NC sues federal government over bathroom law

[brycejones]

You thinking transgendered people as not having issues and being normal says so much about you.

You didn't say issues you said "disturbed"......

 

[brycejones]

First of all, I didn't say that. Secondly, I'm not society. Thirdly, assuming all suicides by trans people are solely because of people shunning them is unjustified.
It is immoral to blame me for the deaths of people without justification.

A sane person doesn't kill themselves because of how I feel about their lifestyle. Something is wrong if I have that power over them.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

 

[buckshot24]

You didn't say issues you said "disturbed"......

He didn't say trans either.

 

[fskimospy]

First of all, I didn't say that. Secondly, I'm not society. Thirdly, assuming all suicides by trans people are solely because of people shunning them is unjustified.

You did in fact say that, you are a part of society, and no one claimed that suicides were driven solely due to society. Everything you wrote there is false.

It is immoral to blame me for the deaths of people without justification.

A sane person doesn't kill themselves because of how I feel about their lifestyle. Something is wrong if I have that power over them.

You're compounding your previous immorality by lying about the arguments people have made. You should try to be more truthful in the future.

 

[Enigmoid]

Don't you get it? It isn't about trans people peeing. It is about the "solution" being dangerous and stupid.

This issue was created by liberal do gooders passing an idiotic law in Charlotte that allowed men into women's restrooms. Doesn't matter if they are trans or not.

This seems to be the crux of what Buckshot is saying.

The solution to the issue of transgender people using the bathroom of their choice creates a moral issue. Specifically - there is no way to really enforce the transgenders only part of the law. The problem according to buckshot is that the law in its current form is that someone can use the bathroom they identify with.

How then, do you distinguish between an actual transgender person and a pervert who puts on a dress in order to sneak into the woman's bathroom and peep?

The answer is that you really can't. (Furthermore all attempts to do so occur after some kind of perverted event).

(Sure they are going to be peeping and performing other actions that may give them away and people may complain. But if its a single woman in the washroom, which is how perverts tend to strike, any accusations become a she said/"she" said argument. The pervert can claim that the other woman is discriminating against them).

And now you have made it very difficult to actually do anything about the pervert. You cannot simply throw him out (he claims he is a transgender and at first glance this is not possible to refute, requiring a background check etc.) - you have to prove that they are not a transgender person.

Is this therefore the best solution to the problem?

I believe Buckshot's argument primarily proceeded along these grounds. He is arguing other things I do not agree with, in this thread and other threads. I do not agree with his character. But it appears the majority of this forum is simply looking at the poster and attacking ("it must be stupid because he said it").

 

[buckshot24]

You're compounding your previous immorality by lying about the arguments people have made. You should try to be more truthful in the future.

I don't care what a man who thinks he is nothing more than a meat machine thinks is moral.

 

[pcgeek11]

You didn't say issues you said "disturbed"......

OK, disturbed... What ever.

A man that thinks he is a woman is disturbed and is not a normal condition.

 

[Subyman]

No I don't! Quit assuming things.
Instead of thought police lets worry about what people do. I don't shun them, I don't tell them they are evil or stupid, I don't deny them any service, I will fight for them if they are abused physically or verbally, I don't hate them or dislike them. I don't tell them ANY of those things. You assuming I do and that I am a cause of their suicide is immoral and disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

You are so scattered. You are trying extremely hard to shirk your effect on others.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't care what a man who thinks he is nothing more than a meat machine thinks is moral.

Clearly you don't care about morality much at all, as evidenced by your actions. You're just not a very honest person and I think in your heart you know that.

Funny how the godless atheists on here need to give you tips on being a more moral person, huh.

 

[buckshot24]

You are so scattered. You are trying extremely hard to shirk your effect on others.

Don't put your baggage on me.

 

[Subyman]

Don't put your baggage on me.

Now you are just saying random things.

 

[buckshot24]

Clearly you don't care about morality much at all, as evidenced by your actions. You're just not a very honest person and I think in your heart you know that.

Funny how the godless atheists on here need to give you tips on being a more moral person, huh.

I don't care what you think is moral. Get it correct.

 

[buckshot24]

Now you are just saying random things.

I don't do any of the things you said have a cause on people and it is still my fault?

 

[fskimospy]

This seems to be the crux of what Buckshot is saying.

The solution to the issue of transgender people using the bathroom of their choice creates a moral issue. Specifically - there is no way to really enforce the transgenders only part of the law. The problem according to buckshot is that the law in its current form is that someone can use the bathroom they identify with.

How then, do you distinguish between an actual transgender person and a pervert who puts on a dress in order to sneak into the woman's bathroom and peep?

The answer is that you really can't. (Furthermore all attempts to do so occur after some kind of perverted event).

(Sure they are going to be peeping and performing other actions that may give them away and people may complain. But if its a single woman in the washroom, which is how perverts tend to strike, any accusations become a she said/"she" said argument. The pervert can claim that the other woman is discriminating against them).

And now you have made it very difficult to actually do anything about the pervert. You cannot simply throw him out (he claims he is a transgender and at first glance this is not possible to refute, requiring a background check etc.) - you have to prove that they are not a transgender person.

Is this therefore the best solution to the problem?

I believe Buckshot's argument primarily proceeded along these grounds. He is arguing other things I do not agree with, in this thread and other threads. I do not agree with his character. But it appears the majority of this forum is simply looking at the poster and attacking ("it must be stupid because he said it").

Harassing people in bathrooms is already illegal though and you can absolutely throw someone out of the bathroom if they are lurking in there, regardless of gender.

You know what? If we are suddenly faced with a wave of bathroom sex offenders because we decided to let trans people be themselves I would love to revisit these laws. I personally find that to be highly unlikely though.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't care what you think is moral. Get it correct.

I'm sure you don't! What I was saying is that from your actions you don't appear to care about anyone else's concept of morality either. Hence all the lying.

 

[buckshot24]

I'm sure you don't! What I was saying is that from your actions you don't appear to care about anyone else's concept of morality either. Hence all the lying.

I don't care about a meat machine's concept of morality and I haven't lied.

 

[Subyman]

I don't do any of the things you said have a cause on people and it is still my fault?

You stepped into this yourself by saying suicide rates are evidence that trans people are flawed or not right when, in fact, it is society that oppresses and alienates trans people which in turn causes them to hate themselves and commit suicide.

Society is wrong here. The affect of society on these people should not be evidence against them that society is right. That is backward and when you completely understand it, quite evil.

 

[buckshot24]

This seems to be the crux of what Buckshot is saying.

The solution to the issue of transgender people using the bathroom of their choice creates a moral issue. Specifically - there is no way to really enforce the transgenders only part of the law. The problem according to buckshot is that the law in its current form is that someone can use the bathroom they identify with.

How then, do you distinguish between an actual transgender person and a pervert who puts on a dress in order to sneak into the woman's bathroom and peep?

The answer is that you really can't. (Furthermore all attempts to do so occur after some kind of perverted event).

(Sure they are going to be peeping and performing other actions that may give them away and people may complain. But if its a single woman in the washroom, which is how perverts tend to strike, any accusations become a she said/"she" said argument. The pervert can claim that the other woman is discriminating against them).

And now you have made it very difficult to actually do anything about the pervert. You cannot simply throw him out (he claims he is a transgender and at first glance this is not possible to refute, requiring a background check etc.) - you have to prove that they are not a transgender person.

Is this therefore the best solution to the problem?

I believe Buckshot's argument primarily proceeded along these grounds. He is arguing other things I do not agree with, in this thread and other threads. I do not agree with his character. But it appears the majority of this forum is simply looking at the poster and attacking ("it must be stupid because he said it").

They don't care, they want to cling to their false impressions about how I feel about trans people. My point is plain and obvious. They need me to hate so in their minds, I hate. They blame me for their suicides when I don't do any of the things that they say would cause them.

 

[brycejones]

I don't care about anyone else's concept of morality only mine is correct.

Ftfy

 

[buckshot24]

You stepped into this yourself by saying suicide rates are evidence that trans people are flawed or not right when, in fact, it is society that oppresses and alienates trans people which in turn causes them to hate themselves and commit suicide.

That is your assumption. Are you suggesting that if there was zero negative reaction from society then trans people would kill themselves at the same rate as the rest of society? Where is your evidence for that? I highly doubt that is the case.

Society is wrong here. The affect of society on these people should not be evidence against them that society is right. That is backward and when you completely understand it, quite evil.

Society isn't correct on a great many things and I'd agree that these people are mistreated more than "normal" folks. I don't condone it, I don't do it. People have their own lives to live.

You are just assuming society is causing them to disproportionately kill themselves without any justification.

Where is your evidence for that?

 

[buckshot24]

Ftfy

A meat machine's is about as valid as his favorite cookie flavor, and more interesting.

 

[fskimospy]

They don't care, they want to cling to their false impressions about how I feel about trans people. My point is plain and obvious. They need me to hate so in their minds, I hate. They blame me for their suicides when I don't do any of the things that they say would cause them.

Did you notice that the person you are quoting basically said you are a person of poor character? Even people trying to defend you think you're a bad person.

 

[Subyman]

That is your assumption. Are you suggesting that if there was zero negative reaction from society then trans people would kill themselves at the same rate as the rest of society? Where is your evidence for that? I highly doubt that is the case.
Society isn't correct on a great many things and I'd agree that these people are mistreated more than "normal" folks. I don't condone it, I don't do it. People have their own lives to live.

You are just assuming society is causing them to disproportionately kill themselves without any justification.

Where is your evidence for that?

Ah, you need scientific evidence to show that bullying or discrimination causes higher suicide risks for the victim?

Okay, actually here is a recent study on the exact issue:

Bauer’s study examines potentially modifiable factors affecting the daily lives of transgender people that may lead to suicidal thoughts and suicide attempts. [...]

These modifiable factors include social support, having identity documents that match expressed gender, protection from transphobia – defined as ranging from verbal harassment to physical and sexual assaults – and medical transition to bring hormones, anatomy or both in alignment with expressed gender.

In approaching the study, Bauer’s hypothesis was that certain environmental factors, societal behaviours and policies had an impact on suicide in transgender people. “We wanted to test whether we could potentially reduce these high levels of suicide risk with increased social inclusion, protection from transphobia or through gender transition,” Bauer said. “People often think that it is being transgender itself that is causing suicidal thoughts or attempts, but it’s not that simple. It’s the social marginalization.”

https://www.schulich.uwo.ca/about/n...by_changing_policy_and_societal_factors_.html

 

[buckshot24]

Ah, you need scientific evidence to show that bullying or discrimination causes higher suicide risks for the victim?

I didn't ask for that. I asked for evidence that society is causing trans people to disproportionately kill themselves vs the general population. I'm not for bullying or discrimination either.

Remember, you specifically accused ME of causing suicides.

 

[Subyman]

I didn't ask for that. I asked for evidence that society is causing trans people to disproportionately kill themselves vs the general population. I'm not for bullying or discrimination either.

Remember, you specifically accused ME of causing suicides.

I gave you the evidence above. Check it out.

Anyone that aligns with the side of society that believe trans people are in some way wrong or support laws that alienate them are part of the problem. So if you believe those thing then you are part of the problem.