NC Repubs implement HUGE gamble called the modified flat tax

[zsdersw]

Guessing the state doesn't miss you.

What a lovely sentiment. In the same vein, I'm guessing Nevada doesn't miss you either.

 

[xBiffx]

Only the ideas you support are good and will work. The ideas of those you typically disagree with are always bad and never work.

Did I say that, nope. But we have already seen the experiment that I described fail. Might as well try a new one.

Eat a dick.

 

[zsdersw]

Did I say that, nope. But we have already seen the experiment that I described fail. Might as well try a new one.

It's not new at all.. and it hasn't worked any better than what you described.

Eat a dick.

I'm not sure why you'd think that would be insulting to a gay man.

 

[HomerJS]

The takeover of North Carolina by Art Pope is nearly complete

 

[xBiffx]

It's not new at all.. and it hasn't worked any better than what you described.

Really? When was the last time NC did it?

 

[zsdersw]

Really? When was the last time NC did it?

Cutting tax revenue and hoping for business growth to fill the gap is not a new thing.

 

[xBiffx]

Cutting tax revenue and hoping for business growth to fill the gap is not a new thing.

It is for this state. Why aren't you willing to see what happens? NC is full are very successful and growing businesses right now. Ever heard or Research Triangle Park? They don't need to hope for much.

 

[zsdersw]

It is for this state. Why aren't you willing to see what happens? NC is full are very successful and growing businesses right now. Ever heard or Research Triangle Park? They don't need to hope for much.

I don't really care, one way or another... I'm just sick and tired of idiots who think either government spending or tax cuts are magic wands that fix problems and make sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows.

As for NC, yeah yeah... other states were "full of very successful and growing businesses" that tried this too... and, to the surprise of no one, it wasn't the silver bullet it was advertised to be.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Between these tax cuts, leaky garbage trucks, and free cake and cookies at the governor's mansion NC is well on its way to becoming an economic powerhouse.

 

[fskimospy]

Between these tax cuts, leaky garbage trucks, and free cake and cookies at the governor's mansion NC is well on its way to becoming an economic powerhouse.

Fixing roads is for communists. In this super scientific ranking, North Carolina was only beaten by Louisiana. Come on, NC, YOU CAN DO IT.

http://www.mainstreet.com/slideshow/lifestyle/travel/worst-roads-us

 

[Lithium381]

I think it's a great idea! Simplifying the tax code while reducing the deductions! I see how it benefits the rich more which still needs some work; but this is a good 'experiment'. I'll need to read more specifics on what exactly it does but This is a good way to see what ideas work and which ones don't. I can't say i see this dooming the state but i really can't say i see it boosting it a whole lot either. Lets see what happens! What's a reasonable time frame? 3 or 4 years to see how well it does?

 

[berzerker60]

Any "business confidence" generated by the "simplified" tax code will be instantly countered by the 20% approval rating for the state house, plummeting support for the Governor, the weekly protests at the capital, and therefore the knowledge that this tax code is going to be changed as soon as the Democrats re-take the state government. That might be a while because of the appalling, undemocratic gerrymandering that's flatly denying the will of the people, but it will happen. No smart businessman is going to move a big corporation there with the almost certain knowledge that the tax code is going to be upended again in the near-ish future.

Also, the evisceration of education there making for ignorant employees, and the shitty infrastructure that's only getting worse.

"North Carolina: Our lowest-paid-in-the-nation teachers lead to docile, hopeless wage slaves for YOU!"

 

[fskimospy]

Any "business confidence" generated by the "simplified" tax code will be instantly countered by the 20% approval rating for the state house, plummeting support for the Governor, the weekly protests at the capital, and therefore the knowledge that this tax code is going to be changed as soon as the Democrats re-take the state government. That might be a while because of the appalling, undemocratic gerrymandering that's flatly denying the will of the people, but it will happen. No smart businessman is going to move a big corporation there with the almost certain knowledge that the tax code is going to be upended again in the near-ish future.

Also, the evisceration of education there making for ignorant employees, and the shitty infrastructure that's only getting worse.

"North Carolina: Our lowest-paid-in-the-nation teachers lead to docile, hopeless wage slaves for YOU!"

Wait, are they basing it on the idea of the confidence fairy making an appearance? I thought her stubborn refusal to show up over the last half decade had consigned her to the dustbin of history?

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Increased business by lowering taxes on the rich increases revenue?! This worked great with Reagen... Oh wait...

I feel sorry for those who actually need most of their money to just live comfortably in NC, but I guess they asked for it by voting against themselves.

 

[xBiffx]

Increased business by lowering taxes on the rich increases revenue?! This worked great with Reagen... Oh wait...

I feel sorry for those who actually need most of their money to just live comfortably in NC, but I guess they asked for it by voting against themselves.

Good thing the House doesn't hold the purse strings and looking at their makeup doesn't counter the point that idiotic graphic was trying to make.

http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.html

Also good thing the national stage != NC. Some things may hold true but each state is unique and comparing them to the nation as a whole isn't very productive.

 

[BlueWolf47]

Flat taxes are regressive which puts a larger tax burden on those with low incomes. No rational modern country would use a flat income tax.

 

[Darwin333]

If you define "liberals" as "those who oppose the NC GOP," then the large majority of North Carolina are liberals. What the state house there has done this past session is truly shameful. The state Democrats got the majority of the votes in the last election, yet only received 4/13 seats because of the disgusting gerrymandering. But ignoring that they explicitly did not have a mandate of any kind, they rammed through the most extreme Tea Party legislation possible. Then had a (literal) dance on the floor after the session ended to celebrate their contempt for democracy.

Huh? They were democratically elected in free and open elections. How is that a "contempt" for democracy? I assume that each of the members got a majority of the votes in their respective elections which means they were duly elected to represent the people of their districts.

I assume you are talking about the majority of statewide votes but I am failing to see the relevance of that number when discussing local elections.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Flat taxes are regressive which puts a larger tax burden on those with low incomes.

 

[berzerker60]

Huh? They were democratically elected in free and open elections. How is that a "contempt" for democracy? I assume that each of the members got a majority of the votes in their respective elections which means they were duly elected to represent the people of their districts.

I assume you are talking about the majority of statewide votes but I am failing to see the relevance of that number when discussing local elections.

The Democrats received 51% of the popular vote, but only got 4/13 seats in the legislature due to truly heinous gerrymandering. The majority of North Carolinians did not want Republican representatives, much less an extremist agenda pushed through by a supermajority. I realize Democrats have gerrymandered too, but it's still an evil practice designed to keep the people's will from being accurately reflected in the legislature. The Governor also flatly lied during his campaign and swore he wouldn't sign legislation like the abortion bill he just signed - there are youtube clips if you think it was in any way ambiguous. Then they took this minority vote and pushed an extremist agenda. It's completely unconscionable.

I expect my Congressmen, both at the state and federal level, to represent not just my interests, but the interests of the Californian/American people as a whole. There isn't even an extreme Left in America anymore, but if there was and they had influence in the Democratic party, and the Democrats won by a small amount (much less lost), I'd expect them to govern in a centrist way, getting to dictate terms of the debate but compromising along the way. But then, I'm old-fashioned enough to consider 'compromise' to be a good thing. If they won a super-majority by a big margin, that would be an endorsement to go further; but not just squeaking by.

Basically, I want the legislature to represent the will of the people. It doing otherwise, and indeed flagrantly rejected the people's will to impose an extremist agenda, means a fundamental failure of the system.

 

[IEC]

Mmmm blind partisans.

Do you care whether the guy raping you has a (D) or an (R) after their name? They're still raping you!

 

[nehalem256]

The Democrats received 51% of the popular vote, but only got 4/13 seats in the legislature due to truly heinous gerrymandering. The majority of North Carolinians did not want Republican representatives, much less an extremist agenda pushed through by a supermajority.

The North Carolina General Assembly is the state legislature of the U.S. state of North Carolina. The General Assembly drafts and legislates the state laws of North Carolina, also known as the General Statutes. The General Assembly is a bicameral legislature, consisting of the North Carolina House of Representatives (formerly the North Carolina House of Commons until 1868) and the North Carolina Senate. The House has 120 members, while the Senate has 50.[1] There are no term limits for either chamber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_General_Assembly

So what happened with the other 156 seats?

 

[buckshot24]

Flat taxes are regressive which puts a larger tax burden on those with low incomes. No rational modern country would use a flat income tax.

Everybody paying an equal percentage is unfair?

 

[xBiffx]

Everybody paying an equal percentage is unfair?

Only makes sense when your premise is taxes have to hurt the rich. Otherwise the unfair argument is silly. The rich still pay more than the poor if the percentages are the same. Does it matter if you make their percentage more? They are rich after all.

 

[buckshot24]

The Democrats received 51% of the popular vote, but only got 4/13 seats in the legislature due to truly heinous gerrymandering. The majority of North Carolinians did not want Republican representatives, much less an extremist agenda pushed through by a supermajority. I realize Democrats have gerrymandered too, but it's still an evil practice designed to keep the people's will from being accurately reflected in the legislature. The Governor also flatly lied during his campaign and swore he wouldn't sign legislation like the abortion bill he just signed - there are youtube clips if you think it was in any way ambiguous. Then they took this minority vote and pushed an extremist agenda. It's completely unconscionable.

I expect my Congressmen, both at the state and federal level, to represent not just my interests, but the interests of the Californian/American people as a whole. There isn't even an extreme Left in America anymore, but if there was and they had influence in the Democratic party, and the Democrats won by a small amount (much less lost), I'd expect them to govern in a centrist way, getting to dictate terms of the debate but compromising along the way. But then, I'm old-fashioned enough to consider 'compromise' to be a good thing. If they won a super-majority by a big margin, that would be an endorsement to go further; but not just squeaking by.

Basically, I want the legislature to represent the will of the people. It doing otherwise, and indeed flagrantly rejected the people's will to impose an extremist agenda, means a fundamental failure of the system.

Those are a lot of words to say.....

.....WAAAAHAHAHA.....

 

[berzerker60]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_General_Assembly

So what happened with the other 156 seats?

Whoops, wasn't paying enough attention as I typed, those are the numbers for the US House of Representatives delegation from North Carolina - a majority of voters going for Democrats led to 4 Dem reps and 9 Republicans. But the same state house set the districts for state elections, which is going to make it extremely difficult for a similar majority vote to return the House to Dem control, assuming that's what the people want.
http://ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/members/memberList.pl?sChamber=House&sSortOrder=district

Those are a lot of words to say.....

.....WAAAAHAHAHA.....

Gee, I'm so sorry for caring about bad governance built on undemocratic grounds in a Politics forum. But then, I guess authoritarians have to be okay with a minority imposing their extremist vision on the people.