Originally posted by: Tobolo
I think we are missing a key point. These people are conducting a criminal investigation. Every single case that they pursue should be thrown out, or if they are convicted, they have an immediate grounds for appeal based upon who conducted the investigation. I can talk to anyone of you and then edit the logs, go to the police, and have you arrested because I can make it say ANYTHING! There is a reason that law enforcement personnel conduct these investigations.
Do I feel that pedophilia is wrong? Your damn right. But what these people are doing is also wrong. You are innocent until proven guilty by an impartial jury. Not innocent until Dateline says your guilty. Not innocent until ATOT says your guilty. By not showing up at the "sting" house he did not commit anything more than a thought crime, which in the instance is subject to mental examination, not jail time. He killed himself directly because of the entrapment of Dateline. If they had not done so then he will still be alive. It is one thing to do research on a news article, its another when you create the news.
The police should be the police. Period. I hope the sister gets every penny she is suing for.
Originally posted by: Tobolo
I think we are missing a key point. These people are conducting a criminal investigation. Every single case that they pursue should be thrown out, or if they are convicted, they have an immediate grounds for appeal based upon who conducted the investigation. I can talk to anyone of you and then edit the logs, go to the police, and have you arrested because I can make it say ANYTHING! There is a reason that law enforcement personnel conduct these investigations.
Do I feel that pedophilia is wrong? Your damn right. But what these people are doing is also wrong. You are innocent until proven guilty by an impartial jury. Not innocent until NBC says your guilty. Not innocent until ATOT says your guilty. By not showing up at the "sting" house he did not commit anything more than a thought crime, which in the instance is subject to mental examination, not jail time. He killed himself directly because of the entrapment of NBC. If they had not done so then he will still be alive. It is one thing to do research on a news article, its another when you create the news.
The police should be the police. Period. I hope the sister gets every penny she is suing for.
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: Tobolo
I think we are missing a key point. These people are conducting a criminal investigation. Every single case that they pursue should be thrown out, or if they are convicted, they have an immediate grounds for appeal based upon who conducted the investigation. I can talk to anyone of you and then edit the logs, go to the police, and have you arrested because I can make it say ANYTHING! There is a reason that law enforcement personnel conduct these investigations.
Do I feel that pedophilia is wrong? Your damn right. But what these people are doing is also wrong. You are innocent until proven guilty by an impartial jury. Not innocent until Dateline says your guilty. Not innocent until ATOT says your guilty. By not showing up at the "sting" house he did not commit anything more than a thought crime, which in the instance is subject to mental examination, not jail time. He killed himself directly because of the entrapment of Dateline. If they had not done so then he will still be alive. It is one thing to do research on a news article, its another when you create the news.
The police should be the police. Period. I hope the sister gets every penny she is suing for.
100% agree. We're so prone to stringing people up by the balls when you throw a buzz word out there like "molester" or "rape" that it blinds people to not let them be proven guilty. Even when they are found innocent they are already branded for life because of it, just like in the Duke LAX team case.
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: Tobolo
I think we are missing a key point. These people are conducting a criminal investigation. Every single case that they pursue should be thrown out, or if they are convicted, they have an immediate grounds for appeal based upon who conducted the investigation. I can talk to anyone of you and then edit the logs, go to the police, and have you arrested because I can make it say ANYTHING! There is a reason that law enforcement personnel conduct these investigations.
Do I feel that pedophilia is wrong? Your damn right. But what these people are doing is also wrong. You are innocent until proven guilty by an impartial jury. Not innocent until Dateline says your guilty. Not innocent until ATOT says your guilty. By not showing up at the "sting" house he did not commit anything more than a thought crime, which in the instance is subject to mental examination, not jail time. He killed himself directly because of the entrapment of Dateline. If they had not done so then he will still be alive. It is one thing to do research on a news article, its another when you create the news.
The police should be the police. Period. I hope the sister gets every penny she is suing for.
100% agree. We're so prone to stringing people up by the balls when you throw a buzz word out there like "molester" or "rape" that it blinds people to not let them be proven guilty. Even when they are found innocent they are already branded for life because of it, just like in the Duke LAX team case.
no comparison to the duke case here. He was soliciting sex from a minor. FACT.
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: Tobolo
I think we are missing a key point. These people are conducting a criminal investigation. Every single case that they pursue should be thrown out, or if they are convicted, they have an immediate grounds for appeal based upon who conducted the investigation. I can talk to anyone of you and then edit the logs, go to the police, and have you arrested because I can make it say ANYTHING! There is a reason that law enforcement personnel conduct these investigations.
Do I feel that pedophilia is wrong? Your damn right. But what these people are doing is also wrong. You are innocent until proven guilty by an impartial jury. Not innocent until Dateline says your guilty. Not innocent until ATOT says your guilty. By not showing up at the "sting" house he did not commit anything more than a thought crime, which in the instance is subject to mental examination, not jail time. He killed himself directly because of the entrapment of Dateline. If they had not done so then he will still be alive. It is one thing to do research on a news article, its another when you create the news.
The police should be the police. Period. I hope the sister gets every penny she is suing for.
100% agree. We're so prone to stringing people up by the balls when you throw a buzz word out there like "molester" or "rape" that it blinds people to not let them be proven guilty. Even when they are found innocent they are already branded for life because of it, just like in the Duke LAX team case.
no comparison to the duke case here. He was soliciting sex from a minor. FACT.
Never said he wasn't. My point was that it's not fair for him to be humiliated in front of an audience of millions of viewers. He needed help. Not humiliation. And sending out the lynch mob is the typical American response that happens way too fast. He clearly had some sense of decency in him to not actually go... he could have been helped and humiliation wasn't necessary.
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: Tobolo
I think we are missing a key point. These people are conducting a criminal investigation. Every single case that they pursue should be thrown out, or if they are convicted, they have an immediate grounds for appeal based upon who conducted the investigation. I can talk to anyone of you and then edit the logs, go to the police, and have you arrested because I can make it say ANYTHING! There is a reason that law enforcement personnel conduct these investigations.
Do I feel that pedophilia is wrong? Your damn right. But what these people are doing is also wrong. You are innocent until proven guilty by an impartial jury. Not innocent until Dateline says your guilty. Not innocent until ATOT says your guilty. By not showing up at the "sting" house he did not commit anything more than a thought crime, which in the instance is subject to mental examination, not jail time. He killed himself directly because of the entrapment of Dateline. If they had not done so then he will still be alive. It is one thing to do research on a news article, its another when you create the news.
The police should be the police. Period. I hope the sister gets every penny she is suing for.
100% agree. We're so prone to stringing people up by the balls when you throw a buzz word out there like "molester" or "rape" that it blinds people to not let them be proven guilty. Even when they are found innocent they are already branded for life because of it, just like in the Duke LAX team case.
no comparison to the duke case here. He was soliciting sex from a minor. FACT.
Originally posted by: Josh
Originally posted by: jandrews
Originally posted by: Josh
I, for one, think the Predator series is great and IT IS putting child molestors/predators behind bars. Come on guys, I don't give a fvck what NBC is saying - we all have seen the show and we know damn well if Chris Hansen & those cameras weren't there those fvcking scumbags would be trying to have sex with that underage child. And, that's good enough for me to see them do some time in prison.
didnt you read the article? They arrest them but none of them have been prosecuted, I cant even imagine being in the court where someone tried to prosecute a case by these means, dateline nbc coerced police to assist them while luring predators...i mean give me a break, if it was a police operation fine but it is dateline nbc.
No, it is actually a child predator team, Dateline just films the crap and talks to the predator and gets him to admit or not admit to everything. the police are watching the whole operation. i mean its possible that a great lawyer will be able to get the predator off the hook but i'm sorry - most judges/juries will look at those tapes and be more than convienced that the subject in question was trying to solicit sex from a minor.
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
LOL!!!! HUMILIATION OH NOOOOOESSSSSS BOOO HOOOO!!!! I'm a molestor don't humiliate me whammmmmbulance. He deserved must worse than public humiliation. Maybe a public stoning should have been in order. I am glad he shot himself though saved the courts and tax payers money.
I don't know where you've been but we don't rehabilitate in this country.
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: Tobolo
I think we are missing a key point. These people are conducting a criminal investigation. Every single case that they pursue should be thrown out, or if they are convicted, they have an immediate grounds for appeal based upon who conducted the investigation. I can talk to anyone of you and then edit the logs, go to the police, and have you arrested because I can make it say ANYTHING! There is a reason that law enforcement personnel conduct these investigations.
Do I feel that pedophilia is wrong? Your damn right. But what these people are doing is also wrong. You are innocent until proven guilty by an impartial jury. Not innocent until Dateline says your guilty. Not innocent until ATOT says your guilty. By not showing up at the "sting" house he did not commit anything more than a thought crime, which in the instance is subject to mental examination, not jail time. He killed himself directly because of the entrapment of Dateline. If they had not done so then he will still be alive. It is one thing to do research on a news article, its another when you create the news.
The police should be the police. Period. I hope the sister gets every penny she is suing for.
100% agree. We're so prone to stringing people up by the balls when you throw a buzz word out there like "molester" or "rape" that it blinds people to not let them be proven guilty. Even when they are found innocent they are already branded for life because of it, just like in the Duke LAX team case.
no comparison to the duke case here. He was soliciting sex from a minor. FACT.
Never said he wasn't. My point was that it's not fair for him to be humiliated in front of an audience of millions of viewers. He needed help. Not humiliation. And sending out the lynch mob is the typical American response that happens way too fast. He clearly had some sense of decency in him to not actually go... he could have been helped and humiliation wasn't necessary.
LOL!!!! HUMILIATION OH NOOOOOESSSSSS BOOO HOOOO!!!! I'm a molestor don't humiliate me whammmmmbulance. He deserved must worse than public humiliation. Maybe a public stoning should have been in order. I am glad he shot himself though saved the courts and tax payers money.
I don't know where you've been but we don't rehabilitate in this country.
Originally posted by: crystal
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: Tobolo
I think we are missing a key point. These people are conducting a criminal investigation. Every single case that they pursue should be thrown out, or if they are convicted, they have an immediate grounds for appeal based upon who conducted the investigation. I can talk to anyone of you and then edit the logs, go to the police, and have you arrested because I can make it say ANYTHING! There is a reason that law enforcement personnel conduct these investigations.
Do I feel that pedophilia is wrong? Your damn right. But what these people are doing is also wrong. You are innocent until proven guilty by an impartial jury. Not innocent until Dateline says your guilty. Not innocent until ATOT says your guilty. By not showing up at the "sting" house he did not commit anything more than a thought crime, which in the instance is subject to mental examination, not jail time. He killed himself directly because of the entrapment of Dateline. If they had not done so then he will still be alive. It is one thing to do research on a news article, its another when you create the news.
The police should be the police. Period. I hope the sister gets every penny she is suing for.
100% agree. We're so prone to stringing people up by the balls when you throw a buzz word out there like "molester" or "rape" that it blinds people to not let them be proven guilty. Even when they are found innocent they are already branded for life because of it, just like in the Duke LAX team case.
no comparison to the duke case here. He was soliciting sex from a minor. FACT.
FACT. He talked with an ADULT.
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: TallBill
Sorry, but the man who killed himself is only guilty of thought crime. He never really did anything wrong. He chatted with an adult, and didn't act on any urges.
so you honestly think that he would not act on his urges if he had the chance??? Hell, he was probably getting all excited thinking he was gonna get some...fvckin makes my stomach turn just thinkin about it...
I for one am glad his sick perverted ass is no longer able to molest any kids in the future...
those dateline people didn't go looking for him...they had an adult pose as a kid and he walked right in...he was the one who chose to commit suicide over his shame...
Originally posted by: Tobolo
I think we are missing a key point. These people are conducting a criminal investigation. Every single case that they pursue should be thrown out, or if they are convicted, they have an immediate grounds for appeal based upon who conducted the investigation. I can talk to anyone of you and then edit the logs, go to the police, and have you arrested because I can make it say ANYTHING! There is a reason that law enforcement personnel conduct these investigations.
Do I feel that pedophilia is wrong? Your damn right. But what these people are doing is also wrong. You are innocent until proven guilty by an impartial jury. Not innocent until NBC says your guilty. Not innocent until ATOT says your guilty. By not showing up at the "sting" house he did not commit anything more than a thought crime, which in the instance is subject to mental examination, not jail time. He killed himself directly because of the entrapment of NBC. If they had not done so then he will still be alive. It is one thing to do research on a news article, its another when you create the news.
The police should be the police. Period. I hope the sister gets every penny she is suing for.
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: Tobolo
I think we are missing a key point. These people are conducting a criminal investigation. Every single case that they pursue should be thrown out, or if they are convicted, they have an immediate grounds for appeal based upon who conducted the investigation. I can talk to anyone of you and then edit the logs, go to the police, and have you arrested because I can make it say ANYTHING! There is a reason that law enforcement personnel conduct these investigations.
Do I feel that pedophilia is wrong? Your damn right. But what these people are doing is also wrong. You are innocent until proven guilty by an impartial jury. Not innocent until Dateline says your guilty. Not innocent until ATOT says your guilty. By not showing up at the "sting" house he did not commit anything more than a thought crime, which in the instance is subject to mental examination, not jail time. He killed himself directly because of the entrapment of Dateline. If they had not done so then he will still be alive. It is one thing to do research on a news article, its another when you create the news.
The police should be the police. Period. I hope the sister gets every penny she is suing for.
100% agree. We're so prone to stringing people up by the balls when you throw a buzz word out there like "molester" or "rape" that it blinds people to not let them be proven guilty. Even when they are found innocent they are already branded for life because of it, just like in the Duke LAX team case.
no comparison to the duke case here. He was soliciting sex from a minor. FACT.
Never said he wasn't. My point was that it's not fair for him to be humiliated in front of an audience of millions of viewers. He needed help. Not humiliation. And sending out the lynch mob is the typical American response that happens way too fast. He clearly had some sense of decency in him to not actually go... he could have been helped and humiliation wasn't necessary.
LOL!!!! HUMILIATION OH NOOOOOESSSSSS BOOO HOOOO!!!! I'm a molestor don't humiliate me whammmmmbulance. He deserved must worse than public humiliation. Maybe a public stoning should have been in order. I am glad he shot himself though saved the courts and tax payers money.
I don't know where you've been but we don't rehabilitate in this country.
I'm sorry that you think you're better than everyone and that you've never f'ed up in your life. Must be great to be so perfect that you don't ever feel guilty about something or need help.
Originally posted by: Tobolo
I think we are missing a key point. These people are conducting a criminal investigation. Every single case that they pursue should be thrown out, or if they are convicted, they have an immediate grounds for appeal based upon who conducted the investigation. I can talk to anyone of you and then edit the logs, go to the police, and have you arrested because I can make it say ANYTHING! There is a reason that law enforcement personnel conduct these investigations.
Do I feel that pedophilia is wrong? Your damn right. But what these people are doing is also wrong. You are innocent until proven guilty by an impartial jury. Not innocent until NBC says your guilty. Not innocent until ATOT says your guilty. By not showing up at the "sting" house he did not commit anything more than a thought crime, which in the instance is subject to mental examination, not jail time. He killed himself directly because of the entrapment of NBC. If they had not done so then he will still be alive. It is one thing to do research on a news article, its another when you create the news.
The police should be the police. Period. I hope the sister gets every penny she is suing for.
Originally posted by: Quasmo
What if you went on a chat room, and started talking to a 13 year old and said that you're 13 as well. If the 13 year old you're talking to is from perverted justice, couldn't you technically get the Perverted Justice entrament person in trouble? It's just 2 adults talking sex pretending to be 13.
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Police work and crime /= entertainment.
Originally posted by: crownjules
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Police work and crime /= entertainment.
You've never watched CSI or Law and Order then.
Originally posted by: Tobolo
I think we are missing a key point. These people are conducting a criminal investigation. Every single case that they pursue should be thrown out, or if they are convicted, they have an immediate grounds for appeal based upon who conducted the investigation. I can talk to anyone of you and then edit the logs, go to the police, and have you arrested because I can make it say ANYTHING! There is a reason that law enforcement personnel conduct these investigations.
Do I feel that pedophilia is wrong? Your damn right. But what these people are doing is also wrong. You are innocent until proven guilty by an impartial jury. Not innocent until NBC says your guilty. Not innocent until ATOT says your guilty. By not showing up at the "sting" house he did not commit anything more than a thought crime, which in the instance is subject to mental examination, not jail time. He killed himself directly because of the entrapment of NBC. If they had not done so then he will still be alive. It is one thing to do research on a news article, its another when you create the news.
The police should be the police. Period. I hope the sister gets every penny she is suing for.
Originally posted by: jtvang125
Hey I hate the media too but I think all this hatred has really clouded a few people's judgement here. As already mentioned the show goes after people who are living in a state where soliciting sex from a minor via the internet is a crime. It doesn't matter whether that person goes to the house or not, what matters is that the moment he tries to solicitate sex with the minor he has already commited the crime.
With all this I still can't see how some of you are still siding with the pedophile and the sister.
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: crownjules
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Police work and crime /= entertainment.
You've never watched CSI or Law and Order then.
so all those shows are real!? hot damn! here i thought they were made up. so that means they can yell "zoom, zoom, zoom, enhance, enhance, enhance" and they can make gake a image in an eyeball into HD? fuck. amazing.