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Starbuck1975 said:
The New Deal was a broad coalition of voting blocks aligned to strengthening the working and middle class, primarily through investment in large scale infrastructure and urban projects. Eisenhower smartly continued those investments despite being a Republican.

Health care reform is arguably an extension of New Deal thinking. LGBT rights while important is more a social issue. Consumer rights and checks against Wall Street, while important, do not create jobs.

Obama is a bit of an anomaly, but the coalition he built aligns most closely to the one FDR built. The blunder Sanders made was to distance himself from Obama and allow Clinton to claim defender of Obama's legacy.
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And your point being what exactly?
 
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Jhhnn said:
My response references observable reality. Repubs have been trying to tear down Hillary for over 20 years with almost every scurrilous accusation imaginable including murder.
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I've not once mentioned Whitewater or Travelgate or Vince Foster or Sniper Fire or the Clinton's marital arrangement or the myriad of other accusations thrown at the Clinton's over the years. I will say that there is a whole lot of smoke surrounding the Clintons for there not to be just a little fire somewhere.

However, since I've isolated this discussion to her email arrangement, let's limit the discussion to the facts of that case. You really can't blame Republicans for an investigation currently being spearheaded by appointees of the Obama administration. Only the Judicial Watch discovery aligns with the Republicans, but then again there would be no discovery if there was no server.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
I've not once mentioned Whitewater or Travelgate or Vince Foster or Sniper Fire or the Clinton's marital arrangement or the myriad of other accusations thrown at the Clinton's over the years. I will say that there is a whole lot of smoke surrounding the Clintons for there not to be just a little fire somewhere.

However, since I've isolated this discussion to her email arrangement, let's limit the discussion to the facts of that case. You really can't blame Republicans for an investigation currently being spearheaded by appointees of the Obama administration. Only the Judicial Watch discovery aligns with the Republicans, but then again there would be no discovery if there was no server.
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I can rightfully blame Repubs for all the usual scurrilous innuendo & accusations surrounding the investigation. I can also mention that the stench from that strongly resembles the stench from all the bullshit they've scandal mongered for years.
 
Zorkorist said:
LOL, I remember her first scandal, the Rose Law Firm.

-John
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Yeah, some basic elements about Hillary have never changed.

Hillary Clinton’s Career at Rose Law Firm a Bellwether for Modern-Day Document Destruction

Federal prosecutors subpoenaed documents surrounding the real estate transaction, but the papers went missing for two years—until January 1996—when Hillary’s aide reported that they had magically appeared in the book room on the third floor of the White House in the Clintons’ personal residence.

With no explanation provided by Hillary regarding the subpoenaed documents, which turned out to have been in her custody the entire time, investigators called in the Federal Bureau of Investigation to “ascertain [Hillary’s] role in their mysterious disappearance.” An FBI fingerprint analysis of the Rose Law Firm billing records revealed there were two significant sets of fingerprints on the missing subpoenaed documents—those of White House Deputy Legal Counsel Vince Foster and Hillary Clinton.
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shady28 said:
Yeah, some basic elements about Hillary have never changed.

Hillary Clinton’s Career at Rose Law Firm a Bellwether for Modern-Day Document Destruction
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Why do you think Bryan Pagliano is scared shitless to testify and is taking the 5th? My guess would be that her people have gotten to him. This is not the behavior of someone with nothing to hide, unless he's covering for her out of fear. There could also be another reason and it might be to keep what he knows off the record and not compromise the FBI's case.
 
compuwiz1 said:
Why do you think Bryan Pagliano is scared shitless to testify and is taking the 5th? My guess would be that her people have gotten to him. This is not the behavior of someone with nothing to hide, unless he's covering for her out of fear. There could also be another reason and it might be to keep what he knows off the record and not compromise the FBI's case.
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He's going to drag it out until Billary is POTUS and she can make it all go away. You don't think the career FBI agents are going to jeopardize what they've been working for all their lives by pushing a case against the head honcho do you? Haha...No...
 
compuwiz1 said:
Why do you think Bryan Pagliano is scared shitless to testify and is taking the 5th? My guess would be that her people have gotten to him. This is not the behavior of someone with nothing to hide, unless he's covering for her out of fear. There could also be another reason and it might be to keep what he knows off the record and not compromise the FBI's case.
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Oh I have no doubt Hillary knowingly and illegally used that email server, is even now obstructing justice, and in her arrogance believes herself to be above the law.

The real question is, is she above the law? Thus far she has shown that she is, because no-one is willing to apply the law to high level politicians who retain significant popular support. She isn't the first to use that, but she has definitely brought the stench of political elitism to new levels.
 
shady28 said:
Oh I have no doubt Hillary knowingly and illegally used that email server, is even now obstructing justice, and in her arrogance believes herself to be above the law.

The real question is, is she above the law? Thus far she has shown that she is, because no-one is willing to apply the law to high level politicians who retain significant popular support. She isn't the first to use that, but she has definitely brought the stench of political elitism to new levels.
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Well, obstruction of justice is a crime. So is witness tampering. She needs to be brought to justice.
 
The main thing we need to do at this point, is to campaign against her.

It should be easy for us to visit 40 house holds per night.

-John
 
Zorkorist said:
The main thing we need to do at this point, is to campaign against her.

It should be easy for us to visit 40 house holds per night.

-John
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Your biggest problem will be finding your way home again... and remembering where you've been. Blackouts are like that.
 
Clinton honorably conceded in 2008 after a hard-fought primary battle between her and then-senator Obama. Does anyone give her a credit for such showing of grace?

I shall wait until the primaries are over before commenting on Sanders.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
I've not once mentioned Whitewater or Travelgate or Vince Foster or Sniper Fire or the Clinton's marital arrangement or the myriad of other accusations thrown at the Clinton's over the years. I will say that there is a whole lot of smoke surrounding the Clintons for there not to be just a little fire somewhere.

However, since I've isolated this discussion to her email arrangement, let's limit the discussion to the facts of that case. You really can't blame Republicans for an investigation currently being spearheaded by appointees of the Obama administration. Only the Judicial Watch discovery aligns with the Republicans, but then again there would be no discovery if there was no server.
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Are you retarded? You do realize that the "email scandal" is directly related to the Benghazi investigation (the eighth such investigation btw) and the committee chairman when asked what the emails have to do with Benghazi he said, "well, probably not much of anything". In fact after finding a potential scandal with the emails gowdy changed the whole Benghazi itinerary, including interviews of those involved with Benghazi, to exclusively focusing on the irrelevant "email scandal".

The judicial watch lawsuit is a completely separate issue regarding how FOIA requests were handled by the state department.

Its pretty clear by now that you are a low information voter who simply parrots right wing talking points and who is incapable of thinking for yourself.



Uh oh, biased source coming up with a direct quote!
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Starbuck1975 said:
Thank you for the link but I've read that article several times. It relies on traditional demographics and trends of Democrat voters and then extrapolates for caucus and closed primary scenarios.
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I don't know about all the results 538 gave there but one set in particular, Washington at +8 Hillary vs Sanders +25, is EXTREMELY suspect. It just makes no sense, those two states have very similar demographics and culture and are neighbors, all very strong indicators of outcome in the primaries. I also don't believe at all that going from an open caucus to open primary would shift the vote by an enormous 56 points.

I'd say that they chucked all the reasonable metrics out the window and simply rated Washington based on the doesn't-count primary which even they admit is not indicative of anything. But even THAT only gave Hillary +6.

Maybe this is the only state they produced a totally inconceivable model outcome for but until I look at it closer (or someone else does) I don't consider it reliable or meaningful.

eskimospy said:
Clinton tried to make similar arguments to what Sanders is making now, yes. The superdelegates went with the person with the most pledged delegates, just like they should. The only reason superdelegates should ever do otherwise is to prevent a Trump like figure from getting the nomination.
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I guess all the people who say things like this lived in an alternate universe where Hillary didn't drop out, endorse Obama, release her pledged delegates, and move to nominate Obama by acclimation. The superdelegates never really went with anyone, she spared them from having to make a real choice - although most of the ones who voiced support for her still voted for her anyway.

lopri said:
Clinton honorably conceded in 2008 after a hard-fought primary battle between her and then-senator Obama. Does anyone give her a credit for such showing of grace?

I shall wait until the primaries are over before commenting on Sanders.
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I give her credit for doing what was obviously the most politically expedient thing to do at the time. If she pushed on any further than she did she would have jeopardized any shot at the 2016 nomination (especially since she would have presumably expected to be going against the VP). Better to abandon a long shot campaign and throw your support behind the presumptive nominee and get a great shot at it next time.. that is, if your biggest interest is becoming president eventually. I don't see anything particularly graceful or selfless about that.

Maybe if Bernie was younger he'd be doing that too. Then again, maybe he wouldn't totally change his tune even if it helped him politically.
 
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ivwshane said:
Are you retarded?
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I am, and I have to wear a helmet when I type on the internet.

You have an unhealthy obsession with Benghazi. That was a witch hunt. I've said as much repeatedly. I am willing to discuss how Obama and Clinton misread the situation in Libya as it evolved, but I never subscribed to the semantics or relevance of the videos that may or may not have triggered the embassy attacks

However the Benghazi witch hunt did expose an uncomfortable truth and that is the existence of a private server. The IG audit and FBI investigation are not republican witch hunts or politically motivated. So now:

Did Clinton violate policy in setting up the server. We now know the answer to that question is yes, although that in an of itself is not criminal, although we do know she inially lied about her rationale and approval to do so.

Did Clinton or her staff mishandle classified information? Doubtful, but I trust the FBI to handle that impartially.

Did Clinton setup her server to avoids FOIA accountability? Probably but intent is difficult to prove, although I am sure Judicial Watch will be conducting interviews and lines of attack for the next 10 years on this topic.

Of course what you fail to address is that of this was easily avoidable. Republicans did not setup up the server.
 
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