NBA: Spurs vs Mavericks -Western Conference Finals

[Dragnov]

Oh geez.

Honestly, what do you want Dirk to do? Stand around bouncing the ball the entire time until SA decides to foul? San Antonio chose to play on. You should be condemning them, not Dirk. When a timeout isn't called, when a fouls isn't made, you know what that means? GAME ON.

I read about how you "lost repsect" for Kobe over one of his comments. I reccomend you take a greater look at such classy individuals as Chris Webber, who took money in his college years at Michigan. Oh right, it's just alleged.

 

[Boogak]

BTW, I don't remember if any of the other Mav fans remember this, but back when we had the 3 J's (Jim Jackson, Jason Kidd, Jamal Mashburn), there was a game where I think Mashburn went down with an injury under the Mavs own hoop. They didn't call a timeout and when the Mavs got the ball back, Kidd tried jumping over Mashburn to make a layup. Now THAT'S a class-less thing to do.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Oh geez.

Honestly, what do you want Dirk to do? Stand around bouncing the ball the entire time until SA decides to call a timeout? San Antonio chose to play on. You should be condemning them, not Dirk.

I read about how you "lost repsect" for Kobe over one of his comments. I reccomend you take a greater look at such classy individuals as Chris Webber, who took money in his college years at Michigan. Oh right, it's just alleged.

grim

spurs couldn't call time out while dallas had the ball. the options for dirk was, call a time out, take an outside shot or drive the basket.

if he calls a time out or takes a bad outside shot he puts his team at a disadvantage. he did the most expedient thing. the thing that would get Rose attention the quickest.


like i've been saying, You really have to condemn the Spurs NOT any Dallas player.

 

[Stojakapimp]

Look, I'm going to put this simply. Yes, Spurs could have called a timout. As Lee pointed out, they didn't really want to foul because that would put them on the line. But when Dirk had the ball downcourt, it was near the beginning of their possession, if I remember correctly, not many other Mavs were even downcourt, and Dirk does probably the most dangerous play you could do. Maybe he could have drove toward the middle or something, or maybe ran an offensive set and actually passed the ball, but no, he drove right at the man. I mean RIGHT AT HIM. it was like a straight B line for him. Again, I understand the Spurs could have done something, but I'm focusing on Dirk right now. I just don't have much respect for the man. He's a dirty player, and what he did today certainly didn't earn any more respect from me

 

[CoBRaXT]

great game - 49 consecutive free throws...WOW :Q

 

[Stojakapimp]

Apart from all this arguing we're doing, I'm sure most of you will agree that this game was soooooooooo painful to watch. Way too many free throws on both sides. I hope the refs let them play next time

 

[Reliant]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Oh geez.

Honestly, what do you want Dirk to do? Stand around bouncing the ball the entire time until SA decides to call a timeout? San Antonio chose to play on. You should be condemning them, not Dirk. When a timeout isn't called, when a fouls isn't made, you know what that means? GAME ON.

I read about how you "lost repsect" for Kobe over one of his comments. I reccomend you take a greater look at such classy individuals as Chris Webber, who took money in his college years at Michigan. Oh right, it's just alleged.

Why bring what he said about Kobe in to this? And who cares about Webber now? Just cause he is a Kings fan doesn't mean you have to try to degrade a Kings player that he may look up to. If what he said about Kobe offended you then you should have said it then.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
Also, for you Spurs Fans, I SERIOUSLY doubt they'll have this good a shooting night again.

I don't think its a stretch to shoot 48-49% against dallas. In fact it will probably get better from here on out.

 

[Passions]

Dirk isn't dirty, he is a pimp.

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: BOBBY RIBS
Dirk isn't dirty, he is a pimp.

No, we're talking about Dirk Nowitski...he plays basketball. He's like 7 feet tall, looks like Satan. You must be confusing him with someone else

 

[ChrisIsBored]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: BOBBY RIBS
Dirk isn't dirty, he is a pimp.

No, we're talking about Dirk Nowitski...he plays basketball. He's like 7 feet tall, looks like Satan. You must be confusing him with someone else

LOL... Dirk Diggler and Nawaitski are two different people

 

[wyvrn]

Dirk a dirty player? Hahahahahahahaha! He is a pretty-boy outside shooter who plays mediocre defense, and a very good one at that. How is he a dirty player? OMG that was a dumb comment!

Stojakapimp, pretty much nobody agrees with you and that includes the game analysts. Give it up man!

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Dirk a dirty player? Hahahahahahahaha! He is a pretty-boy outside shooter who plays mediocre defense, and a very good one at that. How is he a dirty player? OMG that was a dumb comment!

Stojakapimp, pretty much nobody agrees with you and that includes the game analysts. Give it up man!

so sad, so sad

For being a big man, he sure flails around a lot. He seems to have the toughest time just standing up straight and staying on his feet.

You should try watching the games sometimes

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Dirk a dirty player? Hahahahahahahaha! He is a pretty-boy outside shooter who plays mediocre defense, and a very good one at that. How is he a dirty player? OMG that was a dumb comment!

Stojakapimp, pretty much nobody agrees with you and that includes the game analysts. Give it up man!

so sad, so sad

For being a big man, he sure flails around a lot. He seems to have the toughest time just standing up straight and staying on his feet.

You should try watching the games sometimes

OMG, the irony!

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Dirk a dirty player? Hahahahahahahaha! He is a pretty-boy outside shooter who plays mediocre defense, and a very good one at that. How is he a dirty player? OMG that was a dumb comment!

Stojakapimp, pretty much nobody agrees with you and that includes the game analysts. Give it up man!

so sad, so sad

For being a big man, he sure flails around a lot. He seems to have the toughest time just standing up straight and staying on his feet.

You should try watching the games sometimes

OMG, the irony!

I hate to say it, but Vlade has not flopped in quite a while...not nearly as much as Dirk this year

 

[Dragnov]

I hate to say it, but Vlade has not flopped in quite a while...not nearly as much as Dirk this year

Okay. Okay.

Well I haven't watched enough Mavs or Kings games to make an accurate judgement so I'll take your word for it and rescind my statement.

I don't think Dirk purposely flops or fails really though. He just simply looks uncomfortable and out of position. His defense sucks so much, that all his movements just seem so exaggerated IMO.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Dirk a dirty player? Hahahahahahahaha! He is a pretty-boy outside shooter who plays mediocre defense, and a very good one at that. How is he a dirty player? OMG that was a dumb comment!

Stojakapimp, pretty much nobody agrees with you and that includes the game analysts. Give it up man!

so sad, so sad

For being a big man, he sure flails around a lot. He seems to have the toughest time just standing up straight and staying on his feet.

You should try watching the games sometimes

OMG, the irony!

I hate to say it, but Vlade has not flopped in quite a while...not nearly as much as Dirk this year

Dirk did have one good flop today. when they called duncan over the back. hahaha. actually, i think duncan did put his hand in dirks back and push a little, but not enough to deserve the flop. Good acting.

 

[HonkeyDonk]

stojakapimp, you are a friggin' retard.

Think about what you're saying. You think that Dirk chose the most "classless/dirty" option when he drove in like that. I think that's totally wrong.

Think about what would happen if he took a jumper, or a 3pt shot and it didn't go in. Well, now you'll have like 3 or 4 guys jumping up for the rebound WHILE Rose's feet/legs were sticking out under the basket. Which one would you think would be more dangerous? Yeah the jumper would be. You could have 4 guys ladning on his legs/ankles/feet and even more players would be at risk.

What Dirk did was the easiest way to minimize any more damage. He went in and was out in no time. Either the ball would have gone in w/ an easy layup, or he'd get fouled and Rose could be attended to. Either way, it was safer than taking a jumper. And no, calling a TO or runnin' the clock is not a option.

...and FWIW, no one gives a rat's a$$ that you lost respect for Dirk.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: HonkeyDonk
stojakapimp, you are a friggin' retard.

Think about what you're saying. You think that Dirk chose the most "classless/dirty" option when he drove in like that. I think that's totally wrong.

Think about what would happen if he took a jumper, or a 3pt shot and it didn't go in. Well, now you'll have like 3 or 4 guys jumping up for the rebound WHILE Rose's feet/legs were sticking out under the basket. Which one would you think would be more dangerous? Yeah the jumper would be. You could have 4 guys ladning on his legs/ankles/feet and even more players would be at risk.

What Dirk did was the easiest way to minimize any more damage. He went in and was out in no time. Either the ball would have gone in w/ an easy layup, or he'd get fouled and Rose could be attended to. Either way, it was safer than taking a jumper. And no, calling a TO or runnin' the clock is not a option.

...and FWIW, no one gives a rat's a$$ that you lost respect for Dirk.

stojakapimp = OWNED.

 

[Reliant]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

I hate to say it, but Vlade has not flopped in quite a while...not nearly as much as Dirk this year

Okay. Okay.

Well I haven't watched enough Mavs or Kings games to make an accurate judgement so I'll take your word for it and rescind my statement.

I don't think Dirk purposely flops or fails really though. He just simply looks uncomfortable and out of position. His defense sucks so much, that all his movements just seem so exaggerated IMO.

Dirk looks really weird when he is trying to defend. With such long arms it looks like he is flailing his arms too much. I have seen Dirk try to draw calls a lot more than he should, but this usually only happens when he has no chance of covering the man he is on. An example would be a Duncan or last series he did this against Vlade when Vlade posted him up. I think that he tries to make up for his defensive lapses by acting. Sometimes it works and other times it doesn't, you can't really blame him because it isn't just him, a lot of players are opting to do this now. The only time Dirk really irked me was when he flopped while Bibby driving past him. I swear Dirk went down quicker than humanly possible. Even Raef Lafrentz stood in and played physical against Bobby, (broke the cheek bone!) it isn't that hard. Dirk should be a better defender for his size and considering how he moves on the offensive end and he has some massive reach.

 

[Rickten]

Originally posted by: Reliant

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

I hate to say it, but Vlade has not flopped in quite a while...not nearly as much as Dirk this year

Okay. Okay.

Well I haven't watched enough Mavs or Kings games to make an accurate judgement so I'll take your word for it and rescind my statement.

I don't think Dirk purposely flops or fails really though. He just simply looks uncomfortable and out of position. His defense sucks so much, that all his movements just seem so exaggerated IMO.

Dirk looks really weird when he is trying to defend. With such long arms it looks like he is flailing his arms too much. I have seen Dirk try to draw calls a lot more than he should, but this usually only happens when he has no chance of covering the man he is on. An example would be a Duncan or last series he did this against Vlade when Vlade posted him up. I think that he tries to make up for his defensive lapses by acting. Sometimes it works and other times it doesn't, you can't really blame him because it isn't just him, a lot of players are opting to do this now. The only time Dirk really irked me was when he flopped while Bibby driving past him. I swear Dirk went down quicker than humanly possible. Even Raef Lafrentz stood in and played physical against Bobby, (broke the cheek bone!) it isn't that hard. Dirk should be a better defender for his size and considering how he moves on the offensive end and he has some massive reach.

I think dirk does a pretty good job on defense. In my opinion a kings fan should never complain about another team flopping when the flop master himself seems to have no problem helping the kings get those foul calls however he can.

 

[AthlonXP]

kings lost, enough of them! sheesh!

 

[Reliant]

Originally posted by: Rickten

Originally posted by: Reliant

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

I hate to say it, but Vlade has not flopped in quite a while...not nearly as much as Dirk this year

Okay. Okay.

Well I haven't watched enough Mavs or Kings games to make an accurate judgement so I'll take your word for it and rescind my statement.

I don't think Dirk purposely flops or fails really though. He just simply looks uncomfortable and out of position. His defense sucks so much, that all his movements just seem so exaggerated IMO.

Dirk looks really weird when he is trying to defend. With such long arms it looks like he is flailing his arms too much. I have seen Dirk try to draw calls a lot more than he should, but this usually only happens when he has no chance of covering the man he is on. An example would be a Duncan or last series he did this against Vlade when Vlade posted him up. I think that he tries to make up for his defensive lapses by acting. Sometimes it works and other times it doesn't, you can't really blame him because it isn't just him, a lot of players are opting to do this now. The only time Dirk really irked me was when he flopped while Bibby driving past him. I swear Dirk went down quicker than humanly possible. Even Raef Lafrentz stood in and played physical against Bobby, (broke the cheek bone!) it isn't that hard. Dirk should be a better defender for his size and considering how he moves on the offensive end and he has some massive reach.

I think dirk does a pretty good job on defense. In my opinion a kings fan should never complain about another team flopping when the flop master himself seems to have no problem helping the kings get those foul calls however he can.

Dirk doesn't do a good job on defense, flopping aside. He doesn't have lateral movement and he is too soft....he won't give someone a hard foul when they need it and often bails out a person by fouling them when they are driving past him. He is so good on the offensive end, much more than average, that he is a great player. I really didn't complain about Dirk flopping too much, I actually gave the guy credit. I really don't think you have watched too many Kings games so you don't know how much Vlade flops. He hasn't done it much this year but that image stuck with him. Yes, the Kings lost but I wasn't talking about how they lost, I'm fine with the fact they lost. You guys won't read and comment on what I said about his defending, you just want to cause trouble and/or bash the Kings. I commented on Dirks defense to the best of my abilities without a team bias. How would you feel of a person on your team that was 7 feet tall fell over at the slightest touch of a man that was 100lbs less and a foot shorter with little to no contact? That is all I was saying.

 

[Ranger X]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
Look, I'm going to put this simply. Yes, Spurs could have called a timout. As Lee pointed out, they didn't really want to foul because that would put them on the line. But when Dirk had the ball downcourt, it was near the beginning of their possession, if I remember correctly, not many other Mavs were even downcourt, and Dirk does probably the most dangerous play you could do. Maybe he could have drove toward the middle or something, or maybe ran an offensive set and actually passed the ball, but no, he drove right at the man. I mean RIGHT AT HIM. it was like a straight B line for him. Again, I understand the Spurs could have done something, but I'm focusing on Dirk right now. I just don't have much respect for the man. He's a dirty player, and what he did today certainly didn't earn any more respect from me

You're just bitter because the Mavs beat the Kings. Dirk is NOT a dirty player. If the Spurs beat the Kings, would you be all over Duncan for being a dirty player? I watched the end and I didn't see any dirty play by Dirk. If he flopped to give Duncan a 5th foul, then he flopped. That doesn't make him a dirty player.

 

[Reliant]

The only person I might consider dirty in this series would be Willis. I watched a game during the 1st round and he game a blatent elbow the the neck of one of the Suns...I can't remember which, but he was ejected and suspended a game for it. Stuff like that qualifies you for being dirty. I don't think some one flopping is dirty because it is part of the game. There may be players in this series that you do not like due to certain traits but that doesn't make them dirty. I didn't see what happened with Dirk and Rose so I can't form an opinion on that. I think that Dirk shouldn't have had to make that decision because the Spurs should have called a timeout, instead Dirk was forced to make a decesion that may or may not have been the right thing to do. Also, just because some one has an opinion on a player that may be negative it isn't doesn't have to be because their team was beat. I'm sure a lot of people didn't like Shaq before their team lost to him and that was just enforced by losing, but that opinion was still formed before the fact. If some one says they don't like Dirk because they think he is "dirty" or "classless" it doesn't have to be because he was a Kings fan. He never mentioned the Kings before, someone else brought it up.
I'm a fan of bball in general and I watch as many games as possible, not just that of my home team. I think that I, and others, should be able to form an opinion on someone and not immediatly be ridiculed because of it based on our prefered team.