NBA is no more

[Macamus Prime]

i know you're being sarcastic but....
first and foremost, i'm most concerned about local business.
secondly, the non-star players are the ones that will be suffering.
those that don't have alt means of income like endorsements.

Agreed on local businesses. But, those positioned at/near venues and arenas that host other sports should be somewhat OK. Local businesses who rely on the home team specifically (Knick fans who visit a particular bar to watch the games) - yes, they will suffer, but they should be OK; for this season.

For the non-star players - they will indeed suffer.

I have no idea how or what else they could do. Imagine getting into the NBA for the 1st time, going through most of your money to relocate,... then the NBA shuts down, your contract is null/void and you have to figure out what to do with 50 cases of Baccardi and all those women you picked up promising to take them out to some fancy b-baller restaurant.

 

[polarmystery]

i know you're being sarcastic but....
first and foremost, i'm most concerned about local business.
secondly, the non-star players are the ones that will be suffering.
those that don't have alt means of income like endorsements.

When you don't have a plan B, whose fault is it really?

 

[Miramonti]

A pool is needed to pick first locked-out Nba player to tear an ACL in Europe.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

players made 57% of revenue the past 10 years. many owners lost money in that period, want to be back to profitability. offer 50/50 split on revenue, plus system changes to allow for smaller markets to be more competitive.
players rejected deal.

basically, the players are being greedy.

No! It's all of them being greedy, but especially owners of the large market teams. If all the owners shared all the NBA revenue evenly, there would be no problem, and frankly they should because they all rely on each other. The owners need to share evenly in tickets, concessions, merchandise, and anything else that get's sold in an NBA arena, and share in stadium construction/renovation costs. The players must give up the idea of guaranteed rookie money, minimum contracts for draft status, 5 year free agency eligibility, and long-term deals. The US government (us) must give up the idea of allowing sports monopolies/trusts to exist.

 

[slayer202]

players made 57% of revenue the past 10 years. many owners lost money in that period, want to be back to profitability. offer 50/50 split on revenue, plus system changes to allow for smaller markets to be more competitive.
players rejected deal.

basically, the players are being greedy.

This is totally wrong, all of it. First, the revenue split is only a split of a designated portion of revenue which the owners dictate. The players were fine coming down to 50/50. The major issue here was restriction on player movement. They knew they couldn't and didn't need every penny, but there were bigger issues at hand

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

When you don't have a plan B, whose fault is it really?

that's why i feel they should've taken the offer. from what i heard/read, it was more than fair... much better than anything else they'd be getting if they held out.

so now they are going to go 1-2 seasons without a paycheck. can a better deal recoup those losses?
i doubt it.

 

[OutHouse]

too bad this cant happen to the NFL.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

This is totally wrong, all of it. First, the revenue split is only a split of a designated portion of revenue which the owners dictate. The players were fine coming down to 50/50. The major issue here was restriction on player movement. They knew they couldn't and didn't need every penny, but there were bigger issues at hand

explain which part of what i said was "totally wrong, all of it".
did you not read the part about system issues?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

too bad this cant happen to the NFL.

explain.

 

[SunnyD]

So if the union decertifies, can't the owners just hire scabs at that point? That might make basketball actually *gasp* INTERESTING for once.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

 

[CRXican]

good

 

[Atomic Playboy]

So if the union decertifies, can't the owners just hire scabs at that point? That might make basketball actually *gasp* INTERESTING for once.

The average person is not going to pay as much for a ticket to see random people from the street as they will to see LeBron James or Dwyane Wade. "You want me to pay $10,000 for courtside tickets to a game that I could watch last week at the park for free? You are out of your god damn mind."

 

[slayer202]

explain which part of what i said was "totally wrong, all of it".
did you not read the part about system issues?

As far as I know, no league tries to control player movement as much as the last owner proposal. The NBA is probably the league where players are most likely to stick with a team, the system was fine. Only recently with Miami's big three did a problem arise.

But you were wrong when you said owners were losing money, that has been debunked. The players aren't being greedy. They are going to hurt a lot with the loss of a season. If it was all about money they would have taken the deal

 

[AstroManLuca]

lol with any luck this will prevent LeBrick from ever winning a ring

 

[slayer202]

lol with any luck this will prevent LeBrick from ever winning a ring

HUGE silver lining :thumbsup: I was worried he might have a shot at winning a shortened season. That would have been horrible

Probably hurts Dallas the most though

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

As far as I know, no league tries to control player movement as much as the last owner proposal. The NBA is probably the league where players are most likely to stick with a team, the system was fine. Only recently with Miami's big three did a problem arise.

But you were wrong when you said owners were losing money, that has been debunked. The players aren't being greedy. They are going to hurt a lot with the loss of a season. If it was all about money they would have taken the deal

perhaps you also missed the melo drama.

show me where it's been debunked. no one knows for certain because the owners haven't opened their books to the public, but even the union itself acknowledges that many owners likely have been losing money.

 

[SunnyD]

The average person is not going to pay as much for a ticket to see random people from the street as they will to see LeBron James or Dwyane Wade. "You want me to pay $10,000 for courtside tickets to a game that I could watch last week at the park for free? You are out of your god damn mind."

Well, as an owner, I'd much rather be selling tickets for $10 a pop, paying "players", let's say $50,000 a year and still raking in money hand over fist.

Besides, watching average joes play would probably be far more entertaining than watching so-called (overpaid) "professionals" play it any day. Hell, I've watched some pickup games at the park that were pretty damn good.

 

[masterxfob]

Also, if the union is decertified, then all contracts are null and void.

if that's true, the players made a horrible decision.

 

[Thump553]

Fine, I could care less.

The only better news would be to lift the antitrust exemption for the present day major sports leagues.

 

[rasczak]

So who wants to start an international league with me?

 

[slayer202]

perhaps you also missed the melo drama.

show me where it's been debunked. no one knows for certain because the owners haven't opened their books to the public, but even the union itself acknowledges that many owners likely have been losing money.

the info is out there, but the general consensus is that the numbers the NBA claims are very misleading. Maybe a few teams are losing money, that's definitely a possibility. But that's just being used as an excuse to make big changes imo. I'm sure a lot of the problems can be blamed on poor ownership.

I must have missed the melo drama because I'm not sure what you're talking about. Melo is a bitch though, if that matters

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Well, as an owner, I'd much rather be selling tickets for $10 a pop, paying "players", let's say $50,000 a year and still raking in money hand over fist.

Besides, watching average joes play would probably be far more entertaining than watching so-called (overpaid) "professionals" play it any day. Hell, I've watched some pickup games at the park that were pretty damn good.

I've been sharpening up my game at the local park. And I'll play for 50k. lol I wish.

Even replacement players would still be pros and 100x better than anything you'd see at the YMCA.

 

[Baked]

I like watching the And 1 tour anyway. Greedy ass motherfuckers.

 

[swanysto]

Anyone who is saying the players are being greedy here should not talk anymore, cause you don't have a clue as to what is going on. Every single analyst has said that the players have been giving in the most, and that the owners are just looking to abuse the players here. There are even owners who are saying it is ridiculous.