NBA is no more

[gorcorps]

the info is out there, but the general consensus is that the numbers the NBA claims are very misleading. Maybe a few teams are losing money, that's definitely a possibility. But that's just being used as an excuse to make big changes imo. I'm sure a lot of the problems can be blamed on poor ownership.

I must have missed the melo drama because I'm not sure what you're talking about. Melo is a bitch though, if that matters

Now I don't really follow basketball at all, however the Melo crap pissed me off. Chauncey got mixed up in that mess and he didn't even want to leave Denver! That's some horse shit... I liked him. Melo could GTFO for all I cared, but Chauncey's shiny dome was like a beacon of 3-point shooting glory that could be seen from the moon.

 

[masterxfob]

Anyone who is saying the players are being greedy here should not talk anymore, cause you don't have a clue as to what is going on. Every single analyst has said that the players have been giving in the most, and that the owners are just looking to abuse the players here. There are even owners who are saying it is ridiculous.

are you referring to the analysts that were all semi-pro or pro athletes at one point?

 

[Genx87]

Damn, I will miss the comedy routine the Timberwolves put several times a week.

Seriously, who cares? NBA has been shit for years. Hope these lock each other out for good. Let another league rise of the ashes.

 

[slayer202]

Now I don't really follow basketball at all, however the Melo crap pissed me off. Chauncey got mixed up in that mess and he didn't even want to leave Denver! That's some horse shit... I liked him. Melo could GTFO for all I cared, but Chauncey's shiny dome was like a beacon of 3-point shooting glory that could be seen from the moon.

Oh, that. That was kinda douche, but douches will be douches. Restricting player movement is not the way to go

 

[PokerGuy]

Yawn. No loss for me, they can go away permanently for all I care. I'll watch college ball, the NBA is worthless.

 

[actuarial]

I don't know if I'd go THAT far, however in the big picture if they were taking all that back, it still seems insignificant when they already had 3 houses, 3 pools, tons of flower gardens and multiple dog bags to begin with.

My stance is this wouldn't pass in any other business. You work for an employeer, you get a pay check. When business takes a dive they decided to make cuts. As an empolyee you have no right to ask to see their books. You can accept it or get a new job.

NBA players cannot just get a new job, as they are not allowed free movement between employers. Take away salary caps, the draft, contract maximums and trades and then you can start comparing it to regular employment.

And technically, you do have the right to ASK you employer to see their books. They also have the right to tell you to pound sand and hire someone else. The difference here is that they need these players to make the money they do.

 

[darkxshade]

The players should join OWS for the lols since they are no longer the 1%.

 

[KeithTalent]

<-- sad panda. Such a great year last year and so much great talent in their prime, it really sucks to miss a whole year which it looks like we will. I just hope this college hoops season lives up to the hype now.

KT

 

[DrunkenSano]

Should just hard cap all players salary at $1 million max, cap how much owners make, move all surplus amount made to the government deficit. If players want to make more money, go get deals with Nike and other companies advertising. Shouldn't pay anyone more than $1 million as a paycheck just for playing ball, gives the wrong message to society.

 

[RPD]

NBA players cannot just get a new job, as they are not allowed free movement between employers. Take away salary caps, the draft, contract maximums and trades and then you can start comparing it to regular employment.

Pretty sure after then contract is up, or they are cut other teams are free to seek their services or can be traded.

And technically, you do have the right to ASK you employer to see their books. They also have the right to tell you to pound sand and hire someone else. The difference here is that they need these players to make the money they do.

Yes, yes, you can ask anything you want, I got it. You knew exactly what I meant. Also, pretty sure any business with employees needs them to make money as much as the NBA does.

 

[zokudu]

I don't know if I'd go THAT far, however in the big picture if they were taking all that back, it still seems insignificant when they already had 3 houses, 3 pools, tons of flower gardens and multiple dog bags to begin with.

My stance is this wouldn't pass in any other business. You work for an employeer, you get a pay check. When business takes a dive they decided to make cuts. As an empolyee you have no right to ask to see their books. You can accept it or get a new job.

Isn't that kind of what they are doing here? Saying forget you guys you really need us and without us your league is nothing. Essentially they're walking.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Should just hard cap all players salary at $1 million max, cap how much owners make, move all surplus amount made to the government deficit. If players want to make more money, go get deals with Nike and other companies advertising. Shouldn't pay anyone more than $1 million as a paycheck just for playing ball, gives the wrong message to society.

that whole post gives the wrong message to society

 

[DrunkenSano]

that whole post gives the wrong message to society

Rather have kids focus on studying stuff that is important in school and for the future of our country than try to win a lottery ticket focusing on playing ball to get into the big show. Then when they don't make it, they end up failing in life without a bright future.

 

[RPD]

Isn't that kind of what they are doing here? Saying forget you guys you really need us and without us your league is nothing. Essentially they're walking.

Eh kinda, usually when you quit your job you don't take your old boss to court.

 

[darkxshade]

Rather have kids focus on studying stuff that is important in school and for the future of our country than try to win a lottery ticket focusing on playing ball to get into the big show. Then when they don't make it, they end up failing in life without a bright future.

The gov't and its politicians are more disorganized and full of fail than any sports league and you want to put all NBA surplus into the deficit? Yea, that'll teach the kids. Lets cap everyones paycheck and let the govt spend it for us.

/P&N

 

[PokerGuy]

The players are quickly going to find out that not getting paid stings, and that they need the league as much as the league needs them.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Rather have kids focus on studying stuff that is important in school and for the future of our country than try to win a lottery ticket focusing on playing ball to get into the big show.

so your (highly unconstitutional) answer is to cap wages and income for a private business, and then hit them with a discriminatory and effectively infinite tax?

i'll point out that these people went to college to train in their profession, whether it's playing a game, management, sales, medicine, engineering, and so forth. the high dollar amounts attached to players is because:
1. they are the core of the business
2. they have short professional lifetimes

Then when they don't make it, they end up failing in life without a bright future.

don't suck at your job, and your future will be brighter.

"i'm not a role model"
-charles barkley

 

[MotionMan]

Damn, I was trying to make mine pretty and you beat me to it. Regardless, this will be bad for the NBA - they were finally recovering from '99. Also, if the union is decertified, then all contracts are null and void. Could make things interesting!

Really? Link?

MotionMan

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Should just hard cap all players salary at $1 million max, cap how much owners make, move all surplus amount made to the government deficit. If players want to make more money, go get deals with Nike and other companies advertising. Shouldn't pay anyone more than $1 million as a paycheck just for playing ball, gives the wrong message to society.

why 1 mill and not 100k? why 100k and not 50k? why should people take anything more than they need to survive? who are you to make any judgement at all on what is reasonable for another man to earn? take your shitty analysis to P&N, comrade.

 

[thegimp03]

Good, I prefer college basketball anyways. Sucks for the small businesses around arenas though. There goes a ton of revenue.

 

[preslove]

players made 57% of revenue the past 10 years. many owners lost money in that period, want to be back to profitability. offer 50/50 split on revenue, plus system changes to allow for smaller markets to be more competitive.
players rejected deal.

basically, the players are being greedy.

Many businesses lose money every year. THE WHOLE POINT of capitalism is to reward good businesses with $ and to allow bad businesses to fail. A shitty team with poor management SHOULD LOSE MONEY.

And just about every team increases in value after purchase. So, even if they lose revenue, the fact that other filthy rich potential owners are willing to buy teams for substantially higher prices than the current owners paid, they can sell the team at a profit. Then, perhaps, better management can actually do better.

Plus, there are a lot of way owners can mask their profits. Often, owners give management positions with high salaries to themselves and their family members.

 

[MotionMan]

A lot of people forget that, for the owners, the NBA is not where they make their living. They made their millions elsewhere and found the NBA as a great place to look important and get some tax write-offs.

Without the NBA, many of the players would be asking, "Would you like fries with that?", especially those who have not been in the league long or did not get big signing bonuses.

Have the owners in any league ever lost one of these standoffs?

MotionMan

 

[dud]

At least for this year.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....ect-offer-disband-union-season-likely-doomed/

NBA players voted to reject the owners' latest offer. They also voted to start the decertification process. A formal decertification vote should occur within 45 days.

The owners will respond by worsening their offer considerably.

At this point, unless one side loses quickly and definitively in court (which won't happen) the '11-'12 season is completely gone with a decent chance that part or all of the '12-'13 season is missed as well.

I'm sorry for those who enjoy watching the game or make their living off the NBA games (concessions, etc.) ... but this is the best news I've heard in a long time. Hopefully this will bring the vast majority of players down to (real) earth.

I hope that (once their money gets low) the NBA players have to go to work like the rest of us. For most of the players (their skill levels are so high) that would involve going to work at one of the local fast food joints.

 

[preslove]

A lot of people forget that, for the owners, the NBA is not where they make their living. They made their millions elsewhere and found the NBA as a great place to look important and get some tax write-offs.

Without the NBA, many of the players would be asking, "Would you like fries with that?", especially those who have not been in the league long or did not get big signing bonuses.

Have the owners in any league ever lost one of these standoffs?

MotionMan

The NBA lost last time, I thought.

The owners all got filthy rich somewhere else, yeah. Purchasing the team is more of a status statement than anything else to them. And even if they have a net loss for a few years, they can almost always sell the team for more than they paid.

 

[a123456]

I don't see this working out, especially for the players who are in a bad position. No idea why they waited this long to go to court.

The owners, for the most part, have other money making ventures to feed the teams. Most sports team are vanity purchases. The players will hurt more with no pay. Outside the top few players who can get by with other income, the majority of the NBA (lower to middle class) will be hard pressed after a couple of months of no pay since most of them don't save all their money.

It may not be fair but in the end, I'm guessing the players will bow down and take the 50/50ish with some more limited movement because they don't have the money to hold out for an extended period of time.