CaptnKirk
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I spent 6 years in Missouri and was appaled by all the slimey stuff that Ashcroft was pulling on everyone who
didn't fall within his narrow-minded party line tactics, he is a dangerous, hateful, and vindictive person.
Most Neo-Conservative Republicans fall into the same grouping - thay make up only 10% of the population,
but with masterful orchestration have taken over half of the seats in Government - for their own agenda.
What you are missing about this newest ploy is that they can just DECLARE them to be an illegal immigrant,
even if they are NOT ! - and there is no right to appeal, just like the 'Illegal Combatants' game.
If you are a citizen and Ashcroft want's, he can declare ANYONE to be "under investigation" for sympathizing
with an illegal combatant, offering comfoft and assisting the enemy, and invoke the Patriot Act to cover his Hitler-esque manouvers.
You have no right to appeal, or even see a lawyer, as you are now a threat to our National Security.
didn't fall within his narrow-minded party line tactics, he is a dangerous, hateful, and vindictive person.
Most Neo-Conservative Republicans fall into the same grouping - thay make up only 10% of the population,
but with masterful orchestration have taken over half of the seats in Government - for their own agenda.
What you are missing about this newest ploy is that they can just DECLARE them to be an illegal immigrant,
even if they are NOT ! - and there is no right to appeal, just like the 'Illegal Combatants' game.
If you are a citizen and Ashcroft want's, he can declare ANYONE to be "under investigation" for sympathizing
with an illegal combatant, offering comfoft and assisting the enemy, and invoke the Patriot Act to cover his Hitler-esque manouvers.
You have no right to appeal, or even see a lawyer, as you are now a threat to our National Security.
Just another piece of the horrible catastrophe that's the Bush Administration and more reason to remember that Bush did not win. All this is happening because we are living under a coup.
will you just shut the fvck up already? bush won, he's the legitimate president, and you're so blinded by your stupid haterd that you have to use this same lameass argument EVERY TIME YOU POST about politics. I'm sorry for the rant, but it's getting really old, really fast.
Look, LeRocks, I don't mind if you're upset. That's fine with me, but please don't say Bush won and is the legitimate President. He isn't and you know it. He lost the Florida election as was proved by an independently certified recount of the entire state vote. The3 people of the United States aren't to blame for this mess. The Supreme Coup should have ordered a total recount. Elections are won by votes of the people not by 5 conservative vs 4 liberal votes on the Supreme Coup. Try to understand that what bothers you about the repetition of my point is its truth. We have a world disaster because the loser won. The path Bush is taking will lead to safety only if we kill most of the people on the planet. Do you like being a monster?
LunarRay
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The only way for this to have gotten to the Supremes was for a federal issue to be raised.. The local circuit (federal) accepted the issue on 14th ammendment violations (alleged). The soveriegn state of Florida (their supreme court) decided in favor of Gore.... So the Federal Circuit Court fast tracked the issue up... I don't think it, The Circuit court, should have even heard the issue... Unless someone here can argue the merits of their action...
with valid legal argument... to the contrary.
More posted bullsh!t without a source. As a matter of fact every single entity that conducted a recount including the Miami Herald, using the most liberal interpretation of an acceptable vote, concluded that Bush won the state.
From the Orlando Sentinel.
Link
When they couldn't make the chads add up they went after Kathryn Harris' hard drives and found nothing..
The election is over. Get over it.
CaptnKirk
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Tiger - Thats's great proof ! When you get to the end of the article there is a 9 senario summary.
Gore takes 5 of them PLUS the State Law Mandated Recount - which is the # 1 rule of law.
Bush takes the other 4, which puts him behind by 1.
The number 2 & 3 senario both involve Supreme Court intervention,
One of the last involves a 'Select' 4-County special sample, (Gore's choice)
& another has Jeb pick his brother. (He would have picked Neil - Mom liked him better)
..........and thats right, when you perform a full format & load a new operating system - there's nothing left.
They ought to chose up sides and 'Nuke it out.
Gore takes 5 of them PLUS the State Law Mandated Recount - which is the # 1 rule of law.
Bush takes the other 4, which puts him behind by 1.
The number 2 & 3 senario both involve Supreme Court intervention,
One of the last involves a 'Select' 4-County special sample, (Gore's choice)
& another has Jeb pick his brother. (He would have picked Neil - Mom liked him better)
..........and thats right, when you perform a full format & load a new operating system - there's nothing left.
They ought to chose up sides and 'Nuke it out.
I'd dare say that there are more illegal Mexicans than legal Mexicans who've joined the army.Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: Leon
Sounds right to me. I don't like Ashcroft and his policies, but I don't see a problem in this case. Perhaps he should add Mexicans to the list as well - but instead of jail, it should say deportation
Hmm...
Did you know the first Americans to die in Iraq were Mexican/Puerto Rican decent. The same people that you want to deport fought this f!ckin war and yet you want to deport them? WTF!! You ungrateful bastard. These people joined the military so they could have a better life but yet you want to start deporting their brothers/sisters, etc...
It looks like your a racist person. You should be ashamed.
In addition... The white America that we know is coming to an end. The white American population is diminishing while other minority cultures are growing at a fast pace. You only need to look at California, New Jersey and Florida.
wow, what a party pooper, couldn't you just conjure up some anti- Bush bias to contribute to this fest?
talk about spinning, you started this thread and other members repeatedly have to correct you on your assumptions and misinterpretation of the facts at hand. I have a great solution that will fit your way of looking at things. We make attempted illegal entry into the United States a guranteed automatic lifetime prision sentence.
Did you feel the same way about the haitin's bill clinton turned back or held?
most you guys talk out of ignorance or having misconception about illegal immigrants as if they're all bad people that tried to harm America, which is not true.
Most illegal immigrant came here because they're attracted to the freedom, wealth and way of life in US, or because they already have family here...
a lot of them entered here probably illegally first, before being legalized later...
what Ashcroft's decision will have effect is with the status of the immigrants and their future. By detaining immigrants without time limit or chance for bonds, it's in effect put a death stamps on their effort to being legalized later. It's also made to stop the stream of immigration from other countries, but with sacrificing the laws & human rights and almost borderline violating the constitution. Ashcroft did mention the detention is due to threat of national security which if the government can show in most cases, then it's the right thing to do and should be done. the problem is most of the time the government can't show any evidence or documents that support their case or unwilling to produce them in the name of national security (kinda ironic isn't it?), so the way to do it before was asking the judge to deny bail, and now ashcroft is even taking that away by making that decision his right instead of the judges' right (that' is why it's agaisnt the law).
His decision probably won't stand the challenge in the supreme court, but that will take time and during that time, a lot of damages probably would have been done.... (in term of denying illegal aliens right to talk to counsel or see their legal family in U.S.)
Most illegal immigrant came here because they're attracted to the freedom, wealth and way of life in US, or because they already have family here...
a lot of them entered here probably illegally first, before being legalized later...
what Ashcroft's decision will have effect is with the status of the immigrants and their future. By detaining immigrants without time limit or chance for bonds, it's in effect put a death stamps on their effort to being legalized later. It's also made to stop the stream of immigration from other countries, but with sacrificing the laws & human rights and almost borderline violating the constitution. Ashcroft did mention the detention is due to threat of national security which if the government can show in most cases, then it's the right thing to do and should be done. the problem is most of the time the government can't show any evidence or documents that support their case or unwilling to produce them in the name of national security (kinda ironic isn't it?), so the way to do it before was asking the judge to deny bail, and now ashcroft is even taking that away by making that decision his right instead of the judges' right (that' is why it's agaisnt the law).
His decision probably won't stand the challenge in the supreme court, but that will take time and during that time, a lot of damages probably would have been done.... (in term of denying illegal aliens right to talk to counsel or see their legal family in U.S.)
I don't like some of Ashcroft's decisions, but you guys are missing the point. This thread talks about immigrants, which is not what the quoted news article said at all. It was talking about illegal aliens. Not even all illegal aliens, just the ones that present national security concerns. And it does not say that they can be held indefinetly, just that they won't be released on bond while their case is being decided. Personally, for potential terrorists that seems more than reasonable. But, go ahead and blab about Ashcroft trying to keep the white race pure if it makes you feel smarter.
The objectionable thing is that whether an illegal alien "presents a national security concern" or not is the decision of Ashcroft, as the INS is a branch of the Justice Dept., of which he is the chief officer. Not to mention that many prisoners are currently being held without charge, without being allowed to speak with their family or lawyers for indefinite periods as "material witnesses."
That poses a pretty dire situation considering this new order has allowed Ashcroft to do this to an even wider base of aliens.
That poses a pretty dire situation considering this new order has allowed Ashcroft to do this to an even wider base of aliens.
Is this really something new?
- "We can't win," said David Venturella, INS assistant commissioner for detention and removal. "If we try to remove people and we detain who we think are serious criminals, we get banged over the head for that. Then when we release someone and they end up committing a crime, we get banged over the head for that. It's very frustrating."
Some of the prisoners face ostensible life sentences because the United States won't release them, and their homelands won't accept them. Resolving their status is further complicated by strained or nonexistent diplomatic relations with the countries involved.
Published Monday, December 13, 1999
Red Dawn
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Immediate expulsion from US territories. Forget detaining them for extended periods of times which cost the taxpayers money. Load them on a Slow Boat to China, put them on a Bus back to Mexico, let them swim back to Haiti. Toss Herr Ashcroft in with one of those groups for good measure.
I'm not ignorant nor do I have any misconceptions about illegal immigrants.
They are by definition here illegally. Does that mean anything to you?
There is a process for legal immigration. Wading across a river in the middle of the night or stowing away on a cargo ship ain't it.
Red Dawn is right. If they're here illegally they should be deported back to the country of origin immediately. Every other country on the planet does it that way, why can't we?
Ashcroft's da bomb. Illegal aliens are here to stay..get over it. Illegal aliens who wanna mess wif us can stay in jail til hell freezes over...
I am really curious as to why there hasn't been a response to this post. Could it be that there was no independent recount of the votes which found that Gore won? Hmmm, maybe.
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