Nothing wrong with this plan.... Soft borders suck...
konichiwa you are way off base justifying cheap labor as a proper trade-off for citizenship... There are REAL reasons we have immigration laws... How about protecting the current jobs legal AMERICANS also have from downwages and lay-offs? And what of the tax dollars that go toward health care and education (not to mention most likely jail accomodations) for most these immigrants and their children? I swear, if you would stop throwing a tantrum and step back an even greater distance, you'd see your argument has a big negative side-affect as well.
I hate freeloaders even more than I hate taxes, so do what you want with them. Someone needs to stand up, say HELL NO to illegal immigrants, then back it up with substance. God forbid we hear a liberal outcry since we're cutting into their voter pool.
konichiwa you are way off base justifying cheap labor as a proper trade-off for citizenship... There are REAL reasons we have immigration laws... How about protecting the current jobs legal AMERICANS also have from downwages and lay-offs? And what of the tax dollars that go toward health care and education (not to mention most likely jail accomodations) for most these immigrants and their children? I swear, if you would stop throwing a tantrum and step back an even greater distance, you'd see your argument has a big negative side-affect as well.
I hate freeloaders even more than I hate taxes, so do what you want with them. Someone needs to stand up, say HELL NO to illegal immigrants, then back it up with substance. God forbid we hear a liberal outcry since we're cutting into their voter pool.
Thanks for the personal attack, once again you show your true intelligence. I look forward to you washing my car in a few years you ignorant $hit.
"....Is that not biast?"
You can edit your topic title from "Nazi Fvck Ashcroft..." or be referred to as Dumb Fvck LilBlinbBlahIce, your choice. BTW, if you can't spell any better than that, I suspect you're the one who will be washing cars, sport.
You can edit your topic title from "Nazi Fvck Ashcroft..." or be referred to as Dumb Fvck LilBlinbBlahIce, your choice. BTW, if you can't spell any better than that, I suspect you're the one who will be washing cars, sport.
Although your posts lack any real style, substance or even a modicum of intelligence I would have never guessed that you weren't smart enough to wash your own car.
Evidently I was wrong.
Better be careful calling people racists. That usually gets you a vacation around here.
So let me know if I've got this straight. The US is the only country on the planet without the right to control its borders or immigration?
And yes, for a foreign national to serve in our military they have to be able to prove they are here legally.
Anyone here illegally should be deported immediately. No questions asked, no 1 year apeals ala John Lee Malvo.
I don't see the problem with this if the government is required to show substantial cause for the illegal immigrant not to be released on bond. In other words, the feds must show that an individual illegal immigrant poses a concern for national security.
Two things do bother me though, how broadly will "national security concerns" be applied, and what will be the maximum amount of time before these cases are to appear and be ruled on by an immigration judge.
But overall I do not have a problem. These people are in the country illegally, no one is able to immediately determine their background, and to release them on a few hundred dollars bond is kind of reckless considering that they could be in the country for any reason.
Two things do bother me though, how broadly will "national security concerns" be applied, and what will be the maximum amount of time before these cases are to appear and be ruled on by an immigration judge.
But overall I do not have a problem. These people are in the country illegally, no one is able to immediately determine their background, and to release them on a few hundred dollars bond is kind of reckless considering that they could be in the country for any reason.
Why is it people assume the same rights guaranteed to citizens by our constitution automatically translate to illegal aliens?
They, the rights, shouldn't.
They, the rights, shouldn't.
You should read the Constitution, because it is very clear when "people" are referred to, and when "Citizens" are. The Bill of Rights refers to "people", so anyone in the U.S. should be afforded its protection.
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict "We the people" wasn't written to grandfather-in Haitian immigrants who don't have a legal right to vote or participate in our society.
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Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: Leon
Sounds right to me. I don't like Ashcroft and his policies, but I don't see a problem in this case. Perhaps he should add Mexicans to the list as well - but instead of jail, it should say deportation
Hmm...
Did you know the first Americans to die in Iraq were Mexican/Puerto Rican decent. The same people that you want to deport fought this f!ckin war and yet you want to deport them? WTF!! You ungrateful bastard. These people joined the military so they could have a better life but yet you want to start deporting their brothers/sisters, etc...
It looks like your a racist person. You should be ashamed.
In addition... The white America that we know is coming to an end. The white American population is diminishing while other minority cultures are growing at a fast pace. You only need to look at California, New Jersey and Florida.
Those mexican/Puerto Rican decent came in here legally. And besides, Puerto Rico is a quasi-state, unlike Haiti.
Hey mods, what about the name-calling and civility rule?
Illegal immigrants are illegal. If you feel they should be supported and protected, fine, but change the law so that they aren't illegal. At some point you have to define the boundries. You can argue that we should open our borders up, or close them more, but until then you will never get around the FACT that illegal immigrants ARE illegally in this country.
I have read the constitution and it's far from clear.
You assume that the word "people" means anyone inside the borders of the US.
If it does then why have any of the immigration and naturalization laws withstood judicial review?
Why require passports or proof of eligibilty to vote?
The founders obviously meant for the word "people" to represent the citizens of the US in the plural sense.
Come on, according to these guys unless you are a citizen you have no rights, basically you're not human. I am glad we are dealing with the extremes here as most people would agree that these laws being passed are ridiculous. John Lee Malvo is an exception, not the rule, American citizens are responsible for a lot more death in this country than terrorists from other countries. I don't beleive that we should support illegal immigrants, that if they come here they should take care of themselves in terms of employment, healthcare etc. But to say they are not afforded any rights such as that to a trial or imprisonment without charge, especially indefinatly, just shows people's xenophobic tendencies. Funny how we can be so compassionate in terms of going all the way to Iraq to "liberate" them from tyranny and give them the gift of democracy, when we can't give certain individuals even basic rights in this country. But then again, African American's were given the same rights as "citizens" less than 50 years ago. What monumental hypocracy.
Oh I'm sorry, am I hurting your sense of national pride? Are you loosing sleep over the fact that I'm treating an elected official with such disrespect? Such a righteous man, how could I? Tough. Don't like the title don't participate in the thread, or deal with it. And you can keep referring to me as you please, you'll eventually get a little message from a mod. I could care less.
I gotta say, you actually made a well-thought out argument and I found myself partially agreeing with you. They don't deserve anymore slack than to be treated human. Jailing them indefinitely without fair trial actually places more burden on us since we have to dish money to keep them locked up. It isn't practical to flood our already crowded prisons with more idiots... But there needs to be a hard-line precedent that will deter illegal immigrants. Every day, our border patrol stops trucks and arrests illegal immigrants. Two hours later they're driven back to the border and tossed across. Every day, our coast guard does the same thing with incoming boats. The zealots determined to get in will just keep trying and trying at no real risk of penalty other than their time. Why waste time filling out a green card when you aren't even literate and you can just do what everyone else does by sneaking in without any repercussions... ? Once the wake up call is made and the flow is reduced, this becomes a non-issue again.
That's not true and I'd appreciate you not putting words in my mouth.
Of course everyone has basic human rights but that's not what were talking about.
How many illegal aliens in this country have been denied basic human rights? Being arrested or detained because your here illegally is not a violation of basic human rights.
Again, Is the US the only country on the planet without the legal right to regulate it's borders or control immigration?
Yeah, but you might bitch if they threw you in jail and didn't tell you why. You might not be such a tough guy after sitting in a room for a year or so without being to call anyone for legal assistance and not knowing if you'll ever be free. Anyone who supports this is just lucky enough to have been born in the US. Do you know why a lot of these peeople immigrate illegally? It's because, depending on the country, it can take something like 10 years to get a visa. If they get caught and have been committing crimes or are being a drain on public resources,deporth their ass, I fully support that. If a man is working an honest job to put food on his families table, is taking care of all his own financial obligations, give him legal status, he's just trying to realize the American dream. I cannot understand what goes through the minds of people who support the likes of Ashcroft, it really is scary.
How many illegals from countries not on the list of those who harbor and fund terrorists have been detained without charge?
How many detained illegals have no clue why they were arrested? If you are here illegally you are subject to arrest at any time.
If you are here illegally and from a country known to harbor and fund terrorists you are subject to arrest as an enemy combatant.
Remember, there is a war on.
How many detained illegals have no clue why they were arrested? If you are here illegally you are subject to arrest at any time.
If you are here illegally and from a country known to harbor and fund terrorists you are subject to arrest as an enemy combatant.
Remember, there is a war on.
I didn't suggest that cheap labor justifies illegal immigrancy, only that the "solution" proposed to kick them all out in one fell swoop would throw our agricultural system out the wnidow.
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