Nazi Fvck Ashcroft Rules on Immigrants' Detention

[AntaresVI]

I envision a true multicultural America. An America were racisim is non-existent. I guess we shouldn't throw our borders wide open, but we should except the fact that people will allways attempt to come to America to pursue a better life. If I was in their shoes I would do the same thing.

I just liked that & felt it deserved a repeat. As long as the people you mention respect the laws.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: tec699
etech..

What I don't like is that if these illegal immigrants were coming from Europs no one would say anything. But since were talking about Mexicans, Haitains and other minorities then most people want to start the deportation process immediately.

I envision a true multicultural America. An America were racisim is non-existent. I guess we shouldn't throw our borders wide open, but we should except the fact that people will allways attempt to come to America to pursue a better life. If I was in their shoes I would do the same thing.

I would say that you are wrong. An illegal immigrant is illegal and it does not matter where they are from.

If you can show some definite bias in the way that illegal immigrants are treated than you may have some reason for your opinion. I don't think you will find it.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Corn

He wants to keep america white and is using terror as an excuse. IMO

Same with Daschle (amongst other liberal elites) as evidenced by his desire to keep the wealth in the hands of whitie by fighting to perpetuate the poverty of minorities by enslaving them to the welfare state.

Bahahaha. Sounds like page 32 of "Learn to Speak in Rhetoric, From the Masters: Stalin and Hitler"

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: tec699
etech..

What I don't like is that if these illegal immigrants were coming from Europs no one would say anything. But since were talking about Mexicans, Haitains and other minorities then most people want to start the deportation process immediately.

I envision a true multicultural America. An America were racisim is non-existent. I guess we shouldn't throw our borders wide open, but we should except the fact that people will allways attempt to come to America to pursue a better life. If I was in their shoes I would do the same thing.

I would say that you are wrong. An illegal immigrant is illegal and it does not matter where they are from.

If you can show some definite bias in the way that illegal immigrants are treated than you may have some reason for your opinion. I don't think you will find it.

I think you can just look at what goes on at our border with Canada as opposed to our border with Mexico and find all the bias you want.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: Ornery
"We will never be free of that danger, no matter what the government does. See the powerplay here now? "

There were, or eve are, some people on YOUR side of the isle who say Bush ALLOWED the planes to crash into the WTC! Honest to freakin' Christ, how are you supposed to make those people happy? We've thwarted many attacks and captured or killed a fair number of terrorist leaders. This crisis will subside in time. maybe you want to let our guard down, but I'm VERY happy our current administration DOESN'T!

Wrong...do you think invading more countries and changing as many regimes as we can is making people around the world happy? As much as you'd like to think so, we cannot stop terrorism with military might or closed borders. To quote one of my favorite irreverent comedians, John Stewart:

"We may or may not be able to kill Saddam Heussein, but what we need to do is kill the idea of Saddam so that his people will be liberated. So what we should do is build bombs that can kill ideas."

See the point?

NOTHING I said in that post was wrong. How many countries had the US invaded or changed regimes before 9-11?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: tec699
dahunan..

I'm sorry that I called you a racist. I got a little carried away I guess.

Again I'm sorry.

Apology accpeted... and appreciated..... Anand has no idea what they did when they opened this Politics forum.... I think politics/social laws are the hardest subjects on earth to talk about.


Thank you for understanding my feelings about this issue. I am far from racist.. a bit ignorant, but far from being a racist.

 

[AntaresVI]

I think politics/social laws are the hardest subjects on earth to talk about.

Those and religion :frown:

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: tec699
dahunan..

I'm sorry that I called you a racist. I got a little carried away I guess.

Again I'm sorry.

Apology accpeted... and appreciated..... Anand has no idea what they did when they opened this Politics forum.... I think politics/social laws are the hardest subjects on earth to talk about.


Thank you for understanding my feelings about this issue. I am far from racist.. a bit ignorant, but far from being a racist.

Wait 'till they open the Religion forum.

 

[Ornery]

"There is no 'crisis,' there is a threat. It was here before 9/11, and it will be here long after. And the administration can do things to keep it's guard up, curb the threats, and protect the country that fall fully within the guidelines of the constitution. But if they instead choose to do it by chipping away at the very liberties that have made this country great, then they are giving the terrorists exactly what they want."

Let's see, whose plan should I back regarding protection from our our current "threat", the current administration (with a not too shabby track record) or Gonad the Barbarian? Decisions, decisions...

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: tec699
etech..

What I don't like is that if these illegal immigrants were coming from Europs no one would say anything. But since were talking about Mexicans, Haitains and other minorities then most people want to start the deportation process immediately.

I envision a true multicultural America. An America were racisim is non-existent. I guess we shouldn't throw our borders wide open, but we should except the fact that people will allways attempt to come to America to pursue a better life. If I was in their shoes I would do the same thing.

I would say that you are wrong. An illegal immigrant is illegal and it does not matter where they are from.

If you can show some definite bias in the way that illegal immigrants are treated than you may have some reason for your opinion. I don't think you will find it.

I think you can just look at what goes on at our border with Canada as opposed to our border with Mexico and find all the bias you want.

Try looking at the numbers first. How many people use the Canadian border to illegaly move into the US vs. the Mexican border? Where do you want your tax dollars to go? Where the problem is the greatest or the smallest.

Try again to prove a bias based solely on race.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"There is no 'crisis,' there is a threat. It was here before 9/11, and it will be here long after. And the administration can do things to keep it's guard up, curb the threats, and protect the country that fall fully within the guidelines of the constitution. But if they instead choose to do it by chipping away at the very liberties that have made this country great, then they are giving the terrorists exactly what they want."

Let's see, whose plan should I back regarding protection from our our current "threat", the current administration (with a not too shabby track record) or Gonad the Barbarian? Decisions, decisions...

Well I have the constitution on my side so if you really are as patriotic as I think you want to be then it shouldn't be a tough one.

 

[Corn]

Good to see we can have some fun here

Of course, the topic of racism is always good for a laugh, ain't it? :disgust:

Bahahaha. Sounds like page 32 of "Learn to Speak in Rhetoric, From the Masters: Stalin and Hitler"

Awww, ain't that cute, a wounded liberal feeling the sting of truth falls back on the same tired rhetoric of using Hitler and Stalin in whining about someone else's supposed rhetoric. Not too original, but consistancy is not without its merit........

 

[konichiwa]

Are you really going to tell me that "evidenced by his desire to keep the wealth in the hands of whitie by fighting to perpetuate the poverty of minorities by enslaving them to the welfare state" isn't the most prosthelytizing and grandiloquent crap in this thread?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: tec699
dahunan..

I'm sorry that I called you a racist. I got a little carried away I guess.

Again I'm sorry.

Apology accpeted... and appreciated..... Anand has no idea what they did when they opened this Politics forum.... I think politics/social laws are the hardest subjects on earth to talk about.


Thank you for understanding my feelings about this issue. I am far from racist.. a bit ignorant, but far from being a racist.

Wait 'till they open the Religion forum.

If I remember correctly the Off-Topic forum was orginally created to produce a place for religious debates. Well, that wasn't the only reason but it certainly was one of the major ones. Then the pimply faced, no girl friend nefs took over and destroyed what was a useful place for information, debate and discussion. Hopefully the nefs won't come into this forum or if they do the administration will actually do something about them now.

What was off-topic called before it got that name? My mind is feeling old and tired tonight.

 

[Corn]

Are you really going to tell me that "evidenced by his desire to keep the wealth in the hands of whitie by fighting to perpetuate the poverty of minorities by enslaving them to the welfare state" isn't the most prosthelytizing and grandiloquent crap in this thread?

Oh, I dunno, personally I believe it runs a close 3rd, behind these gems:

He wants to keep america white and is using terror as an excuse. IMO

....and....

Sounds like page 32 of "Learn to Speak in Rhetoric, From the Masters: Stalin and Hitler"

Oh, I get it, it's only "rhetoric" if it comes from the mouth (or keyboard) of a conservative......

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: Corn

He wants to keep america white and is using terror as an excuse. IMO

Same with Daschle (amongst other liberal elites) as evidenced by his desire to keep the wealth in the hands of whitie by fighting to perpetuate the poverty of minorities by enslaving them to the welfare state.

Of course all Republicans are racist and despise illegal immigrants. Just ask President George H.W. Bush who instituted an amnesty for illegal immigrants so they could become citizens back during his term in office.

Oh, wait, there must have been some other even more insidious racist plot there. Just need to give it more thought...

 

[EXman]

I can feel the LOVE in this thread!

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: dahunan
All in Favor of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS say "aye"




All who believe WE HAVE ENOUGH GOD DAMNED TROUBLE IN THIS COUNTRY ALREADY AND THINK EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE ILLEGALLY NEEDS TO BE SENT HOME IMMEDIATELY .... SAY "aye"

I am not in favor of illegal immigrants being in the U.S. but sending them home immediately is not what Ashcroft's decision is about. It's about imprisoning them indefinitely (i.e. at the discretion of the AG, with no due process, and for the rest of their lives if he so decides).

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: Corn

He wants to keep america white and is using terror as an excuse. IMO

Same with Daschle (amongst other liberal elites) as evidenced by his desire to keep the wealth in the hands of whitie by fighting to perpetuate the poverty of minorities by enslaving them to the welfare state.

Bahahaha. Sounds like page 32 of "Learn to Speak in Rhetoric, From the Masters: Stalin and Hitler"

link

 

[sMiLeYz]

oops

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Corn

He wants to keep america white and is using terror as an excuse. IMO

Same with Daschle (amongst other liberal elites) as evidenced by his desire to keep the wealth in the hands of whitie by fighting to perpetuate the poverty of minorities by enslaving them to the welfare state.

LOL! Is that a joke?

 

[sMiLeYz]

I have no Issues with deportation of Illegal Immigrants... we do need to control our borders to some extent.

But I strongly believer *everyone* should be given due process. That includes terrorist suspsects, and illegal immigrants. Under the constition all men are created equal, not Americans are more equal than any other human beings.

I also agree that Ashcroft is the biggest threat to our civil liberties as a country. We need a regime change 2004.

 

[Corn]

Is that a joke?

Perception is reality. The fact that you're unable to discern the intent has caused you to stop and ponder.

All I can do is plant a seed, it's up to you to nurture it.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
I have no Issues with deportation of Illegal Immigrants... we do need to control our borders to some extent.

But I strongly believer *everyone* should be given due process. That includes terrorist suspsects, and illegal immigrants. Under the constition all men are created equal, not Americans are more equal than any other human beings.

no where in the constitution does it say that it applies to illegal aliens

 

[Leon]

I think you can just look at what goes on at our border with Canada as opposed to our border with Mexico and find all the bias you want.

If we had a over 6 million of illegal border jumpers from Cananda in the last 10 years, the situation on the Canadian border would be the same.

And no, situation on Mexican border is not good...because illegals still coming in. Instead of single 2billion B2 bomber, I propose to spend the money on electrical wire along the entire border, with sniper towers.

Leon