Nazi Fvck Ashcroft Rules on Immigrants' Detention

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: LeRocks

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: Ornery
Dumb Fvck LilBlinbBlahIce lost me on this one!

If the government can show national security issues are involved, aliens will not be released on bond while their cases are decided by immigration judges.

BFD! What's your problem?

BTW, John Lee Malvo slipped in via Haiti. God knows who they'll allow to pass through there from here on out.

Since when has this administration bothered showing anything to any judge to justify what they do? This whole administration is about removing the check the judicial branch holds over the executive, this is no different.

When has any case against the administration come to court?

Judges can't just rule on a whim....

That said, I agree that illegal immigrants should not be supported by the United States. Deport them.

There hasn't been one (although there may if the admin ever actually hand over the docs on Cheney & his energy buddies the courts have asked for), but that wasn't what I was refering to. Surveiling people without a warrant, detaining people without filing charges, denying people due process, holding people indefinitely, removing any burden of proof, etc.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: Leon

Ascroft says that illegal aliens can be held indefinetly without bond

Sounds right to me. I don't like Ashcroft and his policies, but I don't see a problem in this case. Perhaps he should add Mexicans to the list as well - but instead of jail, it should say deportation

Hmm...

Did you know the first Americans to die in Iraq were Mexican/Puerto Rican decent. The same people that you want to deport fought this f!ckin war and yet you want to deport them? WTF!! You ungrateful bastard. These people joined the military so they could have a better life but yet you want to start deporting their brothers/sisters, etc...

It looks like your a racist person. You should be ashamed.

In addition... The white America that we know is coming to an end. The white American population is diminishing while other minority cultures are growing at a fast pace. You only need to look at California, New Jersey and Florida.

 

[Ornery]

"Since when has this administration bothered showing anything to any judge to justify what they do?"

It appears that the attorney general is forgetting that the authority of the government to arrest and detain is among the greatest powers the government has, and has to be exercised with great care and the most careful sensitivity to individual rights and constitutional protections,"

Let me know when we're no longer in danger of having buildings blown up, planes flown into them or God knows what all else, and we'll talk. If even one of these mofos gets to inflict more deaths on this country, guess who is the first person you're going to be screaming and pointing fingers at?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"Since when has this administration bothered showing anything to any judge to justify what they do?"

It appears that the attorney general is forgetting that the authority of the government to arrest and detain is among the greatest powers the government has, and has to be exercised with great care and the most careful sensitivity to individual rights and constitutional protections,"

Let me know when we're no longer in danger of having buildings blown up, planes flown into them or God knows what all else, and we'll talk. If even one of these mofos gets to inflict more deaths on this country, guess who is the first person you're going to be screaming and pointing fingers at?

We will never be free of that danger, no matter what the government does. See the powerplay here now?

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: junkyardDawg
I'm no fan of Ashcroft but I don't see where this is so over the top

an illegal immigrant that is a security risk should be detained

In addition, the State Department has warned that Haiti has become "a staging point" for non-Haitians considered security threats, including Pakistanis and Palestinians, to enter the United States.

that's the State dept, not Justice; is Powell trying to "keep America white" too?

Now THAT'S funny.

And, with regard to the Hispanic soldiers killed in Iraq ... They were legal immigrants, not illegal ones. AFAIK, you cannot enlist in the military after having jumped the border. I don't think anyone, even Ashcroft, has said anything about legal immigrants/aliens.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: dahunan
All in Favor of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS say "aye"




All who believe WE HAVE ENOUGH GOD DAMNED TROUBLE IN THIS COUNTRY ALREADY AND THINK EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE ILLEGALLY NEEDS TO BE SENT HOME IMMEDIATELY .... SAY "aye"

Another racist. I'm part Native American so you should get out of my country. Immigrants legal and illegal have made America what it is today. A great country! And I seriously doubt that if the illegal immigrants were coming from Europe that you would really care. But since were talking about Mexicans, Haitians, and other ethnic groups you want to start deporting all of those people that don't fit your criteria of what is a true American.

And.. Bush had better watch it because he's going to lose the all important Mexican/Peurto Rican vote come election time. And they do vote and will remember what's happening.

You guys need to get with the times. Times they are a changing. We live in a multicultural society, not a Caucasian society anymore. If you can't deal with that then move to Europe. Oh.. I forgot. The Muslim population is growing at a fast pace their as well.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: junkyardDawg
I'm no fan of Ashcroft but I don't see where this is so over the top

an illegal immigrant that is a security risk should be detained

In addition, the State Department has warned that Haiti has become "a staging point" for non-Haitians considered security threats, including Pakistanis and Palestinians, to enter the United States.

that's the State dept, not Justice; is Powell trying to "keep America white" too?

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-Herman Goering, Nazi and convicted war criminal, at the Nuremberg Trials

Could anyone be more prophetic?

 

[Ornery]

"We will never be free of that danger, no matter what the government does. See the powerplay here now? "

There were, or eve are, some people on YOUR side of the isle who say Bush ALLOWED the planes to crash into the WTC! Honest to freakin' Christ, how are you supposed to make those people happy? We've thwarted many attacks and captured or killed a fair number of terrorist leaders. This crisis will subside in time. maybe you want to let our guard down, but I'm VERY happy our current administration DOESN'T!

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: dahunan
All in Favor of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS say "aye"




All who believe WE HAVE ENOUGH GOD DAMNED TROUBLE IN THIS COUNTRY ALREADY AND THINK EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE ILLEGALLY NEEDS TO BE SENT HOME IMMEDIATELY .... SAY "aye"

Aye, you only seem to brighten the light on your ignorance. If every illegal immigrant went home today, you would not be able to buy a single fruit or vegetable tomorrow in your grocery store, you would get no milk at your doorstep, etc, etc.

The cheap labor provided by immigrants (legal and illegal) holds the massive agricultural business up like a modern-day Atlas. Idiots like you and Pat Buchannan fail to recognize that...

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Leon

Ascroft says that illegal aliens can be held indefinetly without bond

Sounds right to me. I don't like Ashcroft and his policies, but I don't see a problem in this case. Perhaps he should add Mexicans to the list as well - but instead of jail, it should say deportation

Hmm...

Did you know the first Americans to die in Iraq were Mexican/Puerto Rican decent. The same people that you want to deport fought this f!ckin war and yet you want to deport them? WTF!! You ungrateful bastard. These people joined the military so they could have a better life but yet you want to start deporting their brothers/sisters, etc...

It looks like your a racist person. You should be ashamed.

In addition... The white America that we know is coming to an end. The white American population is diminishing while other minority cultures are growing at a fast pace. You only need to look at California, New Jersey and Florida.

tec699

Are you saying that the US should just throw its borders open and have absolutely no border control at all?

If not, where do you draw the line. Should we ignore some illeagal immigrants while we deport some? What standards do you want?

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"We will never be free of that danger, no matter what the government does. See the powerplay here now? "

There were, or eve are, some people on YOUR side of the isle who say Bush ALLOWED the planes to crash into the WTC! Honest to freakin' Christ, how are you supposed to make those people happy? We've thwarted many attacks and captured or killed a fair number of terrorist leaders. This crisis will subside in time. maybe you want to let our guard down, but I'm VERY happy our current administration DOESN'T!

Wrong...do you think invading more countries and changing as many regimes as we can is making people around the world happy? As much as you'd like to think so, we cannot stop terrorism with military might or closed borders. To quote one of my favorite irreverent comedians, John Stewart:

"We may or may not be able to kill Saddam Heussein, but what we need to do is kill the idea of Saddam so that his people will be liberated. So what we should do is build bombs that can kill ideas."

See the point?

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: PipBoy
I have never loathed a politician as much as I do Ashcroft. He is pure evil.

I just wish the guy had a copy of the CONSTITUTION to read. I guess he bought his way out of that class...

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"We will never be free of that danger, no matter what the government does. See the powerplay here now? "

There were, or eve are, some people on YOUR side of the isle who say Bush ALLOWED the planes to crash into the WTC! Honest to freakin' Christ, how are you supposed to make those people happy? We've thwarted many attacks and captured or killed a fair number of terrorist leaders. This crisis will subside in time. maybe you want to let our guard down, but I'm VERY happy our current administration DOESN'T!

There is no 'crisis,' there is a threat. It was here before 9/11, and it will be here long after. And the administration can do things to keep it's guard up, curb the threats, and protect the country that fall fully within the guidelines of the constitution. But if they instead choose to do it by chipping away at the very liberties that have made this country great, then they are giving the terrorists exactly what they want.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: Ornery
"We will never be free of that danger, no matter what the government does. See the powerplay here now? "

There were, or eve are, some people on YOUR side of the isle who say Bush ALLOWED the planes to crash into the WTC! Honest to freakin' Christ, how are you supposed to make those people happy? We've thwarted many attacks and captured or killed a fair number of terrorist leaders. This crisis will subside in time. maybe you want to let our guard down, but I'm VERY happy our current administration DOESN'T!

There is no 'crisis,' there is a threat. It was here before 9/11, and it will be here long after. And the administration can do things to keep it's guard up, curb the threats, and protect the country that fall fully within the guidelines of the constitution. But if they instead choose to do it by chipping away at the very liberties that have made this country great, then they are giving the terrorists exactly what they want.

I thought the terrorists wanted the US to be a fundamentalist Islamic state.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: dahunan
All in Favor of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS say "aye"




All who believe WE HAVE ENOUGH GOD DAMNED TROUBLE IN THIS COUNTRY ALREADY AND THINK EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE ILLEGALLY NEEDS TO BE SENT HOME IMMEDIATELY .... SAY "aye"

Another racist. I'm part Native American so you should get out of my country. Immigrants legal and illegal have made America what it is today. A great country! And I seriously doubt that if the illegal immigrants were coming from Europe that you would really care. But since were talking about Mexicans, Haitians, and other ethnic groups you want to start deporting all of those people that don't fit your criteria of what is a true American.

And.. Bush had better watch it because he's going to lose the all important Mexican/Peurto Rican vote come election time. And they do vote and will remember what's happening.

You guys need to get with the times. Times they are a changing. We live in a multicultural society, not a Caucasian society anymore. If you can't deal with that then move to Europe. Oh.. I forgot. The Muslim population is growing at a fast pace their as well.

Shut The Fvck UP!!!


Sounds more like you are the RACIST... '<<<< Do YOU like being called a "racist" ???


Did't my post say

EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE ILLEGALLY

?????????????

I am talking about
Europeans
Germans
Russians
British
Norwegians
Czechoslavakians
Polish
Irish
Spanish
Italians
French
Swedes
Finnish

Chinese
Japanese
Taiwanese
Thai
Cambodians

Africans

Middle Easterners


ONCE AGAIN

EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE ILLEGALLY

People here illegally ARE HIDING FROM THE LAW

 

[konichiwa]

An autocratic, Orwellian government is a bit closer to "fundamentalist islamic state" ...

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Leon

Ascroft says that illegal aliens can be held indefinetly without bond

Sounds right to me. I don't like Ashcroft and his policies, but I don't see a problem in this case. Perhaps he should add Mexicans to the list as well - but instead of jail, it should say deportation

Hmm...

Did you know the first Americans to die in Iraq were Mexican/Puerto Rican decent. The same people that you want to deport fought this f!ckin war and yet you want to deport them? WTF!! You ungrateful bastard. These people joined the military so they could have a better life but yet you want to start deporting their brothers/sisters, etc...

It looks like your a racist person. You should be ashamed.

In addition... The white America that we know is coming to an end. The white American population is diminishing while other minority cultures are growing at a fast pace. You only need to look at California, New Jersey and Florida.

And those FIRST AMERICANS were LEGALLY SEEKING CITIZENSHIP IN THIS COUNTRY

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: Ornery
"We will never be free of that danger, no matter what the government does. See the powerplay here now? "

There were, or eve are, some people on YOUR side of the isle who say Bush ALLOWED the planes to crash into the WTC! Honest to freakin' Christ, how are you supposed to make those people happy? We've thwarted many attacks and captured or killed a fair number of terrorist leaders. This crisis will subside in time. maybe you want to let our guard down, but I'm VERY happy our current administration DOESN'T!

There is no 'crisis,' there is a threat. It was here before 9/11, and it will be here long after. And the administration can do things to keep it's guard up, curb the threats, and protect the country that fall fully within the guidelines of the constitution. But if they instead choose to do it by chipping away at the very liberties that have made this country great, then they are giving the terrorists exactly what they want.

I thought the terrorists wanted the US to be a fundamentalist Islamic state.

No, they want it to fail. They NEED it to fail, to justify their own goals of Islamic statehood. And this country will fail if we allow those in the government to keep chipping away at what has kept it successful for 200 years.

 

[AntaresVI]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Leon

Ascroft says that illegal aliens can be held indefinetly without bond

Sounds right to me. I don't like Ashcroft and his policies, but I don't see a problem in this case. Perhaps he should add Mexicans to the list as well - but instead of jail, it should say deportation

Hmm...

Did you know the first Americans to die in Iraq were Mexican/Puerto Rican decent. The same people that you want to deport fought this f!ckin war and yet you want to deport them? WTF!! You ungrateful bastard. These people joined the military so they could have a better life but yet you want to start deporting their brothers/sisters, etc...

It looks like your a racist person. You should be ashamed.

In addition... The white America that we know is coming to an end. The white American population is diminishing while other minority cultures are growing at a fast pace. You only need to look at California, New Jersey and Florida.

And those FIRST AMERICANS were LEGALLY SEEKING CITIZENSHIP IN THIS COUNTRY

Because they not only had the sense of patriotism for their new country to respect its immigration laws, even though it would hurt them financially, and because they were willing to go to war for us, they count as Americans just as much as you and I.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: LeRocks

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Leon

Ascroft says that illegal aliens can be held indefinetly without bond

Sounds right to me. I don't like Ashcroft and his policies, but I don't see a problem in this case. Perhaps he should add Mexicans to the list as well - but instead of jail, it should say deportation

Hmm...

Did you know the first Americans to die in Iraq were Mexican/Puerto Rican decent. The same people that you want to deport fought this f!ckin war and yet you want to deport them? WTF!! You ungrateful bastard. These people joined the military so they could have a better life but yet you want to start deporting their brothers/sisters, etc...

It looks like your a racist person. You should be ashamed.

In addition... The white America that we know is coming to an end. The white American population is diminishing while other minority cultures are growing at a fast pace. You only need to look at California, New Jersey and Florida.

And those FIRST AMERICANS were LEGALLY SEEKING CITIZENSHIP IN THIS COUNTRY

Because they not only had the sense of patriotism for their new country to respect its immigration laws, even though it would hurt them financially, and because they were willing to go to war for us, they count as Americans just as much as you and I.

BINGO.... EXACTLY

I have no disagreement with that...

But he was comparing those who were legally seeking citizenship in this country with those who are not... He had his gun loaded with the wrong ammunition for the argument.

 

[tec699]

etech..

What I don't like is that if these illegal immigrants were coming from Europs no one would say anything. But since were talking about Mexicans, Haitains and other minorities then most people want to start the deportation process immediately.

I envision a true multicultural America. An America were racisim is non-existent. I guess we shouldn't throw our borders wide open, but we should except the fact that people will allways attempt to come to America to pursue a better life. If I was in their shoes I would do the same thing.

 

[Corn]

He wants to keep america white and is using terror as an excuse. IMO

Same with Daschle (amongst other liberal elites) as evidenced by his desire to keep the wealth in the hands of whitie by fighting to perpetuate the poverty of minorities by enslaving them to the welfare state.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Corn

He wants to keep america white and is using terror as an excuse. IMO

Same with Daschle (amongst other liberal elites) as evidenced by his desire to keep the wealth in the hands of whitie by fighting to perpetuate the poverty of minorities by enslaving them to the welfare state.

Good to see we can have some fun here

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: tec699
etech..

What I don't like is that if these illegal immigrants were coming from Europs no one would say anything. But since were talking about Mexicans, Haitains and other minorities then most people want to start the deportation process immediately.

I envision a true multicultural America. An America were racisim is non-existent. I guess we shouldn't throw our borders wide open, but we should except the fact that people will allways attempt to come to America to pursue a better life. If I was in their shoes I would do the same thing.

You know what... If I was a Haitian or Mexican I would possibly try to illegally immigrate to America.... BUT I wouldn't bitch one bit when they threw my ass back out if they caught me.

 

[tec699]

dahunan..

I'm sorry that I called you a racist. I got a little carried away I guess.

Again I'm sorry.