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Navy Seal War Crimes

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pcgeek11 said:
As a retired veteran this is what I think about it.

"Should those officer in the military be disobeying the commander chiefs directives?"

Yes, as long as they are lawful orders they have too.

I think that he should be allowed to retain his Seal Trident Pin as he has earned them. These are not handed out lightly.

It seems that the push to remove his Trident Pin is based on hard feelings from the Pentagon for Trump giving Gallagher his rank back etc... I disagree with Trump in that action. He should have left it alone and went along with the military courts ruling. Reduction in Rate to E-6 and Reduction in Pay.
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Yeh, but Trump didn't leave it alone, did he? Through it all, the Navy did their dead level best to cover for Gallagher. That's right. But they couldn't cover for posing with a dead adversary because, you know, there's a fucking photograph. So they had to bust him for that. And Trump makes this wahoo a hero to all the wannabee alt-right wahoos in his base.

It's something you might want to read up on just a bit before you comment-

en.wikipedia.org

Eddie Gallagher (Navy SEAL) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
IronWing said:
Trump wore the uniform*, he knows the military better than anyone.

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* I think he was the door guard of the Emerald City.
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Looks like a marching band uniform.
 
This is all in line with Trump's broader push to bring dishonor to our military.

He started his campaign with made up tales of "dipping bullets in pig's blood" for summary executions of captured Muslim soldiers as a terror tactic; he's delighted in promoting torture and vengeance; he's constantly insulted and attacked gold stars and purple hearts; extorted political favors for military assistance to allies under attack; and now he's personally intervening in the military code of justice to restore murderers and war criminals back into the service for political patronage.

Trump's vision would corrupt our military from a force of noble warriors living by a code of honor and justice into a brutal gang of henchmen, enforcers and barbarians, just like the Russian army.

Any honorable service member or veteran who supports this disgraces their country and their service.
 
Donny's out there on the While House steps at this very moment honoring the dog who helped kill Bagdaddi.
Doesn't honor the military my ass.
 
Aside from the incredible damage Trump has brought upon the military, its honor and ethics, the U.S. is going to seem mighty awkward going after war criminals of other nations after this. Especially those who might kill captured U.S. troops or civilians. Whats Trump going to do, ask other nations to see that justice is done? Doesnt this idiot ever think??
 
amenx said:
Aside from the incredible damage Trump has brought upon the military, its honor and ethics, the U.S. is going to seem mighty awkward going after war criminals of other nations after this. Especially those who might kill captured U.S. troops or civilians. Whats Trump going to do, ask other nations to see that justice is done? Doesnt this idiot ever think??
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No, and no.
 
dank69 said:
Nice, so slaughter of innocent civilians just means a pay cut. Gosh, I hope there is no God because you gonna get raped for eternity if there is.
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The more you know and don't let your feelings get in the way.

www.pbs.org

Why Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher was found not guilty of murdering Iraqi captive

After two weeks of testimony, Chief Edward Gallagher was found not guilty of murdering a suspected ISIS prisoner in Iraq. The decorated Navy SEAL had been accused of stabbing the wounded teenage captive, as well as attempted murder of Iraqi civilians and obstruction of justice. William Brangham...
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In addition to being found innocent on the first-degree murder charge, Chief Gallagher was also found not guilty of attempted murder of Iraqi civilians and of obstruction of justice. The only thing he was convicted of was posing in a photo with the dead captive's body.

www.navytimes.com

SEAL sentenced for posing with dead detainee

The sentence will not go into effect until it is approved by the admiral overseeing the court-martial.
www.navytimes.com www.navytimes.com

www.ocregister.com

Navy can’t remove Chief Edward ‘Eddie’ Gallagher from elite Navy SEALs, Trump says

Gallagher’s status is scheduled to be reviewed in December, after he was convicted of posing with the corpse of an ISIS fighter.
www.ocregister.com www.ocregister.com

In that court-martial, Gallagher was found guilty of posing with the corpse of a teen ISIS fighter during the 2017 deployment to Mosul. The verdict, which also found him not guilty of the premeditated murder of the teen and of shooting at two civilians, was upheld by Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday on Oct. 29. In finalizing the verdict, Gilday also upheld the demotion of Gallagher from Chief to First Class Petty Officer, reducing his lifetime pension.
 
brycejones said:
Pcgeek11 thinks It is hilarious fun watching the Libs clutch their pearls and expect moral behavior. While the president he voted for damages American power and influence around the world.

Which is a really odd viewpoint for a person who served in the military long enough to retire.
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I do think it is funny all the people that don't know squat about the military and passing judgement.
 
Paratus said:
You are starting to sound like a never trumper. 😛

Second did you mean “unlawful orders”? I can’t think of a reason why military command should disobey lawful orders.

But in reality it doesn’t matter what the UCMJ says is “lawful”. Your President and his DOJ believe in the unitary executive. What the President says and does is lawful.



These are now legal. If the upper ranks don’t believe so they will be replaced as we just saw.

I’m sorry that it wasn’t self evident that activist conservative judges, tax cuts for billionaires, and liberal tears (you’ve got mine over this) came at a price. Part of that price is the honor of our military. But hey look at the bright side there’s finally something the President and the extreme left agree on, that our military is a bunch of trained killers.
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Yes I meant they have to follow all lawful orders. Thanks for the correction.

It does matter what the UCMJ says.

Of course the military are trained to kill. They also do a lot more, but one of the primary objectives is to know how to fight an enemy in a war.
 
brycejones said:
I don’t think you intended this to be as funny as it is.

see: Trump over ruling military commanders on matters of military discipline
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My comment was directed at yourself and select others. As for your Trump comment: as I stated in my previous post:

" I disagree with Trump in that action. He should have left it alone and went along with the military courts ruling. Reduction in Rate to E-6 and Reduction in Pay. "
 
just curious, can't the next officeholder reverse what trump is pushing on this as far as the discharge level, and post service benefits?

I don't think the pardons can be revoked but can the honorable discharge be changed to less than honorable or dishonorable?
 
pcgeek11 said:
My comment was directed at yourself and select others. As for your Trump comment: as I stated in my previous post:

" I disagree with Trump in that action. He should have left it alone and went along with the military courts ruling. Reduction in Rate to E-6 and Reduction in Pay. "
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Sorry but that isn’t how America works and you got exactly what you voted for.

A president who claims to love the military yet manages to shit on it at the same time.

A president who has actively undermined the military’s ability to effectively discipline members and hold service members accountable to obeying the laws of war.

I wasn’t passing judgement on the military but on you and Trump. I don’t need to be a current or former service member to do that. Your history of comments here and Trump’s results and actions are publicly available.
 
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