Should our country have a national healthcare system? I think we should. there million, millions of people out there that can afford good health coverage or dont have access to any health care. It would be nice to have access to same health benfits coverage our lovely congress, our president, and these companies ceo's have.
national healthcare system
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heck I live in Canada and its not that great, in fact it sucks, we pay 15% GST and in exchange we get BASIC healthcare with waiting times in the 5-10 hour range for the emergency room, I think a two tier system is the way to go, better health care for the people who can afford it and crappy public healthcare for people who can't
why should someone who cant afford health care get a crappy public health care? It's not there fault that the company they are working for doesnt offer them health care coverage. In 5 months im loosing the health care coverage Im on my dad health coverage right now, but because im going tobe 23 in 5 month i wont be cover by my dad health insurance. I still have two years of college left. Im only part time at my job and they dont offer health coverage for part timers.
No way...poor people need to pay their fair share (all of it) or (better yet) just FOAD since they're a burden on the rich.
Unless you call the system of health insurance many company's offer or how you buy auto insurance or life insurance socialism then it isn't solicalism. But creating these types of pools would probably be quite profitable for insurance companies and so can't be allowed.
Create a pool of citizens that can't afford for whatever reason insurance, purchase the insurance coverage from whatever company's offer it, and if needed(likely will) have the government(fellow citizens) supplement the fund to pay for the health insurance.
I've had to wait that long here in America, I don't understand why this argument keeps popping up.
My job doesn't offer health insurance. I have to pay $190/month for coverage for me and my wife.
Check your school to see if they offer health insurance for students. If that doesn't work, sell some of your computer parts to pay for a couple months of coverage
That's pretty cheap. A family plan often goes for over $300 at a lot of places. A long time ago (ie before the massive health rate raises) I recall co-workers paying $450 a month for family coverage. And the coverage wasn't even that great!
Check your school to see if they offer health insurance for students. If that doesn't work, sell some of your computer parts to pay for a couple months of coverage
There's an idea. If you can't afford your health care you shouldn't be blowing money on computer parts
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Check your school to see if they offer health insurance for students. If that doesn't work, sell some of your computer parts to pay for a couple months of coverage
There's an idea. If you can't afford your health care you shouldn't be blowing money on computer parts
Oh no, people are entitled to both free healthcare and computer parts!
I agree in that a two tiered system would be very interesting. As long as an oppressive system like Canada's is not implemented...
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I never have. In fact, I had to go the e-room just a few weeks ago after a bike accident (badly strained my achilles, needed x-rays to make sure it wasn't the bone) and my wait was less than 5 minutes. Total time in the hospital was less than an hour and a half. Bill was a bit over $500, my share will be $75 (hospital was out-of-plan). Small price to pay for peace of mind about one's health.
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"I swear by my life and love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man nor ask another man to live for mine."
Dagny, a couple years back I would have agreed with you that "socialism is never the answer". However, I have concluded that certain areas might be better under socialism, especially areas that are non-perfect-competition in nature, such as roads and urban utilities (which rely on non-fungible land).
As I see it, health care really isn't a market commodity since it's overly-expensive (unlike food and water) and since people have no choice but to purchase it.
Ironically, socialized medicine might have the opposite effect on the economy. Can you imagine how it would free businesses from the burden of having to worry about it? People could also more easily move from job to job since that would no longer be a factor, not to mention that it would make starting a small business much easier.
Of course, ultimately, the health care issue is really just a proxy for our nation's own economic health. If our economy were better and if we had far fewer poor, working poor, and lower middle class it wouldn't be such a huge issue. Also, more people would be able to pay for their own health care, decreasing the costs of the current elements of socialism in our system, lowering the price.
Sadly, this situation to improve anytime soon since our nation is waging a war against the lower and middle classes. (I'm referring to global labor wage arbitrage--the loss of middle class and lower middle class jobs to mass immigration (legal and illegal), foreign work visas like the H-1B and L-1, and the foreign outsourcing of manufacturing and knowledge-based services.)
"From third world shirt-sleeves to third world shirt sleeves in three generations."
I fear that the U.S. will prove to be an economic version of the Roman Empire. In the future people will say that the American people became fat and complacent and lost their understanding of simple economic principles, blinded by a religious-like faith in free market economics and immigration, and that the nation rapidly deteriorated into another third world country.
I find it amazing that although we live in the greatest country in the world, with all its riches and resources that it can't manage to give 45 million people even the most basic of healthcare insurance. I'm not talking just a "socialist handout", but from a combination of the power of government and the private sector.
Are people so lacking the vision to come up with SOMETHING?
Are people so lacking the vision to come up with SOMETHING?
An expensive product that people overuse and treat as if its free. Perhaps people should reduce their consumption of health care.
New Zealand has a national system for basic care.
If you're in need of urgent medical attention you can get it. There are a certain number of major surgical operations(such as heart and kidney transplants) each month allowed by public funding as well. This is based on a priority waiting list system.
There is an ACC(Accident Compensation) system that covers accidental and job related injury and gives full coverage by the health system in the event of injury. It also pays a percentage of lost earnings while recovering. This you pay for with things like motor vehicle registration, petrol tax and work earnings(amount depending on job risk factors).
Those who can afford to can get private insurance to pay for major operations so they don't have to go on waiting lists. Private insurance can be used for higher quality care and full coverage of lost earnings while recovering from accident or injury as well.
In this way the system offers a competitive environment for companies who offer major healthcare services.
In my opinion the system works fairly well.
If you're in need of urgent medical attention you can get it. There are a certain number of major surgical operations(such as heart and kidney transplants) each month allowed by public funding as well. This is based on a priority waiting list system.
There is an ACC(Accident Compensation) system that covers accidental and job related injury and gives full coverage by the health system in the event of injury. It also pays a percentage of lost earnings while recovering. This you pay for with things like motor vehicle registration, petrol tax and work earnings(amount depending on job risk factors).
Those who can afford to can get private insurance to pay for major operations so they don't have to go on waiting lists. Private insurance can be used for higher quality care and full coverage of lost earnings while recovering from accident or injury as well.
In this way the system offers a competitive environment for companies who offer major healthcare services.
In my opinion the system works fairly well.
If run right, a national health care system would be a great thing. Unfortunately over time it'd get bloated, take more money than it gave back, and would eat into every American's pocketbook for very little in return.
I still think we should have AT LEAST basic health care for people who can't afford it, that's only right.
I still think we should have AT LEAST basic health care for people who can't afford it, that's only right.
I dunno, your current system does exactly that. Remember, you're paying 2.5 times what the rest of the world is paying for the same healthcare, except you pay it yourself, directly.
I keep hearing people talk about 10 hour waits in the E-room. I have been to the E-room a few times and never had to wait more than an hour. This is in a hospital in the city as well so it isnt like they dont have trafic in and out.
Just this week I decided to get my chest looked at because of tightness in it since June. I call on a Weds and get a cisit the following tues. I could have had it on Thurs but I took an anti-histimine. I show up, in and out in under an hour and find out I have Asthma with alergies.
So far I have been impressed with the few times I have had to goto a doctor in this country.
The only people I hear complain are the ones on a govt funded program. Funny how they complain and have a terrible time of it and people are convinced it is the way to go.
It would be interesting to see how much less it would be if we took out the 46% the govt picks up ever year.
Hehe, saying that you've had a good time going to the doctor, expecting other countries to have it bad is kinda funny.
And btw, your public health system is in trouble, just because it wasn't managed properly doesn't mean the way it doesn't work.
"It would be interesting to see how much less it would be if we took out the 46% the govt picks up ever year."
No comprende, explain please.
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