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National Debt and Debt ceiling by political party

ProfJohn

ProfJohn

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After years of seeing those 'deficit by president' charts I finally found a couple that break down debt and the debt ceiling by political party.

Eye opening stuff.
US gross debt as % of GDP
Seems to go down or stay even when it is red and up when it is blue or purple.
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And this one says a LOT
Debt Ceiling
So Democrat controlled congress's are responsible for 60% of the increase in the debt ceiling since 1981.
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Of course what's funny is that if you chop off the financial crisis in the last couple years, there's almost no difference.

But of course if you weren't taking isolated events to try and prove a dishonest larger point, you wouldn't be Pro-Jo. How many of these fail threads are you going to make?
 
eskimospy said:
Of course what's funny is that if you chop off the financial crisis in the last couple years, there's almost no difference.

But of course if you weren't taking isolated events to try and prove a dishonest larger point, you wouldn't be Pro-Jo. How many of these fail threads are you going to make?
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Really?

Look again.
1981 debt is 30% GDP Democrats control the house for 13 years
1994 it is 60% GOP controls house for 12
2006 it is lower than when the GOP took over.

And that was before the economy crashed.
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Reagan inherited the debt from Carter's high interest years. Looking at discrete data under presidents can be misleading. Plus one must consider what money was spent on. GOP tends to spend on defense and other useful things. Dems like to throw money down the hole of social spending. Obama not only spent a lot he spent a lot of it on corrosive things.
 
So the only way to have the debt to gdp ratio to go down is to have a democrat president and GOP congress?
 
Darwin333 said:
Split rule is the only way to get our finances even close to orderly. Basically, both sides cancel out each others bullshit.
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PJ is right in that split rule only works when GOP has both wings of congress. Reagan and Bush II (W) didn't do well with controlling debt vs GDP with the Dems in power of both houses of Congress (hence why I said DEM pres. with GOP con.).
 
ProfJohn said:
After years of seeing those 'deficit by president' charts I finally found a couple that break down debt and the debt ceiling by political party.

Eye opening stuff.
US gross debt as % of GDP
Seems to go down or stay even when it is red and up when it is blue or purple.
800px-US_Federal_Debt_as_Percent_of_GDP_Color_Coded_Congress_Control_and_Presidents_Highlighted.png

And this one says a LOT
Debt Ceiling
So Democrat controlled congress's are responsible for 60% of the increase in the debt ceiling since 1981.
ts
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meh, we could make a graph not based on GDP that makes Bush and Reagan look a lot worse.

Until we stop ignoring our party because we're too busy being more interested in smearing the other party, we're not going to get anywhere helpful.

But we're not supposed to get anywhere helpful, the whole point of all this is to prove the point that man is a failure and can't provide for himself. In order to set the stage for a much greater provision from a kingdom that is not of this world...
 
eskimospy said:
Of course what's funny is that if you chop off the financial crisis in the last couple years, there's almost no difference.

But of course if you weren't taking isolated events to try and prove a dishonest larger point, you wouldn't be Pro-Jo. How many of these fail threads are you going to make?
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Or the fact that he left out a chart tracking tax reductions with debt ceiling increases.

Nope.
 
MooseNSquirrel said:
Or the fact that he left out a chart tracking tax reductions with debt ceiling increases.

Nope.
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Find one and post it, please.

Doubt you will though cause it probably doesn't exist.
Finding these charts were hard enough.
I still haven't been able to find year deficit vs GDP by political party. Can find it by president though.

And is strange that when we were looking at charts of spending by president that showed how good Clinton looked and how bad the Republicans looked the liberal members of the forum loved them.

But now that we have charts that show Democrats as being bad with spending we are seeing a bunch of excuses as to why they shouldn't matter.
 
Anarchist420 said:
Actually, you're right, at least on the 1st two points. I'm surprised the OP isn't trying to say that Lincoln contributed less to the Federal debt than Andrew Jackson.
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Except that for the most part, we're concerned with events that happened within 150 years of the present.
 
ProfJohn said:
Find one and post it, please.

Doubt you will though cause it probably doesn't exist.
Finding these charts were hard enough.
I still haven't been able to find year deficit vs GDP by political party. Can find it by president though.

And is strange that when we were looking at charts of spending by president that showed how good Clinton looked and how bad the Republicans looked the liberal members of the forum loved them.

But now that we have charts that show Democrats as being bad with spending we are seeing a bunch of excuses as to why they shouldn't matter.
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http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/federal_revenue_chart

Has all the revenue/deficit/gross debt/gdp/even revenue by type numbers (Federal, State, and local) you could ever want in charts that you can completely customize. You can even select the range of years you want and then download the data into a CSV file. The makeup of Congress you will have to gather the old fashion way, throw it into excel and viola. It would probably take less time than you have already spent looking for a ready made chart.
 
soccerballtux said:
meh, we could make a graph not based on GDP that makes Bush and Reagan look a lot worse.
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I agree that most of these charts use intentionally cherry picked data in order to support whatever argument the author wishes to make but debt/gdp is really the only way to compare apples to apples. Same thing with revenue, deficits, etc...

If I have a million dollars of debt, that sounds pretty bad. However, if I make 100 million a year then my debt situation is outstanding. The context is absolutely necessary to form an informed opinion.
 
soccerballtux said:
Until we stop ignoring our party because we're too busy being more interested in smearing the other party, we're not going to get anywhere helpful.
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This.

But sadly that's all that P&N is about; criticize the other party, even when your party is just as guilty and should be blamed just as much.
 
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ProfJohn said:
And is strange that when we were looking at charts of spending by president that showed how good Clinton looked and how bad the Republicans looked the liberal members of the forum loved them.

But now that we have charts that show Democrats as being bad with spending we are seeing a bunch of excuses as to why they shouldn't matter.
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This is exactly what you do, in reverse. God damn you are thick. :thumbsdown:
 
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