NASCAR fans

[kalster]

In F1 cars are not on a level playing field because the engineering teams for the cars work extremely hard to innovate and produce the best possible engine. All the things about pit strategy, tires, fuel capacity talke about above apply to F1 as well.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: kalster
In F1 cars are not on a level playing field because the engineering teams for the cars work extremely hard to innovate and produce the best possible engine. All the things about pit strategy, tires, fuel capacity talke about above apply to F1 as well.

No doubt. That's something in common it has with NASCAR:thumbsup:

 

[davew0670]

f1 pits crews dont even compare to nascar pit crews.

 

[iamwiz82]

The thing I do not like about F1 is how cautious the drivers are. I understand why, one little bump and their wing is gone and they are no longer in contention, but it lacks a lot of the excitement of NASCAR.

BTW, I thought I saw an F1 driver's name in a Busch race, French, IIRC. Seems like more and more are making the jump.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
The thing I do not like about F1 is how cautious the drivers are. I understand why, one little bump and their wing is gone and they are no longer in contention, but it lacks a lot of the excitement of NASCAR.

BTW, I thought I saw an F1 driver's name in a Busch race, French, IIRC. Seems like more and more are making the jump.

Yeah a 1300 lbs car really can be screwed is the aerodynamics of it is just off a slight bit.

 

[Dead3ye]

Originally posted by: davew0670

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron
NASCAR is about the driver, not the car


He wouldn't want to do it because he'd be forced onto an even playing field,
unlike his current Ferrari situation that allows him to dominate

so what you're saying is that racing in nascar would be more challenging than racing in F1?

and no ferrari is not #1

Would you say the Tour de France is more challenging right now than it
would be if one person was allowed to use a motorcycle ?

like i said, if ferrari does indeed has an insane amount of advantage over other teams, they would be the first constructor by now. and if you think... wouldn't Felipe Massa get the advantage as well?

you gotta admit he's right... racing in an oval in cars that are set up to go straight is pretty damn boring.

I never said it was interesting.

I'm saying Schumacher's claim there is no challenge is false.

If everyone is on the same playing field, beating the guy next to you is more challenging.


People seem to forget Nascar races have like 40 drivers, and for the most part,
the remain just a few inches from each other the whole race. However, the same guys
usually win. They just know when to take subtle advantages.


If it was one car going around the track, I see your argument ... no challenge.

11 different drivers in 18 races have won in nascar.

3 different drivers have won all 11 f1 races and one driver has only won once with the other 2 winning the remaining 10. sounds exciting!

This is about the best response I've read yet (other than Red Dawn's). Why watch a race when you already know who will win?

And Red hit it on the head. There is so much more going on than just the drivers going in circles. NBC and FOX's coverage blows, big ones. When ESPN was doing the coverage, you knew what was going on with the cars. Hell, they damn near had a crew person in everybodies pit checking on the car situation. FOX and NBC don't do this nearly as well. ESPN got NASCAR where it's at on TV. I heard they are trying like hell to get it back (I hope).

BTW, watching the races in HD and dolby is awesome. And if ESPN does get the coverage back, we won't lose that.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron
NASCAR is about the driver, not the car


He wouldn't want to do it because he'd be forced onto an even playing field,
unlike his current Ferrari situation that allows him to dominate

so what you're saying is that racing in nascar would be more challenging than racing in F1?

and no ferrari is not #1

Would you say the Tour de France is more challenging right now than it
would be if one person was allowed to use a motorcycle ?

Wow, worst analogy ever. If Ferrari were so dominating then wouldn't Schumacher's teammate also be dominating? Felipe Massa dominated every teammate he's ever had yet he's struggling to bring his car home in the points this season.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Dead3ye

Originally posted by: davew0670

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron
NASCAR is about the driver, not the car


He wouldn't want to do it because he'd be forced onto an even playing field,
unlike his current Ferrari situation that allows him to dominate

so what you're saying is that racing in nascar would be more challenging than racing in F1?

and no ferrari is not #1

Would you say the Tour de France is more challenging right now than it
would be if one person was allowed to use a motorcycle ?

like i said, if ferrari does indeed has an insane amount of advantage over other teams, they would be the first constructor by now. and if you think... wouldn't Felipe Massa get the advantage as well?

you gotta admit he's right... racing in an oval in cars that are set up to go straight is pretty damn boring.

I never said it was interesting.

I'm saying Schumacher's claim there is no challenge is false.

If everyone is on the same playing field, beating the guy next to you is more challenging.


People seem to forget Nascar races have like 40 drivers, and for the most part,
the remain just a few inches from each other the whole race. However, the same guys
usually win. They just know when to take subtle advantages.


If it was one car going around the track, I see your argument ... no challenge.

11 different drivers in 18 races have won in nascar.

3 different drivers have won all 11 f1 races and one driver has only won once with the other 2 winning the remaining 10. sounds exciting!

This is about the best response I've read yet (other than Red Dawn's). Why watch a race when you already know who will win?

And Red hit it on the head. There is so much more going on than just the drivers going in circles. NBC and FOX's coverage blows, big ones. When ESPN was doing the coverage, you knew what was going on with the cars. Hell, they damn near had a crew person in everybodies pit checking on the car situation. FOX and NBC don't do this nearly as well. ESPN got NASCAR where it's at on TV. I heard they are trying like hell to get it back (I hope).

BTW, watching the races in HD and dolby is awesome. And if ESPN does get the coverage back, we won't lose that.

TBS has NASCAR now. I'm still up in the air on what I think about the job they are doing.

 

[davew0670]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Dead3ye

Originally posted by: davew0670

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron
NASCAR is about the driver, not the car


He wouldn't want to do it because he'd be forced onto an even playing field,
unlike his current Ferrari situation that allows him to dominate

so what you're saying is that racing in nascar would be more challenging than racing in F1?

and no ferrari is not #1

Would you say the Tour de France is more challenging right now than it
would be if one person was allowed to use a motorcycle ?

like i said, if ferrari does indeed has an insane amount of advantage over other teams, they would be the first constructor by now. and if you think... wouldn't Felipe Massa get the advantage as well?

you gotta admit he's right... racing in an oval in cars that are set up to go straight is pretty damn boring.

I never said it was interesting.

I'm saying Schumacher's claim there is no challenge is false.

If everyone is on the same playing field, beating the guy next to you is more challenging.


People seem to forget Nascar races have like 40 drivers, and for the most part,
the remain just a few inches from each other the whole race. However, the same guys
usually win. They just know when to take subtle advantages.


If it was one car going around the track, I see your argument ... no challenge.

11 different drivers in 18 races have won in nascar.

3 different drivers have won all 11 f1 races and one driver has only won once with the other 2 winning the remaining 10. sounds exciting!

This is about the best response I've read yet (other than Red Dawn's). Why watch a race when you already know who will win?

And Red hit it on the head. There is so much more going on than just the drivers going in circles. NBC and FOX's coverage blows, big ones. When ESPN was doing the coverage, you knew what was going on with the cars. Hell, they damn near had a crew person in everybodies pit checking on the car situation. FOX and NBC don't do this nearly as well. ESPN got NASCAR where it's at on TV. I heard they are trying like hell to get it back (I hope).

BTW, watching the races in HD and dolby is awesome. And if ESPN does get the coverage back, we won't lose that.

TBS has NASCAR now. I'm still up in the air on what I think about the job they are doing.

they are terrible. wally dallenbach????? at least get someone in the booth who has sniffed a victory in cup. benny parsons says absolutley nothing of importance during the race. NBC/TNT is nothing but a commercial fest.

 

[Dead3ye]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Dead3ye

Originally posted by: davew0670

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron
NASCAR is about the driver, not the car


He wouldn't want to do it because he'd be forced onto an even playing field,
unlike his current Ferrari situation that allows him to dominate

so what you're saying is that racing in nascar would be more challenging than racing in F1?

and no ferrari is not #1

Would you say the Tour de France is more challenging right now than it
would be if one person was allowed to use a motorcycle ?

like i said, if ferrari does indeed has an insane amount of advantage over other teams, they would be the first constructor by now. and if you think... wouldn't Felipe Massa get the advantage as well?

you gotta admit he's right... racing in an oval in cars that are set up to go straight is pretty damn boring.

I never said it was interesting.

I'm saying Schumacher's claim there is no challenge is false.

If everyone is on the same playing field, beating the guy next to you is more challenging.


People seem to forget Nascar races have like 40 drivers, and for the most part,
the remain just a few inches from each other the whole race. However, the same guys
usually win. They just know when to take subtle advantages.


If it was one car going around the track, I see your argument ... no challenge.

11 different drivers in 18 races have won in nascar.

3 different drivers have won all 11 f1 races and one driver has only won once with the other 2 winning the remaining 10. sounds exciting!

This is about the best response I've read yet (other than Red Dawn's). Why watch a race when you already know who will win?

And Red hit it on the head. There is so much more going on than just the drivers going in circles. NBC and FOX's coverage blows, big ones. When ESPN was doing the coverage, you knew what was going on with the cars. Hell, they damn near had a crew person in everybodies pit checking on the car situation. FOX and NBC don't do this nearly as well. ESPN got NASCAR where it's at on TV. I heard they are trying like hell to get it back (I hope).

BTW, watching the races in HD and dolby is awesome. And if ESPN does get the coverage back, we won't lose that.

TBS has NASCAR now. I'm still up in the air on what I think about the job they are doing.

Not TBS, it's TNT and NBC, one in the same...

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Dead3ye

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Dead3ye

Originally posted by: davew0670

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron
NASCAR is about the driver, not the car


He wouldn't want to do it because he'd be forced onto an even playing field,
unlike his current Ferrari situation that allows him to dominate

so what you're saying is that racing in nascar would be more challenging than racing in F1?

and no ferrari is not #1

Would you say the Tour de France is more challenging right now than it
would be if one person was allowed to use a motorcycle ?

like i said, if ferrari does indeed has an insane amount of advantage over other teams, they would be the first constructor by now. and if you think... wouldn't Felipe Massa get the advantage as well?

you gotta admit he's right... racing in an oval in cars that are set up to go straight is pretty damn boring.

I never said it was interesting.

I'm saying Schumacher's claim there is no challenge is false.

If everyone is on the same playing field, beating the guy next to you is more challenging.


People seem to forget Nascar races have like 40 drivers, and for the most part,
the remain just a few inches from each other the whole race. However, the same guys
usually win. They just know when to take subtle advantages.


If it was one car going around the track, I see your argument ... no challenge.

11 different drivers in 18 races have won in nascar.

3 different drivers have won all 11 f1 races and one driver has only won once with the other 2 winning the remaining 10. sounds exciting!

This is about the best response I've read yet (other than Red Dawn's). Why watch a race when you already know who will win?

And Red hit it on the head. There is so much more going on than just the drivers going in circles. NBC and FOX's coverage blows, big ones. When ESPN was doing the coverage, you knew what was going on with the cars. Hell, they damn near had a crew person in everybodies pit checking on the car situation. FOX and NBC don't do this nearly as well. ESPN got NASCAR where it's at on TV. I heard they are trying like hell to get it back (I hope).

BTW, watching the races in HD and dolby is awesome. And if ESPN does get the coverage back, we won't lose that.

TBS has NASCAR now. I'm still up in the air on what I think about the job they are doing.

Not TBS, it's TNT and NBC, one in the same...

One of those T stations. Hell what do I know, I'm just a White Trash NASCAR loving hick:thumbsup:

I do wish they'd cut down on the commercial breaks, I hate it when they come back from a commercial after something significant has happened during the break.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
As a person that watches both I will say they are both boring as hell to watch . With F1 there is no passing other then in the pits and in Nascar they are just going around in circles so they both suck get over it. I dont' know why I watch either of them other then there is nothing better on.

Boring?? You think going 190 MPH inches away from another cars bumper or side panel is boring. NASCAR is insane, Bump Drafting and spinning out other drivers at 180+mph to get ahead of them ala Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart in 3500 LBS 700 HP Machines? (BTW Stewart was an IRL Champ before he switched over too NASCAR) Hell even the Pit Stops can be exciting with cars falling off jacks and race officials getting clipped by cars trying to get back out on the track before the officials can get out of the way. And the race strategy can be finger nail biting trying to calculate if they can finish on the amount of fuel they have left in the tank or whether to pit and change tires and hope the tires will last and not blow sending the car into the wall or another car at 190 MPH.

I'm always amazed at the skill of NASCAR drivers, especially when they avoid other cars right in front of them spinning out. It's almost unbelievable how so many of them avoid plowing into another car which has wrecked right in front of them.

In addition NASCAR on HD with Dolby is the best TV has to offer when it comes to that technology, it really shows what your Home Theater setup can offer.

I think it's boring as hell. I've watched some of the racing but the thing about it is, you tune in at lap 10 and then again at lap 110 and then again at lap 180 and you see the same damned thing...cars going around in a big circle at high speeds. I can't stand oval racing. Oh, and I've been to an oval track race too!!!

I'll admit that there are a few tracks on the F1 calendar that produce some pretty boring races but there are others that simply shine. Tracks like Spa and Imola even Canada, Japan and Brazil. I even love Monte Carlo even though there is no very little chance to pass there. To me there is nothing as exciting as the start of a Formula One race either.

I'm sure Schumacher's comments will draw the ire of nascar fans though and it will be entertaining to watch the response from them to his opinion...which I happen to agree with.

 

[Dead3ye]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Dead3ye

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Dead3ye

Originally posted by: davew0670

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron
NASCAR is about the driver, not the car


He wouldn't want to do it because he'd be forced onto an even playing field,
unlike his current Ferrari situation that allows him to dominate

so what you're saying is that racing in nascar would be more challenging than racing in F1?

and no ferrari is not #1

Would you say the Tour de France is more challenging right now than it
would be if one person was allowed to use a motorcycle ?

like i said, if ferrari does indeed has an insane amount of advantage over other teams, they would be the first constructor by now. and if you think... wouldn't Felipe Massa get the advantage as well?

you gotta admit he's right... racing in an oval in cars that are set up to go straight is pretty damn boring.

I never said it was interesting.

I'm saying Schumacher's claim there is no challenge is false.

If everyone is on the same playing field, beating the guy next to you is more challenging.


People seem to forget Nascar races have like 40 drivers, and for the most part,
the remain just a few inches from each other the whole race. However, the same guys
usually win. They just know when to take subtle advantages.


If it was one car going around the track, I see your argument ... no challenge.

11 different drivers in 18 races have won in nascar.

3 different drivers have won all 11 f1 races and one driver has only won once with the other 2 winning the remaining 10. sounds exciting!

This is about the best response I've read yet (other than Red Dawn's). Why watch a race when you already know who will win?

And Red hit it on the head. There is so much more going on than just the drivers going in circles. NBC and FOX's coverage blows, big ones. When ESPN was doing the coverage, you knew what was going on with the cars. Hell, they damn near had a crew person in everybodies pit checking on the car situation. FOX and NBC don't do this nearly as well. ESPN got NASCAR where it's at on TV. I heard they are trying like hell to get it back (I hope).

BTW, watching the races in HD and dolby is awesome. And if ESPN does get the coverage back, we won't lose that.

TBS has NASCAR now. I'm still up in the air on what I think about the job they are doing.

Not TBS, it's TNT and NBC, one in the same...

One of those T stations. Hell what do I know, I'm just a White Trash NASCAR loving hick:thumbsup:

I do wish they'd cut down on the commercial breaks, I hate it when they come back from a commercial after something significant has happened during the break.

Well at least I get TNT in HD. I didn't get FX in HD (I don't think anybody did). NBC is a commercial fest. Last week towards the end of the race, they would show about 4 laps and go to a "break".

Wally is loads better to listen to than Daryl. My buddies and I were shouting "genius" everytime Daryl (captian obvious) would say something. Although Benny isn't much better...

Dare I say it...GO GORDON!

 

[40Hands]

Cannot stand NASCAR. I grew up around a bunch of rednecks who loved it. It is so very boring. "weee doggy, Jeff Gordon passed dat oter car! yeee haw!" :roll:

I would rather watch baseball and I don't even like baseball!

 

[DougK62]

Hmmm...I always found NASCAR to be exciting and F1/CART bores me to sleep.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
As a person that watches both I will say they are both boring as hell to watch . With F1 there is no passing other then in the pits and in Nascar they are just going around in circles so they both suck get over it. I dont' know why I watch either of them other then there is nothing better on.

Boring?? You think going 190 MPH inches away from another cars bumper or side panel is boring. NASCAR is insane, Bump Drafting and spinning out other drivers at 180+mph to get ahead of them ala Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart in 3500 LBS 700 HP Machines? (BTW Stewart was an IRL Champ before he switched over too NASCAR) Hell even the Pit Stops can be exciting with cars falling off jacks and race officials getting clipped by cars trying to get back out on the track before the officials can get out of the way. And the race strategy can be finger nail biting trying to calculate if they can finish on the amount of fuel they have left in the tank or whether to pit and change tires and hope the tires will last and not blow sending the car into the wall or another car at 190 MPH.

I'm always amazed at the skill of NASCAR drivers, especially when they avoid other cars right in front of them spinning out. It's almost unbelievable how so many of them avoid plowing into another car which has wrecked right in front of them.

In addition NASCAR on HD with Dolby is the best TV has to offer when it comes to that technology, it really shows what your Home Theater setup can offer.

I think it's boring as hell. I've watched some of the racing but the thing about it is, you tune in at lap 10 and then again at lap 110 and then again at lap 180 and you see the same damned thing...cars going around in a big circle at high speeds. I can't stand oval racing. Oh, and I've been to an oval track race too!!!

I'll admit that there are a few tracks on the F1 calendar that produce some pretty boring races but there are others that simply shine. Tracks like Spa and Imola even Canada, Japan and Brazil. I even love Monte Carlo even though there is no very little chance to pass there. To me there is nothing as exciting as the start of a Formula One race either.

I'm sure Schumacher's comments will draw the ire of rednecks everywhere though. It will be entertaining to watch the response from idiot rednecks to his opinion...which I happen to agree with.

Jules I'm trying to be nice to you but if you insist on calling NASCAR fans like myself Red Neck Idiots like you are somehow more intellectual or sophisticated then I think you are being delusional about yourself. I don't have a problem with you not liking it or finding it boring but I do have a problem with you insulting those of us who do like it because of all the nuances and intricacies along with the thrills that you don't seem to get.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
As a person that watches both I will say they are both boring as hell to watch . With F1 there is no passing other then in the pits and in Nascar they are just going around in circles so they both suck get over it. I dont' know why I watch either of them other then there is nothing better on.

Boring?? You think going 190 MPH inches away from another cars bumper or side panel is boring. NASCAR is insane, Bump Drafting and spinning out other drivers at 180+mph to get ahead of them ala Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart in 3500 LBS 700 HP Machines? (BTW Stewart was an IRL Champ before he switched over too NASCAR) Hell even the Pit Stops can be exciting with cars falling off jacks and race officials getting clipped by cars trying to get back out on the track before the officials can get out of the way. And the race strategy can be finger nail biting trying to calculate if they can finish on the amount of fuel they have left in the tank or whether to pit and change tires and hope the tires will last and not blow sending the car into the wall or another car at 190 MPH.

I'm always amazed at the skill of NASCAR drivers, especially when they avoid other cars right in front of them spinning out. It's almost unbelievable how so many of them avoid plowing into another car which has wrecked right in front of them.

In addition NASCAR on HD with Dolby is the best TV has to offer when it comes to that technology, it really shows what your Home Theater setup can offer.

I think it's boring as hell. I've watched some of the racing but the thing about it is, you tune in at lap 10 and then again at lap 110 and then again at lap 180 and you see the same damned thing...cars going around in a big circle at high speeds. I can't stand oval racing. Oh, and I've been to an oval track race too!!!

I'll admit that there are a few tracks on the F1 calendar that produce some pretty boring races but there are others that simply shine. Tracks like Spa and Imola even Canada, Japan and Brazil. I even love Monte Carlo even though there is no very little chance to pass there. To me there is nothing as exciting as the start of a Formula One race either.

I'm sure Schumacher's comments will draw the ire of rednecks everywhere though. It will be entertaining to watch the response from idiot rednecks to his opinion...which I happen to agree with.

Jules I'm trying to be nice to you but if you insist on calling NASCAR fans like myself Red Neck Idiots like you are somehow more intellectual or sophisticated then I think you are being delusional about yourself. I don't have a problem with you not liking it or finding it boring but I do have a problem with you insulting those of us who do like it because of all the nuances and intricacies along with the thrills that you don't seem to get.

Alright, sorry about the idiot redneck comment, I'll edit my post. I just think it's funny that a bunch of nascar fans are getting all riled up about what he said...or what was quoted in the press anyway. It could be that this was taken out of context but you'll never hear anyone say that in the media.

I am not even a Schumacher fan. I hope he loses this year, just like last year. In fact, I'd like to see Kimi Raikkonen go to Ferrari and beat Schumacher next year in the same car. That would be awesome!

BTW-I might tune in to a race or two next season to see how old Juan Pablo does. I'll certainly follow it in the sporting news anyway...which is something I don't do now.

It's not just Nascar that I find boring, I don't watch the IRL either and I never really enjoyed the oval races when CART raced on oval tracks either. I did go to the inaugural CART race at the Penske track here in Fontana. It was entertaining to watch there live because of the speed (they averaged 240mph) but I never felt compelled to go back and watch anymore races there.

I do watch the Indy 500 but that's the only oval track race I watch.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

IMO: F1 could use some de-teching. If you ever see footage of the old F1 races, those drivers were incredible. The racing was awesome. No ABS, no lights, no driver assists. If your car was crappy, you had to be a good enough driver to be able to work with it, and the truely great drivers shined by thier ability to work with whatever you gave them.

What I could like to see in an open wheeled, road course event:
30 cars.
N/A I4-V8s (different classes)
Fuel injection setups that cannot be tweaked by the driver.
No wings
Spec body shape.
No driver aids outside of analog guages.

I think you'd see alot more entertaining racing, and the difference between a good driver and a great one would be night and day.

 

[Dead3ye]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
As a person that watches both I will say they are both boring as hell to watch . With F1 there is no passing other then in the pits and in Nascar they are just going around in circles so they both suck get over it. I dont' know why I watch either of them other then there is nothing better on.

Boring?? You think going 190 MPH inches away from another cars bumper or side panel is boring. NASCAR is insane, Bump Drafting and spinning out other drivers at 180+mph to get ahead of them ala Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart in 3500 LBS 700 HP Machines? (BTW Stewart was an IRL Champ before he switched over too NASCAR) Hell even the Pit Stops can be exciting with cars falling off jacks and race officials getting clipped by cars trying to get back out on the track before the officials can get out of the way. And the race strategy can be finger nail biting trying to calculate if they can finish on the amount of fuel they have left in the tank or whether to pit and change tires and hope the tires will last and not blow sending the car into the wall or another car at 190 MPH.

I'm always amazed at the skill of NASCAR drivers, especially when they avoid other cars right in front of them spinning out. It's almost unbelievable how so many of them avoid plowing into another car which has wrecked right in front of them.

In addition NASCAR on HD with Dolby is the best TV has to offer when it comes to that technology, it really shows what your Home Theater setup can offer.

I think it's boring as hell. I've watched some of the racing but the thing about it is, you tune in at lap 10 and then again at lap 110 and then again at lap 180 and you see the same damned thing...cars going around in a big circle at high speeds. I can't stand oval racing. Oh, and I've been to an oval track race too!!!

I'll admit that there are a few tracks on the F1 calendar that produce some pretty boring races but there are others that simply shine. Tracks like Spa and Imola even Canada, Japan and Brazil. I even love Monte Carlo even though there is no very little chance to pass there. To me there is nothing as exciting as the start of a Formula One race either.

I'm sure Schumacher's comments will draw the ire of rednecks everywhere though. It will be entertaining to watch the response from idiot rednecks to his opinion...which I happen to agree with.

Jules I'm trying to be nice to you but if you insist on calling NASCAR fans like myself Red Neck Idiots like you are somehow more intellectual or sophisticated then I think you are being delusional about yourself. I don't have a problem with you not liking it or finding it boring but I do have a problem with you insulting those of us who do like it because of all the nuances and intricacies along with the thrills that you don't seem to get.

Hey Red, wanna pass me one of them thar beers in cooler? The TV screen is gettin' a little to clear so I must need another. And pass me the pork rinds too while yer at it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
As a person that watches both I will say they are both boring as hell to watch . With F1 there is no passing other then in the pits and in Nascar they are just going around in circles so they both suck get over it. I dont' know why I watch either of them other then there is nothing better on.

Boring?? You think going 190 MPH inches away from another cars bumper or side panel is boring. NASCAR is insane, Bump Drafting and spinning out other drivers at 180+mph to get ahead of them ala Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart in 3500 LBS 700 HP Machines? (BTW Stewart was an IRL Champ before he switched over too NASCAR) Hell even the Pit Stops can be exciting with cars falling off jacks and race officials getting clipped by cars trying to get back out on the track before the officials can get out of the way. And the race strategy can be finger nail biting trying to calculate if they can finish on the amount of fuel they have left in the tank or whether to pit and change tires and hope the tires will last and not blow sending the car into the wall or another car at 190 MPH.

I'm always amazed at the skill of NASCAR drivers, especially when they avoid other cars right in front of them spinning out. It's almost unbelievable how so many of them avoid plowing into another car which has wrecked right in front of them.

In addition NASCAR on HD with Dolby is the best TV has to offer when it comes to that technology, it really shows what your Home Theater setup can offer.

I think it's boring as hell. I've watched some of the racing but the thing about it is, you tune in at lap 10 and then again at lap 110 and then again at lap 180 and you see the same damned thing...cars going around in a big circle at high speeds. I can't stand oval racing. Oh, and I've been to an oval track race too!!!

I'll admit that there are a few tracks on the F1 calendar that produce some pretty boring races but there are others that simply shine. Tracks like Spa and Imola even Canada, Japan and Brazil. I even love Monte Carlo even though there is no very little chance to pass there. To me there is nothing as exciting as the start of a Formula One race either.

I'm sure Schumacher's comments will draw the ire of rednecks everywhere though. It will be entertaining to watch the response from idiot rednecks to his opinion...which I happen to agree with.

Jules I'm trying to be nice to you but if you insist on calling NASCAR fans like myself Red Neck Idiots like you are somehow more intellectual or sophisticated then I think you are being delusional about yourself. I don't have a problem with you not liking it or finding it boring but I do have a problem with you insulting those of us who do like it because of all the nuances and intricacies along with the thrills that you don't seem to get.

Alright, sorry about the idiot redneck comment, I'll edit my post. I just think it's funny that a bunch of nascar fans are getting all riled up about what he said...or what was quoted in the press anyway. It could be that this was taken out of context but you'll never hear anyone say that in the media.

I am not even a Schumacher fan. I hope he loses this year, just like last year. In fact, I'd like to see Kimi Raikkonen go to Ferrari and beat Schumacher next year in the same car. That would be awesome!

Funny, I don't see many people riled up over it. For the most part they are explaining what they like about NASCAR.

BTW you have to admit that F1 drivers are a bunch of Prima Donna's. I know this so that's why their comments rarely strike home with me.

 

[davew0670]

Originally posted by: DougK62
Hmmm...I always found NASCAR to be exciting and F1/CART bores me to sleep.

I just love racing. I could get into open wheel a little more if I could tell who is driving what. 8 red, 7 white, 4 blue and 5 black cars make it kind of tough.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
As a person that watches both I will say they are both boring as hell to watch . With F1 there is no passing other then in the pits and in Nascar they are just going around in circles so they both suck get over it. I dont' know why I watch either of them other then there is nothing better on.

Boring?? You think going 190 MPH inches away from another cars bumper or side panel is boring. NASCAR is insane, Bump Drafting and spinning out other drivers at 180+mph to get ahead of them ala Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart in 3500 LBS 700 HP Machines? (BTW Stewart was an IRL Champ before he switched over too NASCAR) Hell even the Pit Stops can be exciting with cars falling off jacks and race officials getting clipped by cars trying to get back out on the track before the officials can get out of the way. And the race strategy can be finger nail biting trying to calculate if they can finish on the amount of fuel they have left in the tank or whether to pit and change tires and hope the tires will last and not blow sending the car into the wall or another car at 190 MPH.

I'm always amazed at the skill of NASCAR drivers, especially when they avoid other cars right in front of them spinning out. It's almost unbelievable how so many of them avoid plowing into another car which has wrecked right in front of them.

In addition NASCAR on HD with Dolby is the best TV has to offer when it comes to that technology, it really shows what your Home Theater setup can offer.

I think it's boring as hell. I've watched some of the racing but the thing about it is, you tune in at lap 10 and then again at lap 110 and then again at lap 180 and you see the same damned thing...cars going around in a big circle at high speeds. I can't stand oval racing. Oh, and I've been to an oval track race too!!!

I'll admit that there are a few tracks on the F1 calendar that produce some pretty boring races but there are others that simply shine. Tracks like Spa and Imola even Canada, Japan and Brazil. I even love Monte Carlo even though there is no very little chance to pass there. To me there is nothing as exciting as the start of a Formula One race either.

I'm sure Schumacher's comments will draw the ire of rednecks everywhere though. It will be entertaining to watch the response from idiot rednecks to his opinion...which I happen to agree with.

Jules I'm trying to be nice to you but if you insist on calling NASCAR fans like myself Red Neck Idiots like you are somehow more intellectual or sophisticated then I think you are being delusional about yourself. I don't have a problem with you not liking it or finding it boring but I do have a problem with you insulting those of us who do like it because of all the nuances and intricacies along with the thrills that you don't seem to get.

Alright, sorry about the idiot redneck comment, I'll edit my post. I just think it's funny that a bunch of nascar fans are getting all riled up about what he said...or what was quoted in the press anyway. It could be that this was taken out of context but you'll never hear anyone say that in the media.

I am not even a Schumacher fan. I hope he loses this year, just like last year. In fact, I'd like to see Kimi Raikkonen go to Ferrari and beat Schumacher next year in the same car. That would be awesome!

Funny, I don't see many people riled up over it. For the most part they are explaining what they like about NASCAR.

BTW you have to admit that F1 drivers are a bunch of Prima Donna's. I know this so that's why their comments rarely strike home with me.

Hmm, maybe I'll stroll on over to a nascar message board and see if that's true or not.

 

[Dead3ye]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
As a person that watches both I will say they are both boring as hell to watch . With F1 there is no passing other then in the pits and in Nascar they are just going around in circles so they both suck get over it. I dont' know why I watch either of them other then there is nothing better on.

Boring?? You think going 190 MPH inches away from another cars bumper or side panel is boring. NASCAR is insane, Bump Drafting and spinning out other drivers at 180+mph to get ahead of them ala Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart in 3500 LBS 700 HP Machines? (BTW Stewart was an IRL Champ before he switched over too NASCAR) Hell even the Pit Stops can be exciting with cars falling off jacks and race officials getting clipped by cars trying to get back out on the track before the officials can get out of the way. And the race strategy can be finger nail biting trying to calculate if they can finish on the amount of fuel they have left in the tank or whether to pit and change tires and hope the tires will last and not blow sending the car into the wall or another car at 190 MPH.

I'm always amazed at the skill of NASCAR drivers, especially when they avoid other cars right in front of them spinning out. It's almost unbelievable how so many of them avoid plowing into another car which has wrecked right in front of them.

In addition NASCAR on HD with Dolby is the best TV has to offer when it comes to that technology, it really shows what your Home Theater setup can offer.

I think it's boring as hell. I've watched some of the racing but the thing about it is, you tune in at lap 10 and then again at lap 110 and then again at lap 180 and you see the same damned thing...cars going around in a big circle at high speeds. I can't stand oval racing. Oh, and I've been to an oval track race too!!!

I'll admit that there are a few tracks on the F1 calendar that produce some pretty boring races but there are others that simply shine. Tracks like Spa and Imola even Canada, Japan and Brazil. I even love Monte Carlo even though there is no very little chance to pass there. To me there is nothing as exciting as the start of a Formula One race either.

I'm sure Schumacher's comments will draw the ire of rednecks everywhere though. It will be entertaining to watch the response from idiot rednecks to his opinion...which I happen to agree with.

Jules I'm trying to be nice to you but if you insist on calling NASCAR fans like myself Red Neck Idiots like you are somehow more intellectual or sophisticated then I think you are being delusional about yourself. I don't have a problem with you not liking it or finding it boring but I do have a problem with you insulting those of us who do like it because of all the nuances and intricacies along with the thrills that you don't seem to get.

Alright, sorry about the idiot redneck comment, I'll edit my post. I just think it's funny that a bunch of nascar fans are getting all riled up about what he said...or what was quoted in the press anyway. It could be that this was taken out of context but you'll never hear anyone say that in the media.

I am not even a Schumacher fan. I hope he loses this year, just like last year. In fact, I'd like to see Kimi Raikkonen go to Ferrari and beat Schumacher next year in the same car. That would be awesome!

Funny, I don't see many people riled up over it. For the most part they are explaining what they like about NASCAR.

BTW you have to admit that F1 drivers are a bunch of Prima Donna's. I know this so that's why their comments rarely strike home with me.

Hmm, maybe I'll stroll on over to a nascar message board and see if that's true or not.

You don't want to do that. It's worse than the video forum here.

 

[davew0670]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
As a person that watches both I will say they are both boring as hell to watch . With F1 there is no passing other then in the pits and in Nascar they are just going around in circles so they both suck get over it. I dont' know why I watch either of them other then there is nothing better on.

Boring?? You think going 190 MPH inches away from another cars bumper or side panel is boring. NASCAR is insane, Bump Drafting and spinning out other drivers at 180+mph to get ahead of them ala Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart in 3500 LBS 700 HP Machines? (BTW Stewart was an IRL Champ before he switched over too NASCAR) Hell even the Pit Stops can be exciting with cars falling off jacks and race officials getting clipped by cars trying to get back out on the track before the officials can get out of the way. And the race strategy can be finger nail biting trying to calculate if they can finish on the amount of fuel they have left in the tank or whether to pit and change tires and hope the tires will last and not blow sending the car into the wall or another car at 190 MPH.

I'm always amazed at the skill of NASCAR drivers, especially when they avoid other cars right in front of them spinning out. It's almost unbelievable how so many of them avoid plowing into another car which has wrecked right in front of them.

In addition NASCAR on HD with Dolby is the best TV has to offer when it comes to that technology, it really shows what your Home Theater setup can offer.

I think it's boring as hell. I've watched some of the racing but the thing about it is, you tune in at lap 10 and then again at lap 110 and then again at lap 180 and you see the same damned thing...cars going around in a big circle at high speeds. I can't stand oval racing. Oh, and I've been to an oval track race too!!!

I'll admit that there are a few tracks on the F1 calendar that produce some pretty boring races but there are others that simply shine. Tracks like Spa and Imola even Canada, Japan and Brazil. I even love Monte Carlo even though there is no very little chance to pass there. To me there is nothing as exciting as the start of a Formula One race either.

I'm sure Schumacher's comments will draw the ire of rednecks everywhere though. It will be entertaining to watch the response from idiot rednecks to his opinion...which I happen to agree with.

Jules I'm trying to be nice to you but if you insist on calling NASCAR fans like myself Red Neck Idiots like you are somehow more intellectual or sophisticated then I think you are being delusional about yourself. I don't have a problem with you not liking it or finding it boring but I do have a problem with you insulting those of us who do like it because of all the nuances and intricacies along with the thrills that you don't seem to get.

Alright, sorry about the idiot redneck comment, I'll edit my post. I just think it's funny that a bunch of nascar fans are getting all riled up about what he said...or what was quoted in the press anyway. It could be that this was taken out of context but you'll never hear anyone say that in the media.

I am not even a Schumacher fan. I hope he loses this year, just like last year. In fact, I'd like to see Kimi Raikkonen go to Ferrari and beat Schumacher next year in the same car. That would be awesome!

Funny, I don't see many people riled up over it. For the most part they are explaining what they like about NASCAR.

BTW you have to admit that F1 drivers are a bunch of Prima Donna's. I know this so that's why their comments rarely strike home with me.

Hmm, maybe I'll stroll on over to a nascar message board and see if that's true or not.

dont waste your time. Ive enver found one with any sort of intellignet conversation. This thread is better than anything ive come across. Unless you like hearing how dale jr is the greatest driver ever.

dale jr = danica patrick..except he has some wins

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron
NASCAR is about the driver, not the car


He wouldn't want to do it because he'd be forced onto an even playing field,
unlike his current Ferrari situation that allows him to dominate

so what you're saying is that racing in nascar would be more challenging than racing in F1?

and no ferrari is not #1

Would you say the Tour de France is more challenging right now than it
would be if one person was allowed to use a motorcycle ?

like i said, if ferrari does indeed has an insane amount of advantage over other teams, they would be the first constructor by now. and if you think... wouldn't Felipe Massa get the advantage as well?

you gotta admit he's right... racing in an oval in cars that are set up to go straight is pretty damn boring.

"Of course, the actual manuevering of the car is probably more difficult ...
however, that does not mean winning the race is more challenging "

so similarly, calculating a math equation that's more difficult doesn't mean solving the problem is more challenging?

Actually, the cars are not set up to go straight. They are set up to take the turns. So when they are on the straight away's the driver is always fighting the car. Learn about the sport before you start to bash it.