NASCAR fans

[thedarkwolf]

As a person that watches both I will say they are both boring as hell to watch . With F1 there is no passing other then in the pits and in Nascar they are just going around in circles so they both suck get over it. I dont' know why I watch either of them other then there is nothing better on.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
As a person that watches both I will say they are both boring as hell to watch . With F1 there is no passing other then in the pits and in Nascar they are just going around in circles so they both suck get over it. I dont' know why I watch either of them other then there is nothing better on.

do you like baseball ? just curios

 

[JonTheBaller]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
As a person that watches both I will say they are both boring as hell to watch . With F1 there is no passing other then in the pits and in Nascar they are just going around in circles so they both suck get over it. I dont' know why I watch either of them other then there is nothing better on.

So you must atleast enjoy Nascar at infineon and watkins glen, right?

 

[thedarkwolf]

The only tracks I really don't like in Nascar are the 1.5 milers so only every other race bores the living hell out of me now. The one thing F1 has atleast on Speed Channel is good announcers. Those guys aren't afraid to bad mouth/make fun of drivers, teams, the track, or the sanctioning body. I hate the Fox and NBC Nascar announcers.

 

[RedArmy]

No Im pretty sure anyone who has watched NASCAR once has a clue. It's probably the most boring racing you can watch on TV. It's even hard to tell the cars apart and what company is responsible for their build since everything is so similiar unlike back in the day when it was much easier to differentiate Ford from Chevy and every company had their own style. Im not a fan of watching cars go around a circle 500 times. Check out the definition of NASCAR on urbandictionary.com if you need to see the relevance of this.

F1>NASCAR

 

[thedarkwolf]

All the f1 cars look a lot alike too other then the color.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

What both need are some turtle shells and banana peels to throw at your opponent. Then you have a race.

 

[SophalotJack]

Originally posted by: deftron
NASCAR is about the driver, not the car


He wouldn't want to do it because he'd be forced onto an even playing field,
unlike his current Ferrari situation that allows him to dominate

You do know that Schumy is the highest paid athlete (if you want to call it that) in the known world, right? That includes any and every competition based activity... ever.

So much for it not being about the driver.

Good try, though.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: deftron
NASCAR is about the driver, not the car


He wouldn't want to do it because he'd be forced onto an even playing field,
unlike his current Ferrari situation that allows him to dominate

You do know that Schumy is the highest paid athlete (if you want to call it that) in the known world, right? That includes any and every competition based activity... ever.

So much for it not being about the driver.

Good try, though.

Stick Schumy in one of the Super Aguri or even one of the mid pack teams and see how he does. Schumy may very well be the best driver in the world but he is also in one of the best race cars in the world. In the Nascar world the car is still important but the difference between a 1st place car and last are a hell of a lot closer.

 

[SophalotJack]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: deftron
NASCAR is about the driver, not the car


He wouldn't want to do it because he'd be forced onto an even playing field,
unlike his current Ferrari situation that allows him to dominate

You do know that Schumy is the highest paid athlete (if you want to call it that) in the known world, right? That includes any and every competition based activity... ever.

So much for it not being about the driver.

Good try, though.

Stick Schumy in one of the Super Aguri or even one of the mid pack teams and see how he does. Schumy may very well be the best driver in the world but he is also in one of the best race cars in the world. In the Nascar world the car is still important but the difference between a 1st place car and last are a hell of a lot closer.

Shume would do better switching to NASCAR than anyone from NASCAR would switching to F1... especially Shume's car.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: deftron
NASCAR is about the driver, not the car


He wouldn't want to do it because he'd be forced onto an even playing field,
unlike his current Ferrari situation that allows him to dominate

You do know that Schumy is the highest paid athlete (if you want to call it that) in the known world, right? That includes any and every competition based activity... ever.

So much for it not being about the driver.

Good try, though.

Stick Schumy in one of the Super Aguri or even one of the mid pack teams and see how he does. Schumy may very well be the best driver in the world but he is also in one of the best race cars in the world. In the Nascar world the car is still important but the difference between a 1st place car and last are a hell of a lot closer.

Shume would do better switching to NASCAR than anyone from NASCAR would switching to F1... especially Shume's car.

I agree but Shume wouldn't dominate in Nascar like he has in the past in F1. The cars are way to close in performance to allow that to happen. He would just be another Jeff Gordon or Toney Stewart in Nascar.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
As a person that watches both I will say they are both boring as hell to watch . With F1 there is no passing other then in the pits and in Nascar they are just going around in circles so they both suck get over it. I dont' know why I watch either of them other then there is nothing better on.

Boring?? You think going 190 MPH inches away from another cars bumper or side panel is boring. NASCAR is insane, Bump Drafting and spinning out other drivers at 180+mph to get ahead of them ala Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart in 3500 LBS 700 HP Machines? (BTW Stewart was an IRL Champ before he switched over too NASCAR) Hell even the Pit Stops can be exciting with cars falling off jacks and race officials getting clipped by cars trying to get back out on the track before the officials can get out of the way. And the race strategy can be finger nail biting trying to calculate if they can finish on the amount of fuel they have left in the tank or whether to pit and change tires and hope the tires will last and not blow sending the car into the wall or another car at 190 MPH.

I'm always amazed at the skill of NASCAR drivers, especially when they avoid other cars right in front of them spinning out. It's almost unbelievable how so many of them avoid plowing into another car which has wrecked right in front of them.


In addition NASCAR on HD with Dolby is the best TV has to offer when it comes to that technology, it really shows what your Home Theater setup can offer.

 

[Tommouse]

I think everyone can agree that if NASCAR did more road courses it would be a lot more entertaining. Right now they only do two. I'm sure there are some other road courses in the states that they could race on. Laguna Seca would make for an interesting race.

I don't find people 3 inches apart going at high speeds in circles entertaining. I'm sure it's challenging but I find road courses with both left AND right turns to be more enjoyable.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Tommouse
I think everyone can agree that if NASCAR did more road courses it would be a lot more entertaining. Right now they only do two. I'm sure there are some other road courses in the states that they could race on. Laguna Seca would make for an interesting race.

I don't find people 3 inches apart going at high speeds in circles entertaining. I'm sure it's challenging but I find road courses with both left AND right turns to be more enjoyable.

I don't, the ovals are much more exciting as they offer more opportunities for passing and side by side racing, sometimes 3 wide. Most of the time on road courses it's single file racing. It's still cool but not as fun to watch as oval tracks.

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

i for one find the team cars being different in F1 to be interesting...it gets back to the old days of racing when you used your own car with mods you and your team did yourselves. If everyone has an equal playing field, it's boring, like checkers or something. Look at every athletic racing competition, they are determined by the athlete's conditioning

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
i for one find the team cars being different in F1 to be interesting

Unfortuanjtely for the sport not many Americans share your love for F1.

I like it, though not as much as NASCAR, but I like all auto racing.

 

[tm37]

My fav race to watch is bristol.

Sorry but that is a display of machinery as well as guts.

Sure driving around in a circle may be "boring" but 43 cars driving around in a circle passing, bumping, and such is exciting

 

[Abel007]

I fail to see why there is so much antimosity towards NASCAR. Everyone has opinions about all sports. I personally hate the NBA but I don't come on here calling people different colors of trash and telling them they are wrong and that their sport is boring. NASCAR is a great AMERICAN sport that has grown leaps and bounds over the last 15 or so years and is great fun to watch and attend, and as Red Dawn said, NASCAR is AWESOME in HD Dolby Surround. :thumbsup:

Back to the topic, Shumacher probably wouldn't get a warm welcome to NASCAR anyways just as Montoya undoubtedly won't (I think he'll do fine in the sport however). With that being said, Schumacher is an excellent driver and knows how to win. He has done it for many years and is very dominant in his own sport. Its fine that he finds NASCAR boring, I don't really care what he thinks nor should anyone else. Hes German, not American...he simply doesn't get it. I also like how he "can't see" the excitement yet has never tried it.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

NASCAR:
Races are between 250 and 600 miles.
The rules are setup so the cars are as even as possible.
There are 43 cars.
There is an opportunity to pass atleast every 20 seconds.
Fans can watch pretty much the whole track from the stands.
The drivers are holding the car on the edge of traction for about half of the race.
The teams can dismantle every part of the car and repair it. Including the engine.

F1:
The longest race is 135MPH
20 drivers (10 teams)*
The cars are on the edge of traction for a very short time.
The teams are NOT allowed to take the engines apart (because of agreements with the companies that make the engines)


If you stuck 43 F1 cars on Bristol, and had them race 500 laps, how many do you think would finish the race?

*except at Indy. When only SIX cars raced.

 

[davew0670]

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: deftron
NASCAR is about the driver, not the car


He wouldn't want to do it because he'd be forced onto an even playing field,
unlike his current Ferrari situation that allows him to dominate

so what you're saying is that racing in nascar would be more challenging than racing in F1?

and no ferrari is not #1

Would you say the Tour de France is more challenging right now than it
would be if one person was allowed to use a motorcycle ?

like i said, if ferrari does indeed has an insane amount of advantage over other teams, they would be the first constructor by now. and if you think... wouldn't Felipe Massa get the advantage as well?

you gotta admit he's right... racing in an oval in cars that are set up to go straight is pretty damn boring.

I never said it was interesting.

I'm saying Schumacher's claim there is no challenge is false.

If everyone is on the same playing field, beating the guy next to you is more challenging.


People seem to forget Nascar races have like 40 drivers, and for the most part,
the remain just a few inches from each other the whole race. However, the same guys
usually win. They just know when to take subtle advantages.


If it was one car going around the track, I see your argument ... no challenge.

11 different drivers in 18 races have won in nascar.

3 different drivers have won all 11 f1 races and one driver has only won once with the other 2 winning the remaining 10. sounds exciting!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
NASCAR:

The rules are setup so the cars are as even as possible.

And the pit crews try to give the drivers an advantage by adjusting sway bars and tire pressure. If they screw up and make the car to tight or to loose then the car can lose a lot of ground or even wreck. There is a lot of communication between the driver and the Crew Boss when the car is out on the track with the driver describing how the car reacts in corners, in traffic or in the lead (clean air). It's up to the Crew Boss to try and figure out what kind of adjustments to make or not to make to have the car perform at it's best.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
NASCAR:

The rules are setup so the cars are as even as possible.

And the pit crews try to give the drivers an advantage by adjusting sway bars and tire pressure. If they screw up and make the car to tight or to loose then the car can lose a lot of ground or even wreck. There is a lot of communication between the driver and the Crew Boss when the car is out on the track with the driver describing how the car reacts in corners, in traffic or in the lead (clean air). It's up to the Crew Boss to try and figure out what kind of adjustments to make or not to make to have the car perform at it's best.

Yup. A car can be damned near undrivable at the beginning of the race, but then the team can work on it and make it a winning ride.

 

[davew0670]

and nascar drivers dont have a light that blinks so they know when to change gears:roll:

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: davew0670
and nascar drivers dont have a light that blinks so they know when to change gears:roll:

And "launch control" which takes a rather tricky part of driving and changes it to "press a button" and pit speed control with is "press another button"

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
NASCAR:

The rules are setup so the cars are as even as possible.

And the pit crews try to give the drivers an advantage by adjusting sway bars and tire pressure. If they screw up and make the car to tight or to loose then the car can lose a lot of ground or even wreck. There is a lot of communication between the driver and the Crew Boss when the car is out on the track with the driver describing how the car reacts in corners, in traffic or in the lead (clean air). It's up to the Crew Boss to try and figure out what kind of adjustments to make or not to make to have the car perform at it's best.

Yup. A car can be damned near undrivable at the beginning of the race, but then the team can work on it and make it a winning ride.

Yep, NASCAR is as much about teamwork as it is about the driver and the car. It's also very high tech, with almost all those in the crews having Engineering degrees.