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NASCAR banning confederate flag at all events and properties

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I do agree that HBO dropping Gone With the Wind is ridiculous, but on the flip-side, it does help raise awareness. It gets people talking, and HBO isn't the only place to watch it. Private companies can do whatever they want.
 
So you think HBO is permanently banning the movie on their platform? Again this is also helping drive awareness.
I just checked Amazon and they still have it up so movie not burnt. I can check some other platform if you needed.


What else you got?

I agree it isn't "burning".

HBO removing Gone with the wind, Tearing down statues all over the country, banning flags, changing names of bands streets ... None of this is fixing any problems we may have. That is what brought about my comment that everybody seems to be bothered by.

It is however political correctness gone way overboard and stupid. It is basically political ass kissing.
 
I do agree that HBO dropping Gone With the Wind is ridiculous, but on the flip-side, it does help raise awareness. It gets people talking, and HBO isn't the only place to watch it. Private companies can do whatever they want.

Then we agree. But if people are not aware with all the bull shit going today then they never will be.
 
I agree it isn't "burning".

HBO removing Gone with the wind, Tearing down statues all over the country, banning flags, changing names of bands streets ... None of this is fixing any problems we may have. That is what brought about my comment that everybody seems to be bothered by.

It is however political correctness gone way overboard and stupid. It is basically political ass kissing.

As you are replying to me how could you possible thing that is what I am bothered by? Also it seem like you are now trying to drag the conversation in circles. Is that intentional?
 
As you are replying to me how could you possible thing that is what I am bothered by? Also it seem like you are now trying to drag the conversation in circles. Is that intentional?

You seem to think banning movies, renaming things as they use unacceptable words, tearing down statues and such is actually going to accomplish anything.

It is only political correctness gone overboard.
 
You seem to think banning movies, renaming things as they use unacceptable words, tearing down statues and such is actually going to accomplish anything.

It is only political correctness gone overboard.
Now you clearly have ignored earlier comments I made. I was very clear and you don't seem to be interested in an honest conversation.
 
Wow, If you think that you are dumber than I thought you were. I don't know how you managed to twist that out of my post.

I have never said anything remotely like that.

My comment was in response to removing the word Antebellum from the name of the group. It has no derogatory meaning. It is just a time period, pre-civil war era. It is stupid as dumping the movie Gone with the wind.

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Who, me?
 
You seem to think banning movies, renaming things as they use unacceptable words, tearing down statues and such is actually going to accomplish anything.

It is only political correctness gone overboard.
The band can change their name however they want. Not sure why you seem so butt hurt over someone else exercising their freedom. Maybe you can start your own slavery fun time band.
 
You seem to think banning movies, renaming things as they use unacceptable words, tearing down statues and such is actually going to accomplish anything.

It is only political correctness gone overboard.
Funny thing about this 'political' correctness is that it's mostly just public opinion.
 
I guess I will never "Get It". I really don't think that I want to get it.

yes, we know. 😀

I know there are a lot of injustices towards African Americans or people of color. That deserves to be in the spotlight and needs to be corrected.

The movie Gone with the wind and the musical group Lady Antebellum are not the problem, History isn't the problem, Flags and Statues are not the problem. Improper law enforcement and not holding police accountable for these improper actions are the problem.

basically, you are correct here. The thing is though that you don't seem to accept that problematic cultural references that have long been accepted as normal representations of these things, actually feed the problems of injustice. This is, literally, what systemic racism is. Jim Crow survived long, long after the Civil War as not only a legal injustice, but even today as a largely mental and unaccountable institutional paradigm because the "quaint images of the happy negress" ...literally colored our interpretation of how tolerable it was to subjugate Africans for so long. "See, it really wasn't bad back then, right? They should only be so happy, now!" I mean, you literally hear that argument to this day--the patent lies about the realities of slavery. Today's injustice can only continue if the culture largely believes in the truth of these complete fabrications about a fake past.

Does that make sense to you? It absolutely colors everything.


My thoughts on Gone with the wind are it is a fictional movie made from a fictional novel. If you don't like it don't watch the movie or read the book. Christ this isn't hard. I fucking hate rap music that uses the same words and phrases that would cause a riot if i used them in the same casual manner.

Oh well that is life I guess. I'm glad I don't go through life constantly looking for some perceived wrong that needs to be righted. I'm sure it must be exhausting.

You propose simple solutions for complex problems (well, if you don't like it, just don't look at it!), which is why your ideas never work, and exactly why problems persist. I don't support outright banning of these things. I think it's ridiculous. Banning Margaret Mitchell, yes, doesn't solve anything. In fact, we should keep them around as historical examples of how shitty we've been but, more importantly--how we can become better. ....these things also aren't always treated as works of fiction. Hell, they stand in as "video lessons" for kids taking lazy history classes. Yes, we watched this shit in the south. It's simply fucking fucked-up to pervert young brains like that...BUT--it should be presented in context. That's the key. These things can be valuable tools, but they can't be used as myth-making propaganda.

You mistake social upheaval and the progress towards greater egalitarianism as "going through life constantly looking for perceived wrongs that need to be righted." ...that's ridiculous. No one really does that. People recognized real problems, and work to address them. Hell, that statement alone is the fucking essence of white privilege. You simply don't fucking get it, and don't care to fucking get it (As you admitted), because no fucking wrong has ever been done to you. You won't accept the plain truth that you were born on the 3rd base of social status and it will never be any other way for you, or for me for that matter. It's just a fucking fact.
 
The band can change their name however they want. Not sure why you seem so butt hurt over someone else exercising their freedom. Maybe you can start your own slavery fun time band.
He (and most 'conservatives') don't see this as people exercising their freedom. They assume that people have to be forced into doing this kind of stuff that involves not being dicks. They believe that govt is shoving this PC down their throats even as no such laws are being passed and they control the freakin govt. They even think businesses lose money being 'woke,' if you can believe that.
 
He (and most 'conservatives') don't see this as people exercising their freedom. They assume that people have to be forced into doing this kind of stuff that involves not being dicks. They believe that govt is shoving this PC down their throats even as no such laws are being passed and they control the freakin govt. They even think businesses lose money being 'woke,' if you can believe that.

True and in the band's case, based on the buzz on the internet their fans don't like the move. I would assume they knew that going in but chose to use their 1st amendment right to express how they feel. knocking them for that seems unpatriotic.

So we are over 110 post in and we can all agree that this was a good move by NASCAR and one that is probably long overdue? I have read no valid arguments to the counter.
 
True and in the band's case, based on the buzz on the internet their fans don't like the move. I would assume they knew that going in but chose to use their 1st amendment right to express how they feel. knocking them for that seems unpatriotic.

So we are over 110 post in and we can all agree that this was a good move by NASCAR and one that is probably long overdue? I have read no valid arguments to the counter.
Well except the one that banning flags at a car race is the same as burning books and trying wipe out history.
 
I guess I will never "Get It". I really don't think that I want to get it.

This is the most universally accurate thing you have ever posted. Every time you're in a thread arguing against the masses, just remember these words. Maybe they could be a new mantra? Or perhaps better yet, maybe you could spend some time trying to understand why you don't get it, and why you don't want to and hope for change. This is far more broadly applying than just this thread.
 
You seem to think banning movies, renaming things as they use unacceptable words, tearing down statues and such is actually going to accomplish anything.

It is only political correctness gone overboard.

In isolation they won't accomplish anything, but those things are all linked to the changes happening in society.

A generation will erect statues and monuments of things they admire; later generations will tear them down and erect their own. This has happened since civilisation started and it will continue in the future.

It's not political correctness, it's history.
 
The band can change their name however they want. Not sure why you seem so butt hurt over someone else exercising their freedom. Maybe you can start your own slavery fun time band.

Funny thing about this 'political' correctness is that it's mostly just public opinion.

He (and most 'conservatives') don't see this as people exercising their freedom. They assume that people have to be forced into doing this kind of stuff that involves not being dicks. They believe that govt is shoving this PC down their throats even as no such laws are being passed and they control the freakin govt. They even think businesses lose money being 'woke,' if you can believe that.

I never said anything about their rights to change their name as they see fit. I am speaking about the pressure to do such a thing. Formed the group in 2006 and were fine with it for 14 years.

It is now the culture to cancel and ban things. Pretty slippery slope in my opinion.

I never felt it was the government doing any of this crap.
 
This is the most universally accurate thing you have ever posted. Every time you're in a thread arguing against the masses, just remember these words. Maybe they could be a new mantra? Or perhaps better yet, maybe you could spend some time trying to understand why you don't get it, and why you don't want to and hope for change. This is far more broadly applying than just this thread.


I hate to pop your bubble. Well actually I don't hate it. But the majority on this message board does not equal "The Masses".
 
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