• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

NASCAR banning confederate flag at all events and properties

Page 4 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
fskimospy said:
The strange thing here is that I think you believe a world in which we DON'T honor people who committed treason in order to protect the ability to own other humans as property is the insane one.
Click to expand...

Wow, If you think that you are dumber than I thought you were. I don't know how you managed to twist that out of my post.

I have never said anything remotely like that.

My comment was in response to removing the word Antebellum from the name of the group. It has no derogatory meaning. It is just a time period, pre-civil war era. It is stupid as dumping the movie Gone with the wind.

🙄
 
pcgeek11 said:
Why would they need to remove the word Antebellum from their name? It is only a time period.

Politically Correct on Steroids. As well as dumping Gone with the wind.
Click to expand...

There's that age thing again--you just don't appreciate the inherent racism that is, quite specifically, Gone with the Wind, and the overall treatment of the antebellum south as a "pure, woe-be-gotten" time that was a tragic, tragic loss. My grandma was all into that shit. The portrayal of the loyal, loving negress, that was "as much a part of the family, and her love for being a kept slave woman. See--it wasn't that bad for the negroes!"

It sounds like you just don't understand how preposterously insulting it is, to a vast swatch of the citizens in this country, to lionize this time and place in American history.

I'm guessing you don't understand what the term "whitewashing" means--you either don't care, or will decide it means something that it clearly doesn't--but this is exactly what white washing means.

My grandmother fucking loved Margaret Mitchell. Grandma always pined for her lost plantation days (yes, she was pretty much raised that way). It makes sense--she was a colossal racist.

...the word, on it own, simply means "before the war." Yes, you are correct. But you have to understand--of course, you won't. you don't care--that there is a very real treatment of "The antebellum south." That is what Gone with the Wind is --a complete fucking lie--and Lady Antebellum, they get to make their own choice, don't you think--they know exactly what that term implies, about that Margaret Mitchell vision of the antebellum south. How quaint and pastoral and wonderful it was. That is what it means. They get it. You don't.
 
zinfamous said:
There's that age thing again--you just don't appreciate the inherent racism that is, quite specifically, Gone with the Wind, and the overall treatment of the antebellum south as a "pure, woe-be-gotten" time that was a tragic, tragic loss. My grandma was all into that shit. The portrayal of the loyal, loving negress, that was "as much a part of the family, and her love for being a kept slave woman. See--it wasn't that bad for the negroes!"

It sounds like you just don't understand how preposterously insulting it is, to a vast swatch of the citizens in this country, to lionize this time and place in American history.

I'm guessing you don't understand what the term "whitewashing" means--you either don't care, or will decide it means something that it clearly doesn't--but this is exactly what white washing means.

My grandmother fucking loved Margaret Mitchell. Grandma always pined for her lost plantation days (yes, she was pretty much raised that way). It makes sense--she was a colossal racist.

...the word, on it own, simply means "before the war." Yes, you are correct. But you have to understand--of course, you won't. you don't care--that there is a very real treatment of "The antebellum south." That is what Gone with the Wind is --a complete fucking lie--and Lady Antebellum, they get to make their own choice, don't you think--they know exactly what that term implies, about that Margaret Mitchell vision of the antebellum south. How quaint and pastoral and wonderful it was. That is what it means. They get it. You don't.
Click to expand...


I guess I will never "Get It". I really don't think that I want to get it.

I know there are a lot of injustices towards African Americans or people of color. That deserves to be in the spotlight and needs to be corrected.

The movie Gone with the wind and the musical group Lady Antebellum are not the problem, History isn't the problem, Flags and Statues are not the problem. Improper law enforcement and not holding police accountable for these improper actions are the problem.

My thoughts on Gone with the wind are it is a fictional movie made from a fictional novel. If you don't like it don't watch the movie or read the book. Christ this isn't hard. I fucking hate rap music that uses the same words and phrases that would cause a riot if i used them in the same casual manner.

Oh well that is life I guess. I'm glad I don't go through life constantly looking for some perceived wrong that needs to be righted. I'm sure it must be exhausting.
 
pcgeek11 said:
Lordy.

The world has gone insane.
Click to expand...
How so? Seems like they realized the word has some negative associations and that they want no part of . It also sounds like they want to show support for the black community. Isn't that just them showing their american spirit? We all have the right to share our opinions and that is what they are doing.

This was brave for them considering they will probably lose a ton of fan over it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1271094931227119620
 
Last edited:
zzyzxroad said:
How so? Seems like they realized the word has some negative associations and that they wan no part of . It also sounds like they want to show support for the black community. Isn't that just them showing their american spirit? We all have the right to share our opinions and that is what they are doing.

This was brave for them considering they will probably lose a ton of fan over it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1271094931227119620
Click to expand...


You know what the stark reality is.

You can tear down all the statues of the past, burn all the books of the past, ban all the movies of the past, delete all the words of the past. It won't change a fucking thing as the real problems will exist as the above listed items are not the problem. The problem is human nature. The tide is slowly turning, but destroying inanimate objects and words does nothing. No matter how you try you cannot undo your past history you can however learn from it.
 
pcgeek11 said:
You know what the stark reality is.

You can tear down all the statues of the past, burn all the books of the past, ban all the movies of the past, delete all the words of the past. It won't change a fucking thing as the real problems will exist as the above listed items are not the problem. The problem is human nature. The tide is slowly turning, but destroying inanimate objects and words does nothing. No matter how you try you cannot undo your past history you can however learn from it.
Click to expand...

You seem to have completely missed the point Gesture are not going to change anything do you honestly believe anyone thinks that? They will help bring about a discussion that needs to be had. Things like this are a signal to our entire society to acknowledge we have a problem that needs to be fixed. Admitting you have a problem is step one.

Is that 100% clear to you now?
Do you think we have a problem at all?
 
pcgeek11 said:
You know what the stark reality is.

You can tear down all the statues of the past, burn all the books of the past, ban all the movies of the past, delete all the words of the past. It won't change a fucking thing as the real problems will exist as the above listed items are not the problem. The problem is human nature. The tide is slowly turning, but destroying inanimate objects and words does nothing. No matter how you try you cannot undo your past history you can however learn from it.
Click to expand...

Nobody ever said that tearing down statues or changing names would solve any problems. But they are the first steps to getting there; you can't really move past something if you keep idolizing it.
 
zzyzxroad said:
You seem to have completely missed the point Gesture are not going to change anything do you honestly believe anyone thinks that? They will help bring about a discussion that needs to be had. Things like this are a signal to our entire society to acknowledge we have a problem that needs to be fixed. Admitting you have a problem is step one.

Is that 100% clear to you now?
Do you think we have a problem at all?
Click to expand...


Everybody knows there is a problem.

Erasing the past isn't doing anything to help.
 
snoopy7548 said:
Nobody ever said that tearing down statues or changing names would solve any problems. But they are the first steps to getting there; you can't really move past something if you keep idolizing it.
Click to expand...


Well fuck. We need to get busy then.

We got a lot of books and movies to burn. 😱

Sounds like Fahrenheit 451.
 
pcgeek11 said:
You are blind.
Click to expand...
How is NASCAR banning a racist flag from being used in association with their brand erasing the past? You know what it does do, draw attention to the fact that we have a problem. This thread is proof of that.

Many people do not agree that we have a problem and need to be convinced so we can start working on the actual fixing.
 
pcgeek11 said:
Well fuck. We need to get busy then.

We got a lot of books and movies to burn. 😱

Sounds like Fahrenheit 451.
Click to expand...

There's a stark difference between idolizing and remembering. Movies and books give us a look into how things were and force you to reflect on those times.

Nobody worships books and movies. People don't plaster their trucks with book covers.

Statues and flags of hate belong in a museum, not out on display in public.
 
snoopy7548 said:
There's a stark difference between idolizing and remembering. Movies and books give us a look into how things were and force you to reflect on those times.

Nobody worships books and movies. People don't plaster their trucks with book covers.

Statues and flags of hate belong in a museum, not out on display in public.
Click to expand...
yea what an odd reply. Books and Documentaries are actually a great place for the history. Might as well just use the old we need to get rid off all statues and monuments argument.
 
pcgeek11 said:
This is my reference for the movie banning.

www.theguardian.com

Gone With the Wind dropped from HBO Max over depiction of slavery

Temporary move followed call by 12 Years a Slave scriptwriter John Ridley for streaming services to review content that is ‘blatant in its demonisation’ of race
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
Click to expand...


So you think HBO is permanently banning the movie on their platform? Again this is also helping drive awareness.
I just checked Amazon and they still have it up so movie not burnt. I can check some other platform if you needed.


What else you got?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Back
Top