NASA publishes first 3rd party benches of Apple G5 machine vs. P4.

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: EdipisReks
What do you think the G5 is gonna do when it starts out rather nice and is backed by both IBM and Apple who want the speeds to increase as quickly as possible?

I dunno ... get bent over the proverbial aluminum chassis by AMD's speed-ramping of the Opteron?

- M4H

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: EdipisReks
what irritates me about the responses from people on this thread is that nobody seems to remember anything. when the Pentium IV came out, it got thumped because nothing had been recompiled for it. of course, 3 years later with multiple revisions and total industry support, the PIV is the fastest desktop x86 processor. the G5 has not quite come out yet, and there is no optimization for it at a software level. however, this non supported, first revision chip is far from being thumped, and will only get better and better. if the PIV started out a dog and ended up prom queen, what do you think the G5 is gonna do when it starts out rather nice and is backed by both IBM and Apple who want the speeds to increase as quickly as possible?

Uhh, no. The P4 wa designed with high clock speeds in mind with lower IPC. When it was released the clock speeds weren't high enough to overcome the lower IPC. If you ran today's software with first generation P4's, they wouldn't be any faster now then they were then.

of course, you conveniently forget that software being recompiled to be SSE2 aware gave the first generation P4's a huge increase in performance. if compiler optimizations weren't very important for the Pentium IV, there wouldn't have been a big assplosion all over the internet about the Apple WWDC bakeoff.

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: EdipisReks
What do you think the G5 is gonna do when it starts out rather nice and is backed by both IBM and Apple who want the speeds to increase as quickly as possible?

I dunno ... get bent over the proverbial aluminum chassis by AMD's speed-ramping of the Opteron?

- M4H

i haven't seen any speed ramping.

[edit: if they are able to ramp Opteron, and especially Athlon64, i'll probably replace my Pentium IV box with an Athlon64 instead of a Prescott in 6 months or so]

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: EdipisReks

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: EdipisReks
what irritates me about the responses from people on this thread is that nobody seems to remember anything. when the Pentium IV came out, it got thumped because nothing had been recompiled for it. of course, 3 years later with multiple revisions and total industry support, the PIV is the fastest desktop x86 processor. the G5 has not quite come out yet, and there is no optimization for it at a software level. however, this non supported, first revision chip is far from being thumped, and will only get better and better. if the PIV started out a dog and ended up prom queen, what do you think the G5 is gonna do when it starts out rather nice and is backed by both IBM and Apple who want the speeds to increase as quickly as possible?

Uhh, no. The P4 wa designed with high clock speeds in mind with lower IPC. When it was released the clock speeds weren't high enough to overcome the lower IPC. If you ran today's software with first generation P4's, they wouldn't be any faster now then they were then.

of course, you conveniently forget that software being recompiled to be SSE2 aware gave the first generation P4's a huge increase in performance.

Must be. I don't recall any such speed boost for the original P4's. They were terrible CPU's. The P4 didn't hit the big time until Northwood which could attribute better performance to hardware improvements far more than software optimization.

 

[Nebor]

So then, we're all together in thinking that Apples are high style cutesy machines, good for your young teen daughter to play Barbie's Mall Adventure on? Although w/ that weak GFX 5600, you couldn't render Barbie in 1600x1200 and 4xS AA....

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: EdipisReks

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: EdipisReks
what irritates me about the responses from people on this thread is that nobody seems to remember anything. when the Pentium IV came out, it got thumped because nothing had been recompiled for it. of course, 3 years later with multiple revisions and total industry support, the PIV is the fastest desktop x86 processor. the G5 has not quite come out yet, and there is no optimization for it at a software level. however, this non supported, first revision chip is far from being thumped, and will only get better and better. if the PIV started out a dog and ended up prom queen, what do you think the G5 is gonna do when it starts out rather nice and is backed by both IBM and Apple who want the speeds to increase as quickly as possible?

Uhh, no. The P4 wa designed with high clock speeds in mind with lower IPC. When it was released the clock speeds weren't high enough to overcome the lower IPC. If you ran today's software with first generation P4's, they wouldn't be any faster now then they were then.

of course, you conveniently forget that software being recompiled to be SSE2 aware gave the first generation P4's a huge increase in performance.

Must be. I don't recall any such speed boost for the original P4's. They were terrible CPU's. The P4 didn't hit the big time until Northwood which could attribute better performance to hardware improvements far more than software optimization.

believe me, new SSE2 aware compilers made a big difference with the first generation PIV's. 3dstudio went from being crappy to almost useable once PIV optimized versions came out. the Northwood was the chip that intel wanted to release to begin with. shame AMD pushed them so hard .

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: Nebor
So then, we're all together in thinking that Apples are high style cutesy machines, good for your young teen daughter to play Barbie's Mall Adventure on? Although w/ that weak GFX 5600, you couldn't render Barbie in 1600x1200 and 4xS AA....

now we really need that tard emoticon.

 

[GL]

Originally posted by: EdipisReks
what irritates me about the responses from people on this thread is that nobody seems to remember anything. when the Pentium IV came out, it got thumped because nothing had been recompiled for it. of course, 3 years later with multiple revisions and total industry support, the PIV is the fastest desktop x86 processor. the G5 has not quite come out yet, and there is no optimization for it at a software level. however, this non supported, first revision chip is far from being thumped, and will only get better and better. if the PIV started out a dog and ended up prom queen, what do you think the G5 is gonna do when it starts out rather nice and is backed by both IBM and Apple who want the speeds to increase as quickly as possible?

At some point you have to stop caring what other people think. If you've got a Mac like I do, enjoy the hell out of it. We're entering a Macintosh Renaissance the likes of which hasn't been seen for more than a decade. Mac heads actually have a plethora of software to choose from, an ever-increasing portfolio of good videogames, and an operating system that is at the very least 2 years ahead of the competition. Now that a solid hardware foundation is in place, there's really no uniquely identifiable weakness on the Mac platform. Who cares what others think. You've got too much to enjoy on this side of the fence.

 

[Nebor]

Sorry, but Macs will never get fair play in my mind. I think of them more as an appliance than a computer... you're not really supposed to mod them or anything... THey just do what they do when you buy them.

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: GL

Originally posted by: EdipisReks
what irritates me about the responses from people on this thread is that nobody seems to remember anything. when the Pentium IV came out, it got thumped because nothing had been recompiled for it. of course, 3 years later with multiple revisions and total industry support, the PIV is the fastest desktop x86 processor. the G5 has not quite come out yet, and there is no optimization for it at a software level. however, this non supported, first revision chip is far from being thumped, and will only get better and better. if the PIV started out a dog and ended up prom queen, what do you think the G5 is gonna do when it starts out rather nice and is backed by both IBM and Apple who want the speeds to increase as quickly as possible?

At some point you have to stop caring what other people think. If you've got a Mac like I do, enjoy the hell out of it. We're entering a Macintosh Renaissance the likes of which hasn't been seen for more than a decade. Mac heads actually have a plethora of software to choose from, an ever-increasing portfolio of good videogames, and an operating system that is at the very least 2 years ahead of the competition. Now that a solid hardware foundation is in place, there's really no uniquely identifiable weakness on the Mac platform. Who cares what others think. You've got too much to enjoy on this side of the fence.

i know, i know, i know. i love my PowerBook to death, but it seems that some people are just willfully moronic.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: Nebor
So then, we're all together in thinking that Apples are high style cutesy machines, good for your young teen daughter to play Barbie's Mall Adventure on? Although w/ that weak GFX 5600, you couldn't render Barbie in 1600x1200 and 4xS AA....

Flame bait, but I'll just point out that the dual 2.0 tested comes with a Radeon 9600 Pro (upgradeable to 9800 Pro). The other machines come with the lowly GFX 5200 Ultra. You can upgrade to the Radeons, but there is no GFX 5600 option anywhere.

 

[Pariah]

believe me, new SSE2 aware compilers made a big difference with the first generation PIV's. 3dstudio went from being crappy to almost useable once PIV optimized versions came out. the Northwood was the chip that intel wanted to release to begin with. shame AMD pushed them so hard.

And your proof of this is where? How useful are 3D Studio benchmarks to the typical user?

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Sorry, but Macs will never get fair play in my mind. I think of them more as an appliance than a computer... you're not really supposed to mod them or anything... THey just do what they do when you buy them.

yeah, because all PC's are made for modders by modders. just look at Dell!

and there was never any such thing is an Apple modder..

 

[Nebor]

i know, i know, i know. i love my PowerBook to death, but it seems that some people are just willfully moronic.

I'd say happily naive. Even if a Mac was better in every way, I wouldn't want to know about it, or use it. Ever. It's the principal of the thing. I'm a mac hater, for life.

 

[Eug]

Edipis, again, don't get so worked about this. It's just a benchmark thread.

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: Pariah

believe me, new SSE2 aware compilers made a big difference with the first generation PIV's. 3dstudio went from being crappy to almost useable once PIV optimized versions came out. the Northwood was the chip that intel wanted to release to begin with. shame AMD pushed them so hard.

And your proof of this is where? How useful are 3D Studio benchmarks to the typical user?

lol. i didn't know that talking about software performance was sacrosanct around here. let me go turn off photoshop and run an infinite loop of 3dmark2003 so that i have the final word on how my computer performs. who cares about productivity here?

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: Nebor

i know, i know, i know. i love my PowerBook to death, but it seems that some people are just willfully moronic.

I'd say happily naive. Even if a Mac was better in every way, I wouldn't want to know about it, or use it. Ever. It's the principal of the thing. I'm a mac hater, for life.

that is about the most idiotic thing i have ever read.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: EdipisReks

Originally posted by: Nebor
Sorry, but Macs will never get fair play in my mind. I think of them more as an appliance than a computer... you're not really supposed to mod them or anything... THey just do what they do when you buy them.

yeah, because all PC's are made for modders by modders. just look at Dell!

and there was never any such thing is an Apple modder..

/clicks link

Let's see ... aesthetics, aesthetics, aesthetics, aesthetics with very minor usability, aesthetics ...

Reminds me of this website, but more expensive and less impressive.

- M4H

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: Eug
Edipis, again, don't get so worked about this. It's just a benchmark thread.

damn you, arguing on forums is the only way i get exercice. thanks to you i can't feel the burn any more. :|

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: EdipisReks

Originally posted by: Nebor
Sorry, but Macs will never get fair play in my mind. I think of them more as an appliance than a computer... you're not really supposed to mod them or anything... THey just do what they do when you buy them.

yeah, because all PC's are made for modders by modders. just look at Dell!

and there was never any such thing is an Apple modder..

I think he meant the Apple upgrade market is practically non existent. If a PC user has a 1700+ right now, for $85 they can get a very large performance improvement by getting a 2400+ without having to upgrade anything else. $85 won't get you jack in the Apple upgrade department which is why Apple will never catch the fancy of the "enthusiast" market. Few people want to have to throw out their computer and buy a whole new one every time they want to upgrade the system.

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: EdipisReks

Originally posted by: Nebor
Sorry, but Macs will never get fair play in my mind. I think of them more as an appliance than a computer... you're not really supposed to mod them or anything... THey just do what they do when you buy them.

yeah, because all PC's are made for modders by modders. just look at Dell!

and there was never any such thing is an Apple modder..

/clicks link

Let's see ... aesthetics, aesthetics, aesthetics, aesthetics with very minor usability, aesthetics ...

Reminds me of this website, but more expensive and less impressive.

- M4H

why don't you go do a google search on "g4 overclock"?

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: EdipisReks

Originally posted by: Pariah

believe me, new SSE2 aware compilers made a big difference with the first generation PIV's. 3dstudio went from being crappy to almost useable once PIV optimized versions came out. the Northwood was the chip that intel wanted to release to begin with. shame AMD pushed them so hard.

And your proof of this is where? How useful are 3D Studio benchmarks to the typical user?

lol. i didn't know that talking about software performance was sacrosanct around here. let me go turn off photoshop and run an infinite loop of 3dmark2003 so that i have the final word on how my computer performs. who cares about productivity here?

That was just about as idiotic as all the posts you've been ripping in this thread.

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: EdipisReks

Originally posted by: Nebor
Sorry, but Macs will never get fair play in my mind. I think of them more as an appliance than a computer... you're not really supposed to mod them or anything... THey just do what they do when you buy them.

yeah, because all PC's are made for modders by modders. just look at Dell!

and there was never any such thing is an Apple modder..

I think he meant the Apple upgrade market is practically non existent. If a PC user has a 1700+ right now, for $85 they can get a very large performance improvement by getting a 2400+ without having to upgrade anything else. $85 won't get you jack in the Apple upgrade department which is why Apple will never catch the fancy of the "enthusiast" market. Few people want to have to throw out their computer and buy a whole new one every time they want to upgrade the system.

actually, the Apple upgrade market is booming. go look for powerlogix, sonnet, etc. apple users replace their machines much less often than PC users do, so i don't know how the stigma about apple users throwing their machines away to upgrade came about.

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: EdipisReks

Originally posted by: Pariah

believe me, new SSE2 aware compilers made a big difference with the first generation PIV's. 3dstudio went from being crappy to almost useable once PIV optimized versions came out. the Northwood was the chip that intel wanted to release to begin with. shame AMD pushed them so hard.

And your proof of this is where? How useful are 3D Studio benchmarks to the typical user?

lol. i didn't know that talking about software performance was sacrosanct around here. let me go turn off photoshop and run an infinite loop of 3dmark2003 so that i have the final word on how my computer performs. who cares about productivity here?

That was just about as idiotic as all the posts you've been ripping in this thread.

not quite as idiotic as "And your proof of this is where? How useful are 3D Studio benchmarks to the typical user?", though.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: EdipisReks
why don't you go do a google search on "g4 overclock"?

Overclocking your G4
Because everyone loves taking a soldering iron to a brand new $2000 machine!

- M4H