Nasa Global Temperature Difference Map 2008-2012

[ShintaiDK]

Do you understand the concept of "cherry picking"? Do you understand that temperature fluctuation over a 5 year interval is meaningless?

I'm starting to worry about you.

Its not me lacking the ability to comprehend the definition of global. The key is the delta of the map. But localized impact can be huge as we see.

So maybe you should worry about yourself first.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Its not me lacking the ability to comprehend the definition of global. The key is the delta of the map. But localized impact can be huge as we see.

So maybe you should worry about yourself first.

LOL. It appears that you have no clue as to what I'm talking about. Normally I'd explain in more detail...however, it's now quite apparent that I would just be wasting your time.

 

[Jaskalas]

The "propaganda" map...

Image Credit: NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies.



In 1880 is CO2 level was 285ppm. In 1960 it was 315ppm and now its 390ppm.

CO2 is not relevant, temperature is.

As I already showed you, NOAA says the past 132 years rose 0.7C.

Perhaps, first, we should begin with your dark orange map. What the bloody hell is its purpose, what is the context, what is it trying to show us? I do not for a second believe it is an accurate portrayal of the temperature difference between 4 years. The context is missing.

Your map means something and I'd like an explanation so we can have a basis to begin discussing it properly.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Your map means something and I'd like an explanation so we can have a basis to begin discussing it properly.

Found the link.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-temps.html

 

[Paratus]

Found the link.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-temps.html

Seems pretty straight forward. Anyone have issues with the agreement between models?

The GISS temperature record is one of several global temperature analyses, along with those produced by the Met Office Hadley Centre in the United Kingdom and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. These three primary records use slightly different methods, but overall, their trends show close agreement.

 

[Jaskalas]

Found the link.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-temps.html

Well there we go. 1951 to 1980 baseline, which happens to include the heart of the 60s and 70s ice age scare. Not exactly a warm period of our modern history.

OP,

32 years have passed since the end of that period. We've risen ~0.6 from there. All of that increase occurred between 1981 and 1998. It has not budged since. What do you make of that?

In a few short years we will have spent more time at a standstill than we did warming from the baseline. Perhaps you think we'll set new records this decade. We shall see.

 

[randomrogue]

This is why people believe all kinds of kooky things. They see 2 data points and make a conclusion, they use a study with a sample size of 12, or they just look at the pictures.

 

[boomerang]

Lets just hope the southpole stays frozen. Then we can settle with some 7 meters searise over time. I doubt a city like Miami for example exist in the year 2100. Its gonna be under water.

Here, give your money to this guy http://www.algore.com/. He can make all this go away. He just wants to make a little for himself for all his hard work. Although a wise man did once say, "Beware the prophet seeking profit."

Were you also predicting Miami being under water by 2010? That prediction, back in the late 70's iirc, also got a lot of simple minded people in a tizzy.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

This is why people believe all kinds of kooky things. They see 2 data points and make a conclusion, they use a study with a sample size of 12, or they just look at the pictures.

NEVER EVER question authority. They know whats best for us :sneaky:

 

[Paratus]

This is why people believe all kinds of kooky things. They see 2 data points and make a conclusion, they use a study with a sample size of 12, or they just look at the pictures.

Could you elaborate a little on your thought. Because from the article there appears to be more than 2 data points and a sample size of 12:

The temperature analysis produced at GISS is compiled from weather data from more than 1,000 meteorological stations around the world, satellite observations of sea-surface temperature, and Antarctic research station measurements. A publicly available computer program is used to calculate the difference between surface temperature in a given month and the average temperature for the same place during 1951 to 1980. This three-decade period functions as a baseline for the analysis. The last year that experienced cooler temperatures than the 1951 to 1980 average was 1976.

The GISS temperature record is one of several global temperature analyses, along with those produced by the Met Office Hadley Centre in the United Kingdom and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. These three primary records use slightly different methods, but overall, their trends show close agreement.

 

[randomrogue]

Could you elaborate a little on your thought. Because from the article there appears to be more than 2 data points and a sample size of 12:

Absolutely.

Although to be fair I wasn't using 2 data point or a sample size of 12 to illustrate this graph. The 12 was because of the vaccine thread incidentally since the 1998 hoax report linking Autism with the MMR vaccine had a sample size of 12 patients.

The map above shows data from 2008 to 2012. Assuming it's from January 1 to Dec 31 that's a whooping 5 years of data.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Let's put this in historical perspective. There's no argument that there's been a warming trend since 1850...those things tend to happen after the Little Ice Age ended. The Little Ice Age lasted 500 years and was preceded by the Medieval Warming Period which lasted 300 years with global temperature levels comparable to today's temperatures.

Of course the trend is warmer since 1850. However, the $64 question is how much of a role CO2 levels actually contribute. To assume our temperature rise since the Little Ice Age ended is due entirely to increased CO2 levels is pure poppycock.

 

[SaurusX]

Study: Alaska got colder from 2000-2010
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/01/07/179137/study-alaska-got-colder-from.html

 

[Whiskey16]

CO2 is not relevant, temperature is.

To assume our temperature rise since the Little Ice Age ended is due entirely to increased CO2 levels is pure poppycock.

The problem with you lot of unscientific and partisan ideologues is that you are typically unreasonable and frabricate lying and absolute talking points that negate rational discussion.

I challenge you both to quote any scientific paper and analysis anywhere that denote the current fast rate and climb in temperature is totally due to anthropogenic carbon dioxide levels.

Rather your types will stick by this too often repeated lie and then apply it to discount any study and rational that reasonably conclude anthropogenic pollutants contribute to and compound climate change.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Let's put this in historical perspective. There's no argument that there's been a warming trend since 1850...those things tend to happen after the Little Ice Age ended. The Little Ice Age lasted 500 years and was preceded by the Medieval Warming Period which lasted 300 years with global temperature levels comparable to today's temperatures.

Of course the trend is warmer since 1850. However, the $64 question is how much of a role CO2 levels actually contribute. To assume our temperature rise since the Little Ice Age ended is due entirely to increased CO2 levels is pure poppycock.

This x9001.

But... but.... the liberals have it all! It's JUST ONE ANSWER. Fuck the whole concept of "multiple variables", "unrelated factors", and that whole "logic" way of thinking. It's one thing and one thing only!

Hide yo' kids, hide yo' wife. Switch to efficient energy that is 10x more expensive! Don't use plastics! Buy solar energy panels NOW! Spend an extra $50k on your car or the world will explode in an inferno of hypocrisy and media fear for liberals all around to soak up. D:

 

[HomerJS]

Australia adds new colour to temperature maps as heat soars

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environme...stralia-bush-fires-heatwave-temperature-scale

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Australia adds new colour to temperature maps as heat soars

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environme...stralia-bush-fires-heatwave-temperature-scale

The funny thing is that there is nothing in the insides/middle of Australia - their industry is along the edges

 

[ShintaiDK]

The funny thing is that there is nothing in the insides/middle of Australia - their industry is along the edges

And?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The problem with you lot of unscientific and partisan ideologues is that you are typically unreasonable and frabricate lying and absolute talking points that negate rational discussion.

I challenge you both to quote any scientific paper and analysis anywhere that denote the current fast rate and climb in temperature is totally due to anthropogenic carbon dioxide levels.

Rather your types will stick by this too often repeated lie and then apply it to discount any study and rational that reasonably conclude anthropogenic pollutants contribute to and compound climate change.

On what basis do you accuse me of lying? What "talking points" am I making that negate rational discussion. Where did I ever say that current fast rate and climb in temperature is totally due to anthropogenic carbon dioxide levels?

Judging from your post...it's obvious that you're the one who actually doesn't want rational discussion. Think about it.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

And?

aaaand what? You need someone to play "Connect the dots" with you?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Australia adds new colour to temperature maps as heat soars

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environme...stralia-bush-fires-heatwave-temperature-scale

This is a good reminder to not vacation in Australia in the middle of their Summer....that place can be brutal.

 

[zsdersw]

Australia adds new colour to temperature maps as heat soars

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environme...stralia-bush-fires-heatwave-temperature-scale

In other non-news, summers are hot. It's the middle of summer in January in Australia.

 

[ShintaiDK]

aaaand what? You need someone to play "Connect the dots" with you?

Please enlighten me. Else I would assume you just suggested that Co2 levels was radically different in area to area. But we all know thats not how it works.

 

[Whiskey16]

Where did I ever say that current fast rate and climb in temperature is totally due to anthropogenic carbon dioxide levels?

Sir, here are your words:

To assume our temperature rise since the Little Ice Age ended is due entirely to increased CO2 levels is pure poppycock.

Please don't now twist with an argument that your context was not concerning non-pollutant carbon dioxide release.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Sir, here are your words:
Please don't now twist with an argument that your context was not concerning non-pollutant carbon dioxide release.

Why are you ignoring my previous sentence?

Of course the trend is warmer since 1850. However, the $64 question is how much of a role CO2 levels actually contribute.

If anyone is twisting the context of my statements...it's you. Get real.