Nancy Pelosi lives in a bubble

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Well some polls say that more than 90% of American Catholics ignore the church's teachings on birth control. Should 90% of American Catholics leave the church?

Realistically? Yes, if they also disagree with other teachings. The church is pretty anti-gay marriage. Birth control and marriage are two pretty big lynchpins of their teaching. If you're "liberal" and support gay marriage and birth control/abortion, maybe you're not really Catholic. If "90%" of a population doesn't believe in major tenets of a faith, maybe they'd be better off leaving and searching out a more appropriate religion or founding their own.

They really aren't linchpins of their teaching at all. The basic tenets of Catholicism are faith in god/jesus, the resurrection, forgiveness of sins, etc... etc. You'd have to go mighty mighty far down the list of what catholics hold as important parts of their faith to find gay marriage.

 

[Lemon law]

The pope is a dope, and that a slam against the pope and not Pelosi. Guiliani and many catholic US politicians are in the same boat. Its their cross to bear.

One day the Catholic church will change its position on birth control and abortion, meanwhile the Pope is one the one if the Talibans of religions, as they increasingly make their positions irrelevant and incompatible with the modern world.

I do not blame many fine Catholics, I do not blame Pelosi, I blame only the pope for being a dope. A rather common failings of pope's in general.

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The pope is a dope, and that a slam against the pope and not Pelosi. Guiliani and many catholic US politicians are in the same boat. Its their cross to bear.

One day the Catholic church will change its position on birth control and abortion, meanwhile the Pope is one the one if the Talibans of religions, as they increasingly make their positions irrelevant and incompatible with the modern world.

I do not blame many fine Catholics, I do not blame Pelosi, I blame only the pope for being a dope. A rather common failings of pope's in general.

A clear lack of understanding of Catholicism. The church does not and should not change it's views simply to go along with popular sentiment. If people don't like the views of the church, they are free to leave it.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The pope is a dope, and that a slam against the pope and not Pelosi. Guiliani and many catholic US politicians are in the same boat. Its their cross to bear.

One day the Catholic church will change its position on birth control and abortion, meanwhile the Pope is one the one if the Talibans of religions, as they increasingly make their positions irrelevant and incompatible with the modern world.

I do not blame many fine Catholics, I do not blame Pelosi, I blame only the pope for being a dope. A rather common failings of pope's in general.

A clear lack of understanding of Catholicism. The church does not and should not change it's views simply to go along with popular sentiment. If people don't like the views of the church, they are free to leave it.

So we should lock people up that say the earth goes around the sun?

Put stars on jews?

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
You'd have to go mighty mighty far down the list of what catholics hold as important parts of their faith to find gay marriage.

Then they get mighty worked up over something that isn't very important to them.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: eskimospy
You'd have to go mighty mighty far down the list of what catholics hold as important parts of their faith to find gay marriage.

Then they get mighty worked up over something that isn't very important to them.

Yes, definitely. That's because the major belief structures of their faith are unquestioned, so they have time for the lesser things. If something threatened the divinity of jesus or the absolution of sin you can rest assured that you wouldn't hear much about gay marriage from the catholic church for awhile.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm not sure why people choose to belong to a church who's beliefs they don't follow. Whats the point? If you don't believe in the core of Christianity, then don't be one..

exactly.

So you follow these favs...

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.


and all the other ones from the core of Christianity?

You should actually make an effort to understand Christianity...you just might learn something.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: eskimospy
You'd have to go mighty mighty far down the list of what catholics hold as important parts of their faith to find gay marriage.

Then they get mighty worked up over something that isn't very important to them.

Yes, definitely. That's because the major belief structures of their faith are unquestioned, so they have time for the lesser things. If something threatened the divinity of jesus or the absolution of sin you can rest assured that you wouldn't hear much about gay marriage from the catholic church for awhile.

Yeah, if Nancy Pelosi went around declaring to everyone that "There was a time when the son was not" or that Jesus was not both fully God and fully human, then she just might find herself excommunicated. Those are major points of doctrine. Being pro-choice does not make you a heretic, even in the benign sense of the word.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: brandonb

Church is a community.

1. a social group of any size whose members reside in a specific locality, share government, and often have a common cultural and historical heritage.
2. a locality inhabited by such a group.
3. a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists (usually prec. by the): the business community; the community of scholars.
4. a group of associated nations sharing common interests or a common heritage: the community of Western Europe.
5. Ecclesiastical. a group of men or women leading a common life according to a rule.
6. Ecology. an assemblage of interacting populations occupying a given area.
7. joint possession, enjoyment, liability, etc.: community of property.
8. similar character; agreement; identity: community of interests.
9. the community, the public; society: the needs of the community.

If the church believes abortion is wrong (which is the people of a church) and you believe its ok, maybe you should find another community to be part of.

The finer points? LOL. Abortion is pretty significant. Catholics believe in life, as God in his creation and as written in the bible that people are here to reproduce. To use birth control (and abortion is a form of birth control) is going against God's will. If you want to argue that finer point of Catholism then you just don't belong there at all.

Well some polls say that more than 90% of American Catholics ignore the church's teachings on birth control. Should 90% of American Catholics leave the church? Instead, can we just accept the fact that people can agree with the overarching principles of something while disagreeing with certain implementations of it?

i consider myself catholic and think that some teachings are way too obtuse and overbearing,

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

So you follow these favs...

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

and all the other ones from the core of Christianity?

Yes, I can help you here...

The laws of the Old Testament were recinded by the birth of JC and the New Testament.

Fern

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm not sure why people choose to belong to a church who's beliefs they don't follow. Whats the point? If you don't believe in the core of Christianity, then don't be one..

Get real. The Pope isn't going to give up Catholicism.

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The pope is a dope, and that a slam against the pope and not Pelosi. Guiliani and many catholic US politicians are in the same boat. Its their cross to bear.

One day the Catholic church will change its position on birth control and abortion, meanwhile the Pope is one the one if the Talibans of religions, as they increasingly make their positions irrelevant and incompatible with the modern world.

I do not blame many fine Catholics, I do not blame Pelosi, I blame only the pope for being a dope. A rather common failings of pope's in general.

A clear lack of understanding of Catholicism. The church does not and should not change it's views simply to go along with popular sentiment. If people don't like the views of the church, they are free to leave it.

So we should lock people up that say the earth goes around the sun?

Put stars on jews?

Huh? When did I say the views are right and 'we' as a society should follow anything that one particular church believes?

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm not sure why people choose to belong to a church who's beliefs they don't follow. Whats the point? If you don't believe in the core of Christianity, then don't be one..

Its the cool thing to do. It gets votes, or at the very least makes your parents and SO's happy.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Citrix
lol wtf, this woman is just beyond belief. she is catholic and her religious leader told her that she cant be a catholic and support abortion. what does her camp do? they release a press statement that is doesn't even come close to what was said in the meeting.

the pope should have excommunicated her on the spot. that would have been delicious.



http://www.foxnews.com/politic...si-pope-meeting-minds/

Are you Catholic. First of all this Pope has no true authority. If you Catholic . You should Find out about what the HELL is goung on.

First Find Out what Pope Paul the First Did. Than You Figure Out who the real pope was. Because At that Time I knew What Paul The 1st. looked like. There was also a look alike that showed up while Paul the 1st was ill. Many pictures of the 2. Not even close. When Paul the First Adderessed The UN. Latter He went to another room . Where he gave up the authority of the Church. The Pope also gave The Carnation crown and Other symbolic symbols over to the Head of the UN at the Time. Thats why Their is no crowning when a new Pope is appointed. They don't have. They gave their authority to the UN.

You really should get to Know your Pope PAULS better. NICE GUYS ALL.

 

[racolvin]

Papal dictum have been disconnected from American Catholics for years, this comes as no surprise

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Citrix
lol wtf, this woman is just beyond belief. she is catholic and her religious leader told her that she cant be a catholic and support abortion. what does her camp do? they release a press statement that is doesn't even come close to what was said in the meeting.

the pope should have excommunicated her on the spot. that would have been delicious.



http://www.foxnews.com/politic...si-pope-meeting-minds/

Are you Catholic. First of all this Pope has no true authority. If you Catholic . You should Find out about what the HELL is goung on.

First Find Out what Pope Paul the First Did. Than You Figure Out who the real pope was. Because At that Time I knew What Paul The 1st. looked like. There was also a look alike that showed up while Paul the 1st was ill. Many pictures of the 2. Not even close. When Paul the First Adderessed The UN. Latter He went to another room . Where he gave up the authority of the Church. The Pope also gave The Carnation crown and Other symbolic symbols over to the Head of the UN at the Time. Thats why Their is no crowning when a new Pope is appointed. They don't have. They gave their authority to the UN.

You really should get to Know your Pope PAULS better. NICE GUYS ALL.

lol dude the Schwartz is strong in you.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

So you follow these favs...

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

and all the other ones from the core of Christianity?

Yes, I can help you here...

The laws of the Old Testament were recinded by the birth of JC and the New Testament.

Fern

Oh then slavery is ok...
People in debt (and their children) were still being sold into slavery in New Testament times:

Matthew 18:25: "But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made."

and on and on... so if you don't follow it all then i guess you are not really christian. Like Fear No Evil said "If you don't believe in the core of Christianity, then don't be one.."

 

[boomerang]

So, instead of discussions about Pelosi regarding her trip to Italy, the reasons, why her husband was on the trip, who paid for his travel, why she was there in the midst of the biggest crisis any of us have seen in our lifetime, why Hillary wasn't there and so on, and so forth, the libs have successfully diverted the thread to a discussion of the ambiguities of the Catholic faith. And they're laughing about it.

:thumbsdown:

This is neither News or Politics, it's Off Topic.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: boomerang
So, instead of discussions about Pelosi regarding her trip to Italy, the reasons, why her husband was on the trip, who paid for his travel, why she was there in the midst of the biggest crisis any of us have seen in our lifetime, why Hillary wasn't there and so on, and so forth, the libs have successfully diverted the thread to a discussion of the ambiguities of the Catholic faith. And they're laughing about it.

:thumbsdown:

This is neither News or Politics, it's Off Topic.

I'm pretty sure the reason it changed to the catholic faith is because everyone realized that Pelosi's visit to the pope was a non story. Did you want her in Washington to sit in the capitol building alone during a week that Congress isn't even in session? Did you not know of all of the dozens and dozens and dozens of Congressmen who have met with the pope at one time or another?

What is it exactly that you want?

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Citrix
lol wtf, this woman is just beyond belief. she is catholic and her religious leader told her that she cant be a catholic and support abortion. what does her camp do? they release a press statement that is doesn't even come close to what was said in the meeting.

the pope should have excommunicated her on the spot. that would have been delicious.



http://www.foxnews.com/politic...si-pope-meeting-minds/

Wow good find. Yes he should have.

 

[boomerang]

Answers to the questions I raised and none of them have anything to do with the Pope. Her job, like every other member of Congress is not a part time position. I can't believe that in the midst of this crisis, that the Speaker of the House has nothing she could be doing in Washington.

I'm not the least bit surprised to see her gallivanting around the globe, but I do feel she has better things she could be doing with her time. This goes for the whole lot of them. I'm not singling her out in this regard. Six weeks into the new year and it's time for Congress to take a vacation. Disgusting.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: boomerang
Answers to the questions I raised and none of them have anything to do with the Pope. Her job, like every other member of Congress is not a part time position. I can't believe that in the midst of this crisis, that the Speaker of the House has nothing she could be doing in Washington.

I'm not the least bit surprised to see her gallivanting around the globe, but I do feel she has better things she could be doing with her time. This goes for the whole lot of them. I'm not singling her out in this regard. Six weeks into the new year and it's time for Congress to take a vacation. Disgusting.

Congressmen and women travel with their families fairly often. You would have to probably check financial disclosure forms to see how his travel was paid for. Hillary wasn't there because there was no purpose to her being there. Why would she be there? There is time blocked out throughout the legislative calender for members to spend time in their districts/attend to other duties.

Do you have some suggestions for things you would like the speaker to be doing in Washington that can't be accomplished with phones/email/etc? Do you want her to be passing further legislation? If so, what legislation, who has written it, and what should the speaker be doing to further it that she's not doing now?

 

[Lemon law]

Bottom line, the pope told Pelosi how it is and Pelosi told that pope how it is. Why do you think the pope held the meeting behind closed door without the usual news coverage?

In diplomospeak, they had a frank exchange of views that changed nothing.

This thread could also be titled the pope still lives in his bubble, but it would not bring as much joy to the the lunatic fringe.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: boomerang
Answers to the questions I raised and none of them have anything to do with the Pope. Her job, like every other member of Congress is not a part time position. I can't believe that in the midst of this crisis, that the Speaker of the House has nothing she could be doing in Washington.

I'm not the least bit surprised to see her gallivanting around the globe, but I do feel she has better things she could be doing with her time. This goes for the whole lot of them. I'm not singling her out in this regard. Six weeks into the new year and it's time for Congress to take a vacation. Disgusting.

Congressmen and women travel with their families fairly often. You would have to probably check financial disclosure forms to see how his travel was paid for. Hillary wasn't there because there was no purpose to her being there. Why would she be there? There is time blocked out throughout the legislative calender for members to spend time in their districts/attend to other duties.

Do you have some suggestions for things you would like the speaker to be doing in Washington that can't be accomplished with phones/email/etc? Do you want her to be passing further legislation? If so, what legislation, who has written it, and what should the speaker be doing to further it that she's not doing now?

I know when I'm being patronized. I also know she could cut off the heads of babies with a rusty can opener and you'd be defending her. Save it for someone else and cut the shit.

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm not sure why people choose to belong to a church who's beliefs they don't follow. Whats the point? If you don't believe in the core of Christianity, then don't be one..

exactly.

exactly