Nancy Pelosi lives in a bubble

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm not sure why people choose to belong to a church who's beliefs they don't follow. Whats the point? If you don't believe in the core of Christianity, then don't be one..

Who decided what 'the core' is?

what every church you belong to thats who. if you dont want to or dont believe in the teachings and beliefs of your church dont say you are catholic. its not rocket science.

So you can only be a part of the Catholic Church if you believe everything? You're not allowed to object with finer points of Church doctrine? Seems like a pretty ridiculous assertion you've made.

Church is a community.

1. a social group of any size whose members reside in a specific locality, share government, and often have a common cultural and historical heritage.
2. a locality inhabited by such a group.
3. a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists (usually prec. by the): the business community; the community of scholars.
4. a group of associated nations sharing common interests or a common heritage: the community of Western Europe.
5. Ecclesiastical. a group of men or women leading a common life according to a rule.
6. Ecology. an assemblage of interacting populations occupying a given area.
7. joint possession, enjoyment, liability, etc.: community of property.
8. similar character; agreement; identity: community of interests.
9. the community, the public; society: the needs of the community.

If the church believes abortion is wrong (which is the people of a church) and you believe its ok, maybe you should find another community to be part of.

The finer points? LOL. Abortion is pretty significant. Catholics believe in life, as God in his creation and as written in the bible that people are here to reproduce. To use birth control (and abortion is a form of birth control) is going against God's will. If you want to argue that finer point of Catholism then you just don't belong there at all.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
So you can only be a part of the Catholic Church if you believe everything? You're not allowed to object with finer points of Church doctrine? Seems like a pretty ridiculous assertion you've made.

There is no negotiating over "Thou shalt not kill".

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
and then she would be stoned on the streets.

oh, pretty please let this happen.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm not sure why people choose to belong to a church who's beliefs they don't follow. Whats the point? If you don't believe in the core of Christianity, then don't be one..

Who decided what 'the core' is?

what every church you belong to thats who. if you dont want to or dont believe in the teachings and beliefs of your church dont say you are catholic. its not rocket science.

It's not like the Catholic church is only allowing devout followers in. If they did, they'd be reduced to a very small fringe religion in a hurry.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm not sure why people choose to belong to a church who's beliefs they don't follow. Whats the point? If you don't believe in the core of Christianity, then don't be one..

win

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Church is a community.

1. a social group of any size whose members reside in a specific locality, share government, and often have a common cultural and historical heritage.
2. a locality inhabited by such a group.
3. a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists (usually prec. by the): the business community; the community of scholars.
4. a group of associated nations sharing common interests or a common heritage: the community of Western Europe.
5. Ecclesiastical. a group of men or women leading a common life according to a rule.
6. Ecology. an assemblage of interacting populations occupying a given area.
7. joint possession, enjoyment, liability, etc.: community of property.
8. similar character; agreement; identity: community of interests.
9. the community, the public; society: the needs of the community.

If the church believes abortion is wrong (which is the people of a church) and you believe its ok, maybe you should find another community to be part of.

The finer points? LOL. Abortion is pretty significant. Catholics believe in life, as God in his creation and as written in the bible that people are here to reproduce. To use birth control (and abortion is a form of birth control) is going against God's will. If you want to argue that finer point of Catholism then you just don't belong there at all.

Well some polls say that more than 90% of American Catholics ignore the church's teachings on birth control. Should 90% of American Catholics leave the church? Instead, can we just accept the fact that people can agree with the overarching principles of something while disagreeing with certain implementations of it?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Genx87
WTF is the speaker of house meeting with official heads of states for anyways? Isnt that Clinton's job?

Pelosi embarasses this country more with each passing day.

Probably because she wasn't meeting him in an official capacity as representing the United States? Why is that embarrassing?

Really, so any joe can walk in and have a visit with the pope? I'd say as a speaker of the house meeting with the pope or any other heads of state on their turf, you are meeting in an official capacity.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Probably because she wasn't meeting him in an official capacity as representing the United States? Why is that embarrassing?

Really, so any joe can walk in and have a visit with the pope? I'd say as a speaker of the house meeting with the pope or any other heads of state on their turf, you are meeting in an official capacity.

Did she articulate any policy positions held by the US government or make any statements on behalf of the US government? Lots and lots and lots of Congressmen have met with the pope before.

 

[ayabe]

This is just another lame attempt to bash Pelosi, since she is now a curse word among the knuckle-draggers in our society.

If you wanted to apply this ridiculous test to any world religion you would end in epic fail, because no one follows all of the tenets of their religion, no one, not mother teresa, not the pope.

Only guy I can think of whose if 100% in lock step with his religion is that Warren Jeffs guy - and that's because he invented it.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm not sure why people choose to belong to a church who's beliefs they don't follow. Whats the point? If you don't believe in the core of Christianity, then don't be one..

Who decided what 'the core' is?

The pope?

 

[microbial]

Lots of people living in a bubble.

Many live in fantasy land believing by pure fiat that a God exists (the bibble-bubble) when clearly there isn't a single shred of objective evidence to support that position.

Originally posted by: Citrix
lol wtf, this woman is just beyond belief. she is catholic and her religious leader told her that she cant be a catholic and support abortion. what does her camp do? they release a press statement that is doesn't even come close to what was said in the meeting.

the pope should have excommunicated her on the spot. that would have been delicious.



http://www.foxnews.com/politic...si-pope-meeting-minds/

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

And if some soldiers saw the Pope, would anyone complain that they were embarrassing our country as only the Secretary of State was supposed to be there?

The reason that she met him was because of her position. Random Joe can't just call up the Pope on his cell phone and plan a meeting.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: eskimospy

And if some soldiers saw the Pope, would anyone complain that they were embarrassing our country as only the Secretary of State was supposed to be there?

The reason that she met him was because of her position. Random Joe can't just call up the Pope on his cell phone and plan a meeting.

Right. So what?

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
So you can only be a part of the Catholic Church if you believe everything? You're not allowed to object with finer points of Church doctrine? Seems like a pretty ridiculous assertion you've made.

There is no negotiating over "Thou shalt not kill".

It is clearly meant "murder" when talking about all living things in general, otherwise we'd all be vegans and not using antibiotics to kill the single-celled interlopers we catch from time to time. Murder is wrong, but killing is not necessarily so. If you would instead want to focus on the word kill, you have to restrict it to people. Either one of these interpretations leave you with two fundamental questions that must be answered: either is a fetus a person or when does killing constitute murder. You miss that intermedeate step. As my old logic professor would say, "Abort your mental babies! Get rid of them!". (he used this term to refer to this debate's common logical fallacies, to great effect - as it was at a Catholic college. )

Some of you really seem to have either a hate-on for the CC or seem to misunderstand what it means to be a member of the Church. You can't just say that a member must agree with every point of doctrine. Doctrine is not static, and there have been many long-running issues with it. You simply cannot follow it blindly without asking questions. These questions will lead different people to different conclusions that must be reconciled over time. Hell, take a look at different time periods when there was only one "Church", mainly dominated by the two theological schools of Antioch and Alexandria. What about the East/West schism of 1024 or the Councils prior to Nicea? Some doctrine disputes are resolved with time, others not. There is a LONG history of dissent in the Christian church, particularly the Roman Catholic one. Right now, one of the main issues is the separation of church and state that exists in the USA (and other countries to an extent), and the institutions of democracy. Abortion rights are right smack in the middle of this debate as although many Catholics do believe abortion to be sinful, they do not believe that the purpose of the government to play a roll in restricting the rights of the individual. There are many practical realities about this, so you can't simply just gloss over it by saying "they arent' Christian" or something to that effect.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm not sure why people choose to belong to a church who's beliefs they don't follow. Whats the point? If you don't believe in the core of Christianity, then don't be one..

Who decided what 'the core' is?

The pope?

FAIL.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
So you can only be a part of the Catholic Church if you believe everything? You're not allowed to object with finer points of Church doctrine? Seems like a pretty ridiculous assertion you've made.

There is no negotiating over "Thou shalt not kill".

Apparently, there is. Pelosi and politicians in general are by no means alone on this stance. It is becoming more and more popular as time goes on.

Maybe instead of Politicians falsely claiming to be a certain religion to win votes we should just stop basing our votes on the religion they follow. Problem solved.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm not sure why people choose to belong to a church who's beliefs they don't follow. Whats the point? If you don't believe in the core of Christianity, then don't be one..

Who decided what 'the core' is?

what every church you belong to thats who. if you dont want to or dont believe in the teachings and beliefs of your church dont say you are catholic. its not rocket science.

It's not like the Catholic church is only allowing devout followers in. If they did, they'd be reduced to a very small fringe religion in a hurry.

It isn't just Catholics either. It is the whole of Christianity. Church is for sinners as well as saints. Look who Jesus hung out with: Prostitutes, criminals, tax cheats, tax collectors, etc. You can't judge a person, nor a religion, entirely by the company they keep.

 

[fisheerman]

Originally posted by: brandonb
Its politics. If it gets them votes to say they are Catholic or Christian, then they will be Catholic or Christian. People like Pelosi sold their soul to the devil long ago.

^^^^BINGO we have a winner

I argued this point with my father about bush. I don't care how good of a person you think someone is. If they are in anykind of elected position(especially congress, senate, prez) they have had to sell their soul to the devil to get there.

"The more things CHANGE the more they stay the same"

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
So you can only be a part of the Catholic Church if you believe everything? You're not allowed to object with finer points of Church doctrine? Seems like a pretty ridiculous assertion you've made.

There is no negotiating over "Thou shalt not kill".

That's hilarious as there really, really is. Different sects of the three Abrahamic religions have wildly different ideas of when and how 'thou shalt not kill' applies.

 

[Harvey]

Puck the Fope. Why should anyone give a shit about what a freaking nazi appeaser has to say about anything? :roll:

 

[ayabe]

Where's the embarrassment when half of Congress lines up weekly to kiss Sun Myung Moon's ass?

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm not sure why people choose to belong to a church who's beliefs they don't follow. Whats the point? If you don't believe in the core of Christianity, then don't be one..

exactly.

The core of Christianity is abortion rights? Damn it, I knew I missed something when I read the Bible! The Bible has no problem with killing. The commandment is though shall not murder. Kill all you want. Sometimes it helps to kill people who worship the other invisible man though.

Religious Right needs to go re-read Matthew.

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm not sure why people choose to belong to a church who's beliefs they don't follow. Whats the point? If you don't believe in the core of Christianity, then don't be one..

Who decided what 'the core' is?

The pope.

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Either she is right or wrong, but thats between her and God.

In Catholicism, the word of the Pope is the word of God, so God thinks she's pretty much wrong.

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Well some polls say that more than 90% of American Catholics ignore the church's teachings on birth control. Should 90% of American Catholics leave the church?

Realistically? Yes, if they also disagree with other teachings. The church is pretty anti-gay marriage. Birth control and marriage are two pretty big lynchpins of their teaching. If you're "liberal" and support gay marriage and birth control/abortion, maybe you're not really Catholic. If "90%" of a population doesn't believe in major tenets of a faith, maybe they'd be better off leaving and searching out a more appropriate religion or founding their own.

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Getting excommunicated would have increased her support in SF. The pope should get off his high chair, the catholic church murdered too many people to be lecturing anyone on life.

Hello, mcmoron, ignoring for a second the completely irrelevant assertion of the church murdering "too many" people. This is basic logic: the church has certain rules and beliefs, and you are free to think they are completely looney and stupid. You don't have to belong to that church or religion.

The pope should have excommunicated her on the spot.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm not sure why people choose to belong to a church who's beliefs they don't follow. Whats the point? If you don't believe in the core of Christianity, then don't be one..

exactly.

So you follow these favs...

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.


and all the other ones from the core of Christianity?