Originally posted by: chucky2
I didn't say when a normal soldier catches a normal insurgent they should take him into the back of a MRAP and start cutting his fingers off.
But if we capture a true high value target, sending in someone from the Human Rights Watch to ask them questions on what they know is pointless. Sending in a skilled interrogator to have the person being interrogated just waste that persons time because they know there's nothing the interrogator can do to get information out of him is pointless. But sending a high value detainie to a place where we can extract meaningful information out of them by less savory means: I say do it. That person has either done, or planned to, conspire against the US to kill US citizens. You're going to sit there and say if I kidnapped your family and they were doing to die in a couple of days if I didn't talk, that you'd want Human Rights Watch there and someone who just asked me nicely where they were? Get F'ing real. You'd be looking for the meanest looking sargent, bringing in the Sodium P., and laying out the pliers, knives, and other stuff for me to see that you all meant business and this wasn't an ice cream social.
Ok name one HVT besides The Hairy Rosie O'Donnell(Kalid Sheihk Mohammed) that we have captured. Go ahead, I'll wait for it. The people being "rendered" aren't high value targets, there are completely innocent people that have been picked up, tortured, etc. Including that case in Italy where we basically violated their sovereignty to pick someone up with zero value. Sorry that doesn't pass your
"That person has either done, or planned to, conspire against the US to kill US citizens." litmus test. That's pure BS and you know it.
That you will never know the true victories because they're kept secret so as to not blow the value of the intelligence is ironic. I find it laughable that you think other countries professional intelligence agencies won't go all the way to collect intelligence when the chips are down...as if the US is the only one that does it. The truth is they all do it because in the end it's effective and relatively quick. That it makes for good media coverage (because, ratings - not security - are what's important afterall, Right?) and turns the average persons stomach are unfortunate by-products.
Oh you mean they don't herald every victory? BS they don't, in fact, they were so orgiastic about that OBL tape a few weeks ago that they ruined a key intelligence source. The Admin is so desperate for even the smallest taste of semi-success.
The chips haven't been down.
Reality check!!! Who stands with us in "times of crises"??? In Korea, which countries helped us out? In Vietnam, which other countries helped us try and prevent Communism from taking over that country (after France left)? Somalia? Wow, I know, Gulf War 1! Oh, that's because of the oil (gee, just what they accuse use for in GW2, how ironic). OK, a true US is directly attacked so the world will come help: 9/11. Lets see, which EU countries, China, and/or Russia went and spanked SA for us? Wait!?!?! None?!?! OK, well, surely Afghanistan...OMG, None there either?!!? Yeah, a super amount of help we get from the rest of the world. I'm glad they help us so much when it'll take real sacrifice, sure glad we don't always have to go it alone... :roll:
Australia, Belgium, Canada, Colombia, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, the Philippines, Thailand and Turkey all committed troops to Korea.
In Vietnam France didn't leave, they were defeated and forced to withdraw. This was our crusade. This is a separate topic but yet another illegal war that the world knew was phony. Amazing how noone wants to help us with our phony wars.
Somalia was a UN operation, we sent combat troops in at our peril. We had just won GWI not long before and were feeling tough.
GF1 was ONLY fought because:
1. The Brits were mandated by a treaty to assist Kuwait in the event of an attack, knew they could not remove Saddam alone. This is the ONLY reason they have been in Iraq with us on the latest adventure. Not many people know this. We didn't care about Kuwait until a few days later, we said it was their business.
2. The Saudi's begged us to come in.
In Afghanistan there are people dying from all over, including the Netherlands, Canada, our traditional allies in Europe. Don't make little of that, Afghanistan would have been a done deal a long time if not for our half assed commitment.
That you think a recognition of a genocide that occurred an unbelievably long 92 years ago is needed now when we actually do need cooperation from Turkey is just amazing. That you think the rest of the world gives two sh1ts about it is even more amazing.
If they are too ignorant to acknowledge their errors then fuck em. We don't need them as much as has been touted, we can get supplies in from elsewhere. Turkey is also the third largest recipient of military aid from US behind Israel and Egypt, well that's gone now, no more spare F-16 parts, fuck you Turkey.
That's real diplomacy, they will blink before we do.
Yeah, Russia acknowledging it makes us look so super bad...LOL, okey dokey...
Chuck
Ironic don't you think? A nation of serial humans rights abusers and scorched earth tactics, and not to mention BFF with Iran, would have no problem recognizing this as genocide, yet we can't, because our pussy hurts.
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