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Stokely

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Nobody on either side outside the actual investigation knows jack shit. Alright, that's one thing we know...

The hope has to be that the truth wins out. That there isn't manufactured information and evidence from any side that throws things off. That anyone in the government doesn't try to hamper the investigation or suppress the results. That Meuller can be impartial and is willing to overturn whatever rocks he needs to.

You all can argue about it until the cows come home but chances are we don't even have a clue what is really happening right now behind closed doors.
 
Pens1566

Pens1566

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Sea Ray said:
The villain in all of this is the media. For months they've been telling us that Trump was colluding with the Russians. Now we find out that this was false. In fact it was BS. Now the Trump haters are waking up to see that there's no Santa Claus. They'd gotten their hopes up believing in a myth. The American people are getting it:



http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/poll-trump-russia-probe/2017/06/08/id/794944/

What's sad is that the media is so corrupt. That they can day after day report unnamed sources and pass it off as news.

Trump's an idiot who doesn't have a clue but he's also the victim of a media campaign to bring him down. If he were guilty of colluding with the Russians, we'd have seen the evidence by now. Someone would have leaked it and the NY Times would have reported it.
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In no way, shape, or form is the above statement true based on Comey's testimony. If anything, Comey's testimony did more than all reports prior to lend credence to the story. Any one of his "I can't speak to that in open session" answers should have been an indicator. Especially ones regarding Sessions, the Steele Dossier, and the Russian bank.
 
Sea Ray

Sea Ray

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[DHT]Osiris said:
That we've been made aware of. This isn't pie-in-the-sky fantasy bullshit anymore, there's a very real possibility that our president, or at minimum his staff, was directly involved in the shit. We'll find out one way or another, but your callous dismissal of fire in the face of an overwhelming amount of smoke is frankly, depressing.
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You're setting yourself up for a big disappointment. There's no evidence to support your statement yet you go on believing it.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Stokely said:
Nobody on either side outside the actual investigation knows jack shit. Alright, that's one thing we know...

The hope has to be that the truth wins out. That there isn't manufactured information and evidence from any side that throws things off. That anyone in the government doesn't try to hamper the investigation or suppress the results. That Meuller can be impartial and is willing to overturn whatever rocks he needs to.

You all can argue about it until the cows come home but chances are we don't even have a clue what is really happening right now behind closed doors.
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One fact is sure true (and is a huge benefit of having a monolithic, lumbering government), the US Govt will grind up anyone that gets caught in the gears, anyone. Enough fabric is caught at this point that I don't see someone slipping out if this ends up being legitimate.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Sea Ray said:
You're setting yourself up for a big disappointment. There's no evidence to support your statement yet you go on believing it.
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Fine, rely on your handwavium, and I'll rely on what I saw yesterday. We'll see what shakes out in the next 3mo.
 
Sea Ray

Sea Ray

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Grooveriding said:
You just did it again. LOL, unbelievable, doubled down on the talking point you were fed about one story. If you were actually informing yourself, you'd have been aware of everything else that has been reported. And still ignoring there is an active acknowledged investigation still ongoing into this.

No wonder a creep like Trump can be elected with people this badly informed and hunkered down in their CDB bunkers. Jesus H. Christ.
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If this was still under investigation Comey would have answered this like he did other subjects and say that he can't comment on it. But he didn't. In fact he went on the record to say that the NY Times article was false.
 
Pens1566

Pens1566

Lifer
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Sea Ray said:
If this was still under investigation Comey would have answered this like he did other subjects and say that he can't comment on it. But he didn't. In fact he went on the record to say that the NY Times article was false.
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Negative. He already stated in previous appearances that he's been cleared of that "guideline" by the DoJ and can confirm. For fucks sake, there's been a special prosecutor for about a month now. But, you're right, there's no investigation. /headdesk
 
Thebobo

Thebobo

Lifer
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Sea Ray said:
The villain in all of this is the media. For months they've been telling us that Trump was colluding with the Russians. Now we find out that this was false. In fact it was BS. Now the Trump haters are waking up to see that there's no Santa Claus. They'd gotten their hopes up believing in a myth. The American people are getting it:



http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/poll-trump-russia-probe/2017/06/08/id/794944/

What's sad is that the media is so corrupt. That they can day after day report unnamed sources and pass it off as news.

Trump's an idiot who doesn't have a clue but he's also the victim of a media campaign to bring him down. If he were guilty of colluding with the Russians, we'd have seen the evidence by now. Someone would have leaked it and the NY Times would have reported it.
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So media is the villain but newsmax (part of the media) is ok?
 
Grooveriding

Grooveriding

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Sea Ray said:
If this was still under investigation Comey would have answered this like he did other subjects and say that he can't comment on it. But he didn't. In fact he went on the record to say that the NY Times article was false.
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Yup, this guy is just playing solitaire all day : http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/06/mueller-russia-probe-trump-239163


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Sea Ray

Sea Ray

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Pens1566 said:
Negative. He already stated in previous appearances that he's been cleared of that "guideline" by the DoJ and can confirm. For fucks sake, there's been a special prosecutor for about a month now. But, you're right, there's no investigation. /headdesk
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You hold out hope that this will show something. That's all you got. Remember Trump himself is not under investigation. If Trump's "Scooter Libby" goes to jail, so what? It'll still mean 4 yrs of Trump
 
Pens1566

Pens1566

Lifer
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Sea Ray said:
You hold out hope that this will show something. That's all you got. Remember Trump himself is not under investigation. If Trump's "Scooter Libby" goes to jail, so what? It'll still mean 4 yrs of Trump
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So, you're not disputing what I posted? Thx. Got it.

Meanwhile, there is an active investigation into collusion between Russia and members (plural) of the Trump campaign. Active. Comey yesterday indicated that Mueller is investigating obstruction of justice. The president has hired outside legal help, indicating he believes he's at legal risk.

But, I'm sure you're right in what you've shown is a less than complete understanding of any of this situation. Yep. Convinced me. Nothing to see. Move along.
 
Sea Ray

Sea Ray

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Pens1566 said:
So, you're not disputing what I posted? Thx. Got it.

Meanwhile, there is an active investigation into collusion between Russia and members (plural) of the Trump campaign. Active. Comey yesterday indicated that Mueller is investigating obstruction of justice. The president has hired outside legal help, indicating he believes he's at legal risk.

But, I'm sure you're right in what you've shown is a less than complete understanding of any of this situation. Yep. Convinced me. Nothing to see. Move along.
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What I've said is that there's no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russians as of today and since this has been investigated for over a yr, if there was something it'd have come out by now.
 
Pens1566

Pens1566

Lifer
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Sea Ray said:
What I've said is that there's no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russians as of today and since this has been investigated for over a yr, if there was something it'd have come out by now.
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And since you're involved in the FBI investigation, you know this for a fact, right?

If you're interested in being more accurate, you could state that there's been no concrete, smoking-gun evidence released to the public. Which is kind of true. Even then, it displays a horrible understanding of the overall process and the agencies/parties involved.

But I think we all know that you're not interested.
 
Commodus

Commodus

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Sea Ray said:
You hold out hope that this will show something. That's all you got. Remember Trump himself is not under investigation. If Trump's "Scooter Libby" goes to jail, so what? It'll still mean 4 yrs of Trump
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You'd better hope the Dems don't retake the House in 2018, because that term could be much shorter than you think. And right now, both Trump and the party are hell-bent on antagonizing everyone... it's not a far-fetched idea.
 
Sea Ray

Sea Ray

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Pens1566 said:
And since you're involved in the FBI investigation, you know this for a fact, right?

If you're interested in being more accurate, you could state that there's been no concrete, smoking-gun evidence released to the public. Which is kind of true. Even then, it displays a horrible understanding of the overall process and the agencies/parties involved.

But I think we all know that you're not interested.
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A whole lot of things are possible. It's a question of likelihood.
 
Sea Ray

Sea Ray

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Commodus said:
You'd better hope the Dems don't retake the House in 2018, because that term could be much shorter than you think. And right now, both Trump and the party are hell-bent on antagonizing everyone... it's not a far-fetched idea.
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The House can't remove Trump from office. The formula for winning the House is not to spend 2 yrs trying to impeach him. That won't impress voters
 
Commodus

Commodus

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Sea Ray said:
The House can't remove Trump from office. The formula for winning the House is not to spend 2 yrs trying to impeach him. That won't impress voters
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I'll clarify. If there's a majority vote in the House, and a two-thirds vote in the Senate after that, they can. Basically: Trump has to hope he and the Republicans don't piss off too many voters, because if the right mix of Congress turns Democrat, he's out.

And it's important to stress that impeachment doesn't need to happen to neuter Trump. If either portion of Congress gets a Democrat majority, he loses a large amount of power... partisan Republican bills won't pass, of course, but it also makes it much harder for the Republicans to obstruct and distract from investigations.
 
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