NAACP thinks Advanced classes are unfair to minorities

[MaxDepth]

I really don't see race as an issue in the article, unless the "gifted" kids were overwhelmingly white or the underachievers overwhelmingly black. But there was no reference to race in the article.

I was in a differentiation class in third grade. The class had one teacher and two assistants. Everyone was taught the same material for each subject. If I could comprehend the subject quicker or wanted more knowledge, then the assistants worked with me to grow my knowledge. It worked great. My reading and maths skills went beyond 3rd, 4th, and 5th grade levels. Instead of bumping me up to another grade, I was socially inculcated with peers of my own age. I had class time with everyone else, I just had different books and tests.

When I moved to another state, I didn't have any of that. Everyone was taught the same, no matter what. I spent most of the day staring out the window or laying my head down on the desk until I everyone caught up with what I already knew. (5th grade)

 

[n0cmonkey]

Private schools are the only solution.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

I'm already paranoid by the kids I encounter the few times I go to a fast food place and encounter a non-Mexican working there. I used to work there and no one even the mentally retarded custodian were as stupid as some of these kids....and just think when we are old and gray they will be running our country.

same here.

If it wasn't for the computer terminals in stores and fast food places i don't think i would ever get the correct change back.

What amazes me is the state of public schools. My wife was a teacher (quit because of the students rudeness etc) and i would help her grade some of the papers. this was a 5th grade class and some kids were getting math problems such as 5+5 wrong. the majority could barely read. You could really tell the kids that tried and those that didn't care. problem was most didn't care.

While i was blessed with the love of reading i understand that a that some have not. But when a child can barely read "hop on pop" and they are 10+ years old then something needs to be done. Not to mention in highs school many kids don't take classes above Geometry in math.

It really makes me afraid for the future. I guess the "dumbing" down of the school system is going to continue to the point that grades, books or test wont matter. We should be encouraging kids to get into these higher classes instead of taking them away.

homeschooling is looking like a good idea for my daughter. sigh.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: CChaos
Where in that article does anyone from the NAACP make any statement that even remotely resembles that thread title?

The mission of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is to ensure the political, educational, social and economic equality of rights of all persons and to eliminate racial hatred and racial discrimination.

"Michelle Laws, an official in the local NAACP and an adjunct professor at North Carolina Central University, said the classes create educational systems "based on superiority.

Intelligence, she said, includes more than just academic aptitude"

Still looking for where it mentions minorities having anything to do with this story...

Guess you are a product of the public school system then. It's not there in black and white but pretty close.

No, it's not in there, period. You proved yourself wrong with your post that I quoted.

"The mission of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is to ensure the political, educational, social and economic equality of rights of all persons" NOT ALL MINORITIES.

"Intelligence, she said, includes more than just academic aptitude" Duh? This has nothing to do with race either. She's talking about how people can be smart in other ways other than school work.

They were talking to a professor who happened to be in the NAACP. You saw the letters NAACP and assumed it was racial. If anything is a product of poor schooling, it's your reading comprehension.

Since when has the NAACP been seeking equality, not since MLK got shot. They are seeking favoritism and entitlement

Unreal. It's like talking to a brick wall. THIS SITUATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NAACP. THAT IS ALL I WAS SAYING. I completely agree with your opinion on the NAACP, but you jumped to the conclusion that this is a racially motivated situation.

Anyway, my brain cells have gone on strike demanding that I stop talking to you.

 

[isasir]

I passed on this article to an older friend of mine, who does evaluation of educational programs for a living, and has his PhD. He feels that decentralizing will work. His opinion was that a lot of teachers tend to put the focus and time on the smarter students, thus not devoting enough time to the average and below-average student. This system tries to eliminate that.

I can see his point, since I know that my teachers in HS would devote most of their time to the best classes, since of course these students usually were easiest to work with. A teacher does have an obligation to help all students pass, even if that means spending time trying to bring some of the less intelligent students up to speed.

 

[everman]

"Advanced sixth-grade math and language arts were discontinued in those schools starting this school year."

And then they go on to say ""What we want to make sure is that all students have the option to have the skills to choose the most rigor that they want rather than being assigned to it,"

But how can they choose higher level courses when they do not exist? The whole concept of trying to teach 3 levels of something at once is just rediculous.

 

[StageLeft]

Sad.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Face it, the Public school system is NO MORE than a baby sittin service with LOTS AND LOTS of resources.

hey, i'm not complaining. it's great, it's all free. and if i want my child to excel, than my wife and i spend the time with them that they get the extra edge they need to excel.

Unless you are a welfare or low-income case it is not free. The US spends a $h1t load like 6-10k per kid and this is funded through taxes, so you and I are both paying for it even if we choose not to use it.

agreed, i paid over $7k in property taxes last year. and for that our district reduced class sizes for 1st graders to 15 each and are planning on doing that all the way up to 3rd grade.

i'm very happy because the public school my son attends is VERY VERY good.

Then you have Texas who had the bright idea of taking money from the rich school districts and give them to the poor, causing the best school districts regress academically. Thats why there will be a special session soon, because this whole ludicris plan is likely to be found unconstitutional by the Texas Supreme Court.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Actually, I think when you do the numbers, the US Gov't spends like $10-20K per child per year on education, MUCH more than any other country. I was lucky enough to have attended private school, and my parents certainly spent less than that per year.

The governments(federal, state and county) in the US do spend alot, but its not $10-20k, its more like $4-12k per student. There are rare occassions in places where there is less than $4k or more than $12k, but they are not the norm or average. I believe the national avg is ~$8000.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: everman
"Advanced sixth-grade math and language arts were discontinued in those schools starting this school year."

And then they go on to say ""What we want to make sure is that all students have the option to have the skills to choose the most rigor that they want rather than being assigned to it,"

But how can they choose higher level courses when they do not exist? The whole concept of trying to teach 3 levels of something at once is just rediculous.

Unbelievable. Like any elementary school kid has the intellectual and emotional maturity to make such choices regarding their own education; choices that will affect their lives for years (decades?) down the road.

 

[LordMorpheus]

I think this whole not tracking thing in public schools is unfair to one important minority: smart kids.

NAACP, it may be posible to construe the horrible state of city public schools to society, but in order to equalize things try HELPING the minorities instead of making everybody else just as stupid as they are. Jeebus.

 

[Kipper]

The entire education system needs an overhaul 1.) stop basing school revenue on property taxes, 2.) get good teachers in the classrooms, 3.) provide for excellent after-school or advancement programs so the students who can get into college go there, and 4.) get rid of those god-awful standardized state exams.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
1.) stop basing school revenue on property taxes

Epp! You definately don't want to do that. Oregon did that back in 1992, and it's all gone downhill since then. In place of reliable property taxes, schools are fed off of the general fund from income taxes, which has resulted in total chaos.

 

[AntMan530]

i hate tracking. tracking creates segregation again.

 

[Regulator]

Originally posted by: Amused
The NAACP's version of fair:

Rather than allow the NFL to refuse drafting a legless man, they insist all the other players have their legs cut off.

Typical far leftist BS.

I was in one of those advanced class and they are overrated.
Speaking of NFL....Why isn't there any Asian?

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: Regulator

Originally posted by: Amused
The NAACP's version of fair:

Rather than allow the NFL to refuse drafting a legless man, they insist all the other players have their legs cut off.

Typical far leftist BS.

I was in one of those advanced class and they are overrated.
Speaking of NFL....Why isn't there any Asian?

exactly about the legless thing.

I am private-schooled in Saint Louis. My high school is (one of) the best in the city for guys (it is, unfortunatly, all male).

And it got me 50 times farther than any city public schools would have. There are one or two good public school districts, and they are in the uberrich parts of the suburbs. Any other public school is a farce.

Here is a sample story: one of the public highschools built a new building. New desks, lockers, etc. Beautiful school. Two years later, the building looks like it should be condemned. All the furniture is destroyed, lockers are torn out of the wall, which has holes in it. Broken windows, grafiti, etc.

Go publik edakashun!

 

[stormbv]

I hate how the educational system tries to form us into upstanding members of society. Education should be tailored to the individual.

 

[AntMan530]

Originally posted by: Regulator

Originally posted by: Amused
The NAACP's version of fair:

Rather than allow the NFL to refuse drafting a legless man, they insist all the other players have their legs cut off.

Typical far leftist BS.

I was in one of those advanced class and they are overrated.
Speaking of NFL....Why isn't there any Asian?

Dat Nguyen plays for the cowboys. or did?

 

[EMPshockwave82]

yea.. but the NAACP thinks everything is unfair to minorities

 

[Jfrag Teh Foul]

Originally posted by: Jigga
Anyone else get the idea that black leaders have done more harm than good for minorities since the death of MLK?

Hell yes. There is a lot of money to be made in subjugating your own people.

 

[ThreeLeggedGnome]

Have a mediocre education in HS then go to college, better pray not having me as your math teacher because I'll fail your arse without a second thought.

 

[Cerb]

Differentiation basically looks like common sense after being wrung through human resource managers.
Of course IMO, they should cancel the lowest level of classes rather than the advanced.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Jigga
Anyone else get the idea that black leaders have done more harm than good for minorities since the death of MLK?

The idea? Don't you mean the well-documented ominous shroud of b!tching and inequity, perpetuated at every turn instead of doing something good about it?

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
Oh good lord, not again.


I taught in a class (fifth grade) where everyone was grouped together. The particular lesson I taught one day was about water pollution.

1/4 of the class didn't know what pollution was in general
1/2 the class knew what it was, but didn't understand the causes/effects
1/4 of the class knew as much about the subject as me.

Do you have ANY idea how difficult it is to teach like that?

Furthermore, the class was split into 4 reading groups based on ability. That means that you are essentially teaching four seperate classes. Each reading lesson took me on average 1 hour to complete each day for each group.......and the reading groups (technically called literature circles) were only an hour per day!

Ouch. Where I went for K-6, by around 4th grade, when taught something, you were expected to learn it. If you didn't have a clue, you'd best get one. Sure, not everybody's a genius, but that's why a C/D is a passing grade.
Coincedentally, I've noticed, talking w/ people I went to school with, all of us are far better than most at gathering information and understanding from limited sources than our public school counterparts.
Note: I went to Bibb co. public school for middle (7,8) and high (9-10/11?) school.

 

[maluckey]

Odd, my High School Valedictorian was a balck minority. She ONLY took advanced or AP classes, and still managed a 4.0 average. NAACP says she should have been held back to be fair to others.......

She entered college as a Sophomore, after transferring her AP credits and the credits from the CLEP. She graduated ahead of schedule with her Bachelors Degree in Mathemetics, and finished her PHD just 5 years after High School. Without the Advanced learning from these special classes, she would not have been this far ahead of the power curve.

In my school, the smart people were challenged in these advanced classes, and the rest were placed in either the college prep curriculum or the standard curriculum, depending on teacher, parent, and/or grades recieved in classwork.

Cahllenging a young mind is to be discouraged or illegal???? What's next, no grades or Honor Roll because it's not fair??? Life is unfair, and often disappoint those who live in the real world. Get over it, and either accept the fact that not everyone is "A" material, or is able to even understand what it takes to be "A" material. NAACP obiously falls under the latter.