N.C. Parents upset over Homosexual Children's book

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FrodoB

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If this book is permitted to be in the school library, the school should also allow religious books.
 

SViscusi

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Originally posted by: FrodoB
If this book is permitted to be in the school library, the school should also allow religious books.

Most schools do, I remember checking Oedipus Rex and The Illiad when I was in school. I think I nearly got around to Dante's Inferno before I discovered pot. It was all downhill from there though.
 
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Originally posted by: SViscusi
Originally posted by: FrodoB
If this book is permitted to be in the school library, the school should also allow religious books.

Most schools do, I remember checking Oedipus Rex and The Illiad when I was in school. I think I nearly got around to Dante's Inferno before I discovered pot. It was all downhill from there though.

yea but you weren't 8 years old
 

Zephyr106

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Originally posted by: Romans828
Originally posted by: BDawg
1. Reading about gays doesn't turn you gay. Touching a gay doesn't turn you into one
2. Not everyone in NC is as ignorant and backwoods as these people
3. Librarys cater to the openness of ideas, not bonfires


Reading books about sodomy does not turn you into a sodomite, but my kids have no business reading that either

Just beacause people are bothered by this type of book at this age does not make them ignorant nor backwards

librarys often cater to radical left wing agendas and radical objectives, this book CLEARLY carries an agenda.

Yeah Romans, like that radical left wing idea of not having an authoritarian state.

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Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Originally posted by: Romans828
Originally posted by: BDawg
1. Reading about gays doesn't turn you gay. Touching a gay doesn't turn you into one
2. Not everyone in NC is as ignorant and backwoods as these people
3. Librarys cater to the openness of ideas, not bonfires


Reading books about sodomy does not turn you into a sodomite, but my kids have no business reading that either

Just beacause people are bothered by this type of book at this age does not make them ignorant nor backwards

librarys often cater to radical left wing agendas and radical objectives, this book CLEARLY carries an agenda.

Yeah Romans, like that radical left wing idea of not having an authoritarian state.

Zephyr
oppression of freedom of independent thought is definitely a left-wing objective;

otherwise the term 'bigot' wouldn't be thrown around so idiotically, as it's 'OK' to censor bigots, isn't it? and it's OK to censor those that want to 'oppress' you, isn't it? and it's wrong to allow people to 'force' their religion down your through, isn't it?
 

dpm

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: BDawg Homosexuality and sodomy are not equatable...
when we say homosexual we're referring to people who engage in sodomy w/ people of the same sex.

Is this some kind of cunning plan to increase post count by putting one sentence per post? ;)

Anyway, the point is that thats a fallacy. I've known a few gays, and lived with a gay couple at university. For them, at least, sodomy wasn't on the menu.

But thats beside the point - its not like this book talks about sodomy or whatever - just as if your child brought home the book of sleeping beauty it wouldn't have pornographic pictures of her and the prince...
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
oppression of freedom of independent thought is definitely a left-wing objective;

otherwise the term 'bigot' wouldn't be thrown around so idiotically, as it's 'OK' to censor bigots, isn't it? and it's OK to censor those that want to 'oppress' you, isn't it? and it's wrong to allow people to 'force' their religion down your through, isn't it?

How is this oppression of freedom of independent thought?
 

BDawg

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: Romans828
Originally posted by: BDawg
1. Reading about gays doesn't turn you gay. Touching a gay doesn't turn you into one
2. Not everyone in NC is as ignorant and backwoods as these people
3. Librarys cater to the openness of ideas, not bonfires


Reading books about sodomy does not turn you into a sodomite, but my kids have no business reading that either

Just beacause people are bothered by this type of book at this age does not make them ignorant nor backwards

librarys often cater to radical left wing agendas and radical objectives, this book CLEARLY carries an agenda.

Homosexuality and sodomy are not equatable...

when we say homosexual we're referring to people who engage in sodomy w/ people of the same sex.

No, we're referring to people who are attracted to the same sex.

Children's books where the prince finds a princess are not about hot double penetration vaginal gangbangs. You're wrongly tying sex, which you woulndn't approve of even if it were heterosexual in these books, to the story.
 

BugsBunny1078

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My apologies to anyone who I unfairly made feel inferior, threatened or at-risk. God has given me a reminder to put some well thought out ideas that truly represent God into things I publicly speak about rather than blurting out the first thing that comes to mind , no matter how strong my reactive feelings are.
My feelings are that schools should not be contradicting fundamental beliefs of children's parents. In High School kids can be exposed to political opinions etc. in my view but only as long as all points of view are covered. Nothing should be presented as being the correct opinion by the teachers.
 

BDawg

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Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
My apologies to anyone who I unfairly made feel inferior, threatened or at-risk. God has given me a reminder to put some well thought out ideas that truly represent God into things I publicly speak about rather than blurting out the first thing that comes to mind , no matter how strong my reactive feelings are.
My feelings are that schools should not be contradicting fundamental beliefs of children's parents. In High School kids can be exposed to political opinions etc. in my view but only as long as all points of view are covered. Nothing should be presented as being the correct opinion by the teachers.

God speaks directly to you, eh? I suppose the cleansing of the wicked won't be long now..
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Sometimes God speaks in very subtle ways like a word of advice from a friend.
Or in crypric messages from Alphabet soup in your stool

 

JackStorm

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Originally posted by: FrodoB
If this book is permitted to be in the school library, the school should also allow religious books.

Agreed.

Either allow both (which I'd prefer) or ban both. If kids can read the bible, they should be allowed to read about gays. If people claim gay books have an agenda, they should also acknowledge that the bible (or any religious book for that matter) has an agenda.
 

Romans828

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Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: FrodoB
If this book is permitted to be in the school library, the school should also allow religious books.

Agreed.

Either allow both (which I'd prefer) or ban both. If kids can read the bible, they should be allowed to read about gays. If people claim gay books have an agenda, they should also acknowledge that the bible (or any religious book for that matter) has an agenda.


Actually I would argue that "The Bible" itself does not have an agenda, its really a rather open minded book covering all points of view, its the reader who decides how it applies if at all.

The gay book does have a particular "goal" in mind
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Romans828
Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: FrodoB
If this book is permitted to be in the school library, the school should also allow religious books.

Agreed.

Either allow both (which I'd prefer) or ban both. If kids can read the bible, they should be allowed to read about gays. If people claim gay books have an agenda, they should also acknowledge that the bible (or any religious book for that matter) has an agenda.


Actually I would argue that "The Bible" itself does not have an agenda, its really a rather open minded book covering all points of view, its the reader who decides how it applies if at all.
Wow now that'[s a load of Bullsh!t

The gay book does have a particular "goal" in mind
If one of my sons would have brought a book like that home when they were kids I'm sure we would of had countless hours of hilarity making fun of it!
 

JackStorm

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Originally posted by: Romans828
Actually I would argue that "The Bible" itself does not have an agenda, its really a rather open minded book covering all points of view, its the reader who decides how it applies if at all.

The gay book does have a particular "goal" in mind

I would say the Bible does have a "goal" in mind as well. To spread the word of God/Jesus and try to get as many people as it can to believe its ideology. Don't see how it would be any diffirent from a book about (or with) gays. Also, both _COULD_ (And in the Bibles case, has been) be used by dubious characters to spread their own agendas.
 

Romans828

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Wow now that'[s a load of Bullsh!t

Why do you say that, the Bible does not "scream" be a Christian or anything else....... You REALLY HAVE TO DIG it out


If one of my sons would have brought a book like that home when they were kids I'm sure we would of had countless hours of hilarity making fun of it!

You dont mean countless hours of homophobic behavior and gay bashing do you?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Romans828
Wow now that'[s a load of Bullsh!t

Why do you say that, the Bible does not "scream" be a Christian or anything else....... You REALLY HAVE TO DIG it out


If one of my sons would have brought a book like that home when they were kids I'm sure we would of had countless hours of hilarity making fun of it!

You dont mean countless hours of homophobic behavior and gay bashing do you?
Probably. That's ok though, I make fun of straight Princes too. I mean just look at Prince Charles! Nothing like Royal inbreading to create a handsome mug like that!
 

Romans828

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Probably. That's ok though, I make fun of straight Princes too. I mean just look at Prince Charles! Nothing like Royal inbreading to create a handsome mug like that!

Fair enough....... I agree that ALL princes are pretty gay


I would say the Bible does have a "goal" in mind as well. To spread the word of God/Jesus and try to get as many people as it can to believe its ideology. Don't see how it would be any diffirent from a book about (or with) gays. Also, both _COULD_ (And in the Bibles case, has been) be used by dubious characters to spread their own agendas.

The Bible really does not have a goal unto itself. Its just a really complex book. People use it to help "spread the word" as it is "The Word" but its actually quite full of many diverse points of view.

Try reading it from a perspective of what is actual said verses what you think it means
 

JackStorm

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Originally posted by: Romans828


Try reading it from a perspective of what is actual said verses what you think it means

Already have, I've just formed an opinion as to what I think the Bible is trying to do. This may come as a surprice to you, but I wasn't always like this. I just had a little reality check some years back and since then my opinion of religion as a whole (not just the bible) has been pretty low.

Also, I could ask you to do the same thing. As I seem to recall you telling another christian in another thread some time ago what YOU thought the Bible was about and that HE was wrong in how to perceived the bible and that his way of christianity was wrong.

Edit: We're getting off topic again, Romans828 (Talk about deja-vu). Lets stop hijacking the thread with Bible discussions and get back to the topic at hand, which is gay books :p
 

Romans828

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Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: Romans828


Try reading it from a perspective of what is actual said verses what you think it means

Already have, I've just formed an opinion as to what I think the Bible is trying to do. This may come as a surprice to you, but I wasn't always like this. I just had a little reality check some years back and since then my opinion of religion as a whole (not just the bible) has been pretty low.

Also, I could ask you to do the same thing. As I seem to recall you telling another christian in another thread some time ago what YOU thought the Bible was about and that HE was wrong in how to perceived the bible and that his way of christianity was wrong.

Edit: We're getting off topic again, Romans828 (Talk about deja-vu). Lets stop hijacking the thread with Bible discussions and get back to the topic at hand, which is gay books :p



Fine with me but I did not bring up the Bible in this thread.

gay books have no place in school its simple aggenda pushing.

I have children and its very difficult to raise them in these days of political correctness and insane doctrine.

I draw the line at being asked to explain abnormal un-natural behavior as "an exceptable lifestyle choice" to my own kids. Aint gonna happen.

Being gay is a mental/physical abnormality nothing more or less and it is not acceptible to pass it of as a "normal" or "natural" thing.

They "the gay community" at large have been given an inch but are taking a mile. Alot of the rest of us have had enough.

Turning Adam and Eve into Adam and Steve is beyond the pail

 

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I'm glad I'm a tolerant person who doesn't take offence when numerous bigots expose themselves in a pubic forum. However disgusting they think sodomy is, is exactly how disgusting they make themselves out to be. It's amazing how ugly 'people of god' can be because they reflect their inner ugliness on everything they touch, even their children, turning them into ugly little replicas. Everybody hates the educated because they leave the ignorant in their ignorance and expose it for what it is.