Mythbusters to take on "the plane and the treadmill" conundrum?

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
kids these days....

Its time to move one. THE PLANE WILL NOT FLY.

If you put this much effort in finding a girlfriend, its possible you can get one.
Let you right arm rest, its significantly bigger than your left.

Note that given a snow field you can replace a airplanes wheels with skis, and the plane takes off. You can't replace a cars wheels with skis. You can also replace a planes wheels with floats and takeoff from water. You're still wrong - even when you type in all caps.

goodwork kid, you just changed the facts to suit your needs. stick to the program.
plane, wheel and treadmill.

When you understand why you can replace the wheels of an airplane, but not a cars, you'll understand why the plane takes off. Until then, you'll have to continue to resort to attempts at insults instead of logic and physics.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Garth
To both Mason and SmackDown:

Can either of you supply any links that corroborate your claims?

Do you have any idea how many independent links I can supply that support the obvious conclusion that the plane will take off?

What do you make of that?

Garth it doesnt matter how many links you can provide, because if its written by kids like you, its not worth a cent. remember when people thought the world was flat and only 1 said it was round?

But how many links can you provide? Any?

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Garth
To both Mason and SmackDown:

Can either of you supply any links that corroborate your claims?

Do you have any idea how many independent links I can supply that support the obvious conclusion that the plane will take off?

What do you make of that?

Lol I can go edit Wikipedia if you want. Links are pointless because I bet they all cover the other interpretation of the question.

So the answer is no, then.

What "other" interpretation? There is only 1 coherent interpretation. Also, realize that implicit in your statement is the concession that there is at least 1 interpretation that describes a scenario where the plane takes off.

Tell me what you think the 2 interpretations are. What is the "other" interpretation that none of the links cover?

BTW you still need to respond to my questions about whether or not I have correctly understood your argument. Why won't you respond to that?

Read the thread I have posted many times that there are two interperations to the question.

One treadmill matches ground speed of the plane and it takes off.
Two treadmill matches speed of the plane relative to the treadmill and it doesn't take off. For the last 800 post everyone has been talking about the second because it is the only one worth debating.

 

[MasonLuke]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
kids these days....

Its time to move one. THE PLANE WILL NOT FLY.

If you put this much effort in finding a girlfriend, its possible you can get one.
Let you right arm rest, its significantly bigger than your left.

Note that given a snow field you can replace a airplanes wheels with skis, and the plane takes off. You can't replace a cars wheels with skis. You can also replace a planes wheels with floats and takeoff from water. You're still wrong - even when you type in all caps.

goodwork kid, you just changed the facts to suit your needs. stick to the program.
plane, wheel and treadmill.

When you understand why you can replace the wheels of an airplane, but not a cars, you'll understand why the plane takes off. Until then, you'll have to continue to resort to attempts at insults instead of logic and physics.

so throw the treadmill out the door? we all seen plane on skiis fly. please take your stupidity elsewhere.

 

[jimbob200521]

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
kids these days....

Its time to move one. THE PLANE WILL NOT FLY.

If you put this much effort in finding a girlfriend, its possible you can get one.
Let you right arm rest, its significantly bigger than your left.

Note that given a snow field you can replace a airplanes wheels with skis, and the plane takes off. You can't replace a cars wheels with skis. You can also replace a planes wheels with floats and takeoff from water. You're still wrong - even when you type in all caps.

goodwork kid, you just changed the facts to suit your needs. stick to the program.
plane, wheel and treadmill.

When you understand why you can replace the wheels of an airplane, but not a cars, you'll understand why the plane takes off. Until then, you'll have to continue to resort to attempts at insults instead of logic and physics.

so throw the treadmill out the door? we all seen plane on skiis fly. please take your stupidity elsewhere.

Why won't you answer any questions about your age?

It is clear that you are young and immature, and trying to act older by insulting other people.

That or you actually have a mental illness, in which case I am sorry for any insults that you may have taken from me.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Garth
To both Mason and SmackDown:

Can either of you supply any links that corroborate your claims?

Do you have any idea how many independent links I can supply that support the obvious conclusion that the plane will take off?

What do you make of that?

Lol I can go edit Wikipedia if you want. Links are pointless because I bet they all cover the other interpretation of the question.

So the answer is no, then.

What "other" interpretation? There is only 1 coherent interpretation. Also, realize that implicit in your statement is the concession that there is at least 1 interpretation that describes a scenario where the plane takes off.

Tell me what you think the 2 interpretations are. What is the "other" interpretation that none of the links cover?

BTW you still need to respond to my questions about whether or not I have correctly understood your argument. Why won't you respond to that?

Read the thread I have posted many times that there are two interperations to the question.

One treadmill matches ground speed of the plane and it takes off.
Two treadmill matches speed of the plane relative to the treadmill and it doesn't take off. For the last 800 post everyone has been talking about the second because it is the only one worth debating.

As I have already explained, and you did not even ATTEMPT to contest, the 2nd interpretation is incoherent, so it is not a valid interpretation.

Answer my questions regarding my summary of your argument above, please.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: jimbob200521

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
kids these days....

Its time to move one. THE PLANE WILL NOT FLY.

If you put this much effort in finding a girlfriend, its possible you can get one.
Let you right arm rest, its significantly bigger than your left.

Note that given a snow field you can replace a airplanes wheels with skis, and the plane takes off. You can't replace a cars wheels with skis. You can also replace a planes wheels with floats and takeoff from water. You're still wrong - even when you type in all caps.

goodwork kid, you just changed the facts to suit your needs. stick to the program.
plane, wheel and treadmill.

When you understand why you can replace the wheels of an airplane, but not a cars, you'll understand why the plane takes off. Until then, you'll have to continue to resort to attempts at insults instead of logic and physics.

so throw the treadmill out the door? we all seen plane on skiis fly. please take your stupidity elsewhere.

Why won't you answer any questions about your age?

It is clear that you are young and immature, and trying to act older by insulting other people.

That or you actually have a mental illness, in which case I am sorry for any insults that you may have taken from me.

It has already been explained to you the difference between ski and wheels. Skies do not require any energy to accelerate like wheels do. For angular acceleration the energy required for linear acceleration is the same given the same mass. But linear acceleration doesn't matter because the plane doesn't move.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder


Everyone is invited to read the sections under symptoms and diagnosis and reflect about the behaviors of the two trolls.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Garth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder


Everyone is invited to read the sections under symptoms and diagnosis and reflect about the behaviors of the two trolls.

Anyone wishing to show the plane can take off or the question is invalid under the assumption that the treadmill matches the speed of the plane relative to the treadmill please just leave out any crappy analogies and write the equations for the interaction between the wheels, treadmill and plane. Then show that the force on the plane via the wheels is bounded anything else is just shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

Just show that and you can prove we are wrong. No need for your trolling.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
kids these days....

Its time to move one. THE PLANE WILL NOT FLY.

If you put this much effort in finding a girlfriend, its possible you can get one.
Let you right arm rest, its significantly bigger than your left.

Note that given a snow field you can replace a airplanes wheels with skis, and the plane takes off. You can't replace a cars wheels with skis. You can also replace a planes wheels with floats and takeoff from water. You're still wrong - even when you type in all caps.

goodwork kid, you just changed the facts to suit your needs. stick to the program.
plane, wheel and treadmill.

When you understand why you can replace the wheels of an airplane, but not a cars, you'll understand why the plane takes off. Until then, you'll have to continue to resort to attempts at insults instead of logic and physics.

so throw the treadmill out the door? we all seen plane on skiis fly. please take your stupidity elsewhere.

Ah, an insult. How predictably puerile.

 

[Rangoric]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
kids these days....

Its time to move one. THE PLANE WILL NOT FLY.

If you put this much effort in finding a girlfriend, its possible you can get one.
Let you right arm rest, its significantly bigger than your left.

Note that given a snow field you can replace a airplanes wheels with skis, and the plane takes off. You can't replace a cars wheels with skis. You can also replace a planes wheels with floats and takeoff from water. You're still wrong - even when you type in all caps.

There is a big difference between wheels and skies. Wheel require force to give them angular acceleration skies do not. So please leave your stupid and wrong analogies at the door.

Yes thats right there is a huge difference. GJ missing the point though. The point of the analogy is that if the wheels mattered you could not get a plane to take off unless you had those wheels. The ability of a plane to take off sans wheels shows they are just there and not used for locomotion.

Want some proof that the plane will move? Do this little experiment.

You will require:
1 Treadmill
1 Rollerblade

The rollerblade is the plane. With the treadmill on, put the rollerblade down holding it where it is so the wheels spin. Do note that any force pulling your hand back is the result of crappy wheels aka friction in the bearings.

Your hand is now the jet engine. Push the blade forward. You can turn the treadmill up as much as you want while pushing it forward.

Can you push it forward? If so, then the plane will fly. If not, you're a wimp and prolly need a weightlifting set instead of a treadmill

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: jimbob200521

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
kids these days....

Its time to move one. THE PLANE WILL NOT FLY.

If you put this much effort in finding a girlfriend, its possible you can get one.
Let you right arm rest, its significantly bigger than your left.

Note that given a snow field you can replace a airplanes wheels with skis, and the plane takes off. You can't replace a cars wheels with skis. You can also replace a planes wheels with floats and takeoff from water. You're still wrong - even when you type in all caps.

goodwork kid, you just changed the facts to suit your needs. stick to the program.
plane, wheel and treadmill.

When you understand why you can replace the wheels of an airplane, but not a cars, you'll understand why the plane takes off. Until then, you'll have to continue to resort to attempts at insults instead of logic and physics.

so throw the treadmill out the door? we all seen plane on skiis fly. please take your stupidity elsewhere.

Why won't you answer any questions about your age?

It is clear that you are young and immature, and trying to act older by insulting other people.

That or you actually have a mental illness, in which case I am sorry for any insults that you may have taken from me.

It has already been explained to you the difference between ski and wheels. Skies do not require any energy to accelerate like wheels do. For angular acceleration the energy required for linear acceleration is the same given the same mass. But linear acceleration doesn't matter because the plane doesn't move.

Skis require energy for movement as they have friction.

 

[Rangoric]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Garth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder


Everyone is invited to read the sections under symptoms and diagnosis and reflect about the behaviors of the two trolls.

Anyone wishing to show the plane can take off or the question is invalid under the assumption that the treadmill matches the speed of the plane relative to the treadmill please just leave out any crappy analogies and write the equations for the interaction between the wheels, treadmill and plane. Then show that the force on the plane via the wheels is bounded anything else is just shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

Just show that and you can prove we are wrong. No need for your trolling.

No need, frictionless wheels. Next?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF
THE PLANE DOES NOT TAKE OFF

WHY?

Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.
Because ATOT will crash from the BS discussions that are going on.


Ok in all seriousness, if you can't see why the plane doesn't take off, can we just throw a VERY VERY CAREFUL explanation on a Wiki site and just link to it? IF people say it doesn't take off, QUOTE + paste link.

 

[MasonLuke]

Originally posted by: jimbob200521

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
kids these days....

Its time to move one. THE PLANE WILL NOT FLY.

If you put this much effort in finding a girlfriend, its possible you can get one.
Let you right arm rest, its significantly bigger than your left.

Note that given a snow field you can replace a airplanes wheels with skis, and the plane takes off. You can't replace a cars wheels with skis. You can also replace a planes wheels with floats and takeoff from water. You're still wrong - even when you type in all caps.

goodwork kid, you just changed the facts to suit your needs. stick to the program.
plane, wheel and treadmill.

When you understand why you can replace the wheels of an airplane, but not a cars, you'll understand why the plane takes off. Until then, you'll have to continue to resort to attempts at insults instead of logic and physics.

so throw the treadmill out the door? we all seen plane on skiis fly. please take your stupidity elsewhere.

Why won't you answer any questions about your age?

It is clear that you are young and immature, and trying to act older by insulting other people.

That or you actually have a mental illness, in which case I am sorry for any insults that you may have taken from me.

why the hell do you want to know my age, thats none of your business.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: jimbob200521

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
kids these days....

Its time to move one. THE PLANE WILL NOT FLY.

If you put this much effort in finding a girlfriend, its possible you can get one.
Let you right arm rest, its significantly bigger than your left.

Note that given a snow field you can replace a airplanes wheels with skis, and the plane takes off. You can't replace a cars wheels with skis. You can also replace a planes wheels with floats and takeoff from water. You're still wrong - even when you type in all caps.

goodwork kid, you just changed the facts to suit your needs. stick to the program.
plane, wheel and treadmill.

When you understand why you can replace the wheels of an airplane, but not a cars, you'll understand why the plane takes off. Until then, you'll have to continue to resort to attempts at insults instead of logic and physics.

so throw the treadmill out the door? we all seen plane on skiis fly. please take your stupidity elsewhere.

Why won't you answer any questions about your age?

It is clear that you are young and immature, and trying to act older by insulting other people.

That or you actually have a mental illness, in which case I am sorry for any insults that you may have taken from me.

It has already been explained to you the difference between ski and wheels. Skies do not require any energy to accelerate like wheels do. For angular acceleration the energy required for linear acceleration is the same given the same mass. But linear acceleration doesn't matter because the plane doesn't move.

Skis require energy for movement as they have friction.

Ignoring friction dumdass

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Garth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder


Everyone is invited to read the sections under symptoms and diagnosis and reflect about the behaviors of the two trolls.

Anyone wishing to show the plane can take off or the question is invalid under the assumption that the treadmill matches the speed of the plane relative to the treadmill please just leave out any crappy analogies and write the equations for the interaction between the wheels, treadmill and plane. Then show that the force on the plane via the wheels is bounded anything else is just shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

Just show that and you can prove we are wrong. No need for your trolling.

No need, frictionless wheels. Next?

Friction isn't the only force.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: jimbob200521

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
kids these days....

Its time to move one. THE PLANE WILL NOT FLY.

If you put this much effort in finding a girlfriend, its possible you can get one.
Let you right arm rest, its significantly bigger than your left.

Note that given a snow field you can replace a airplanes wheels with skis, and the plane takes off. You can't replace a cars wheels with skis. You can also replace a planes wheels with floats and takeoff from water. You're still wrong - even when you type in all caps.

goodwork kid, you just changed the facts to suit your needs. stick to the program.
plane, wheel and treadmill.

When you understand why you can replace the wheels of an airplane, but not a cars, you'll understand why the plane takes off. Until then, you'll have to continue to resort to attempts at insults instead of logic and physics.

so throw the treadmill out the door? we all seen plane on skiis fly. please take your stupidity elsewhere.

Why won't you answer any questions about your age?

It is clear that you are young and immature, and trying to act older by insulting other people.

That or you actually have a mental illness, in which case I am sorry for any insults that you may have taken from me.

It has already been explained to you the difference between ski and wheels. Skies do not require any energy to accelerate like wheels do. For angular acceleration the energy required for linear acceleration is the same given the same mass. But linear acceleration doesn't matter because the plane doesn't move.

Skis require energy for movement as they have friction.

Ignoring friction dumdass

dumdass? Nice attempt at spelling.

 

[kthroyer]

Originally posted by: kthroyer
I have a question for the physics experts out there. If you took an airplane and suspended it in air, lets say by a superstrong thread, and spun the wheels of the airplane backwards at a high rpm. What would the airplane do?

Would it:

Move backwards

or

Move forward

or

Not move anywhere.

How would the spinning wheels act on the airplane?

Is this the force that smackdown is saying would keep the airplane from moving forward? I really would like to know.

Can someone answer this?

 

[MasonLuke]

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
kids these days....

Its time to move one. THE PLANE WILL NOT FLY.

If you put this much effort in finding a girlfriend, its possible you can get one.
Let you right arm rest, its significantly bigger than your left.

Note that given a snow field you can replace a airplanes wheels with skis, and the plane takes off. You can't replace a cars wheels with skis. You can also replace a planes wheels with floats and takeoff from water. You're still wrong - even when you type in all caps.

There is a big difference between wheels and skies. Wheel require force to give them angular acceleration skies do not. So please leave your stupid and wrong analogies at the door.

Yes thats right there is a huge difference. GJ missing the point though. The point of the analogy is that if the wheels mattered you could not get a plane to take off unless you had those wheels. The ability of a plane to take off sans wheels shows they are just there and not used for locomotion.

Want some proof that the plane will move? Do this little experiment.

You will require:
1 Treadmill
1 Rollerblade

The rollerblade is the plane. With the treadmill on, put the rollerblade down holding it where it is so the wheels spin. Do note that any force pulling your hand back is the result of crappy wheels aka friction in the bearings.

Your hand is now the jet engine. Push the blade forward. You can turn the treadmill up as much as you want while pushing it forward.

Can you push it forward? If so, then the plane will fly. If not, you're a wimp and prolly need a weightlifting set instead of a treadmill

Hey kid, can you lift yourself with a rope? no.

now lets make some changes to fit the need. if i use a pulley i can lift myself with a rope.

thats all you did kiddo.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: kthroyer

Originally posted by: kthroyer
I have a question for the physics experts out there. If you took an airplane and suspended it in air, lets say by a superstrong thread, and spun the wheels of the airplane backwards at a high rpm. What would the airplane do?

Would it:

Move backwards

or

Move forward

or

Not move anywhere.

How would the spinning wheels act on the airplane?

Is this the force that smackdown is saying would keep the airplane from moving forward? I really would like to know.

Can someone answer this?

A wheel spinning by its self does nothing. You need an acceleration to provided a force.

 

[jimbob200521]

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: jimbob200521

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
kids these days....

Its time to move one. THE PLANE WILL NOT FLY.

If you put this much effort in finding a girlfriend, its possible you can get one.
Let you right arm rest, its significantly bigger than your left.

Note that given a snow field you can replace a airplanes wheels with skis, and the plane takes off. You can't replace a cars wheels with skis. You can also replace a planes wheels with floats and takeoff from water. You're still wrong - even when you type in all caps.

goodwork kid, you just changed the facts to suit your needs. stick to the program.
plane, wheel and treadmill.

When you understand why you can replace the wheels of an airplane, but not a cars, you'll understand why the plane takes off. Until then, you'll have to continue to resort to attempts at insults instead of logic and physics.

so throw the treadmill out the door? we all seen plane on skiis fly. please take your stupidity elsewhere.

Why won't you answer any questions about your age?

It is clear that you are young and immature, and trying to act older by insulting other people.

That or you actually have a mental illness, in which case I am sorry for any insults that you may have taken from me.

why the hell do you want to know my age, thats none of your business.

Ok, I was wrong; you avoided the question all together.

I was wanting to know your age so I could attempt to put a reason with your immature insults to people.

 

[amish]

Originally posted by: kthroyer

Originally posted by: kthroyer
I have a question for the physics experts out there. If you took an airplane and suspended it in air, lets say by a superstrong thread, and spun the wheels of the airplane backwards at a high rpm. What would the airplane do?

Would it:

Move backwards

or

Move forward

or

Not move anywhere.

How would the spinning wheels act on the airplane?

Is this the force that smackdown is saying would keep the airplane from moving forward? I really would like to know.

Can someone answer this?

it wouldn't go anywhere. a simple test to prove it would be to take a RC car, hold it in the air with string, and have the wheels spin in any direction. the car won't move because wheels do not push air like a propeller does.

spinning wheels on an airplane don't mean a thing. the planes power comes from the propeller. a propeller is called a propeller because it propells(moves) the plane forward. the wheels don't mean sh!t. they exist to reduce friction on take off and for safety.

 

[thraashman]

Originally posted by: amish

Originally posted by: kthroyer

Originally posted by: kthroyer
I have a question for the physics experts out there. If you took an airplane and suspended it in air, lets say by a superstrong thread, and spun the wheels of the airplane backwards at a high rpm. What would the airplane do?

Would it:

Move backwards

or

Move forward

or

Not move anywhere.

How would the spinning wheels act on the airplane?

Is this the force that smackdown is saying would keep the airplane from moving forward? I really would like to know.

Can someone answer this?

it wouldn't go anywhere. a simple test to prove it would be to take a RC car, hold it in the air with string, and have the wheels spin in any direction. the car won't move because wheels do not push air like a propeller does.

spinning wheels on an airplane don't mean a thing. the planes power comes from the propeller. a propeller is called a propeller because it propells(moves) the plane forward. the wheels don't mean sh!t. they exist to reduce friction on take off and for safety.

Exactly, this isn't even testable without tethering the plane in place because the propellors or engine will make the plane move forward regardless of any treadmill.

 

[jimbob200521]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Garth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder


Everyone is invited to read the sections under symptoms and diagnosis and reflect about the behaviors of the two trolls.

Anyone wishing to show the plane can take off or the question is invalid under the assumption that the treadmill matches the speed of the plane relative to the treadmill please just leave out any crappy analogies and write the equations for the interaction between the wheels, treadmill and plane. Then show that the force on the plane via the wheels is bounded anything else is just shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

Just show that and you can prove we are wrong. No need for your trolling.

No need, frictionless wheels. Next?

Friction isn't the only force.

Acting on the wheels, it is.

Ahhh...so this is where your confusion comes from. Friction is the only force that acts on the plane between the ground and the plane (and no, before you say it, the friction does not act directly on the plane).