My STUPID coworker things Jet Li can beat up the current UFC champions

[E equals MC2]

I told him "you know people don't get knocked back 30 ft when they get kicked right?" "If a grappler gets hold of Jet Li, he is absolutely history."

Then he throws all these name-calling about how UFC champions are nothing but meatheads, etc.

You know when someone is SO dense, you don't even know where to begin? I feel like that right now.

"Do you honestly believe he'd fare well against UFC fighters in their own cage home? I think he would get raped. "

I think martial arts in real life isn't magic like seen in TVs or movies. A well-trained MIXED MARTIAL ARTS trained grappler (ie a common UFC fighter) can just take a defended hit from Jet and come grab him.

Jet Li, who's been trained one-dimensionally and only championed against others that are likes of him and his style, would not know what to do and get his arm/leg broken through their holds.

 

[pontifex]

Well Jet Li does know real martial arts. he's practiced it all his life. its not like all he knows is movie martial arts.

 

[MyThirdEye]

There is no winner when Dr.Phil fights Oprah.

 

[torpid]

Who are the current champs anyway? He would definitely win the "striking" aspect against most UFC fighters.

 

[Jhill]

Who cares? Jean-Claude Van Damme would kill them all anyway.

 

[dougp]

Originally posted by: pontifex
Well Jet Li does know real martial arts. he's practiced it all his life. its not like all he knows is movie martial arts.

Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris & Seagal.

They're all true martial artists, and would probably give the top MMA champs a good run for the money ... try to find the videos, the speed that they have is INSANE. And if you wanna talk grappling, watch someone who does Aikido (Seagal) but check the videos online for the throws.

 

[E equals MC2]

Originally posted by: torpid
Who are the current champs anyway? He would definitely win the "striking" aspect against most UFC fighters.

Do you honestly believe he'd fare well against UFC fighters in their own cage home? I think he would get raped.

I think martial arts in real life isn't magic like seen in TVs or movies. A well-trained MIXED MARTIAL ARTS trained grappler (ie a common UFC fighter) can just take a defended hit from Jet and come grab him.

Jet Li, who's been trained one-dimensionally and only championed against others that are likes of him and his style, would not know what to do and get his arm/leg broken through their holds.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: dreadpiratedoug

Originally posted by: pontifex
Well Jet Li does know real martial arts. he's practiced it all his life. its not like all he knows is movie martial arts.

Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris & Seagal.

They're all true martial artists, and would probably give the top MMA champs a good run for the money ... try to find the videos, the speed that they have is INSANE. And if you wanna talk grappling, watch someone who does Aikido (Seagal) but check the videos online for the throws.

I thought Jackie Chan just had training in theatrics and not any actual martial art...?

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: amjohns5
There is no winner when Dr.Phil fights Oprah.

Wrong - we all win.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: E equals MC2

Originally posted by: torpid
Who are the current champs anyway? He would definitely win the "striking" aspect against most UFC fighters.

Do you honestly believe he'd fare well against UFC fighters in their own cage home? I think he would get raped.

I think martial arts in real life isn't magic like seen in TVs or movies. A well-trained MIXED MARTIAL ARTS trained grappler (ie a common UFC fighter) can just take a defended hit from Jet and come grab him.

Jet Li, who's been trained one-dimensionally and only championed against others that are likes of him and his style, would not know what to do and get his arm/leg broken through their holds.

unless he *gasp* trained for the fight... Im not saying he would beat anyone whatsoever. what I am saying is that noone can be sure of anything unless it actually happpens. and that will never happen.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: E equals MC2
Do you honestly believe he'd fare well against UFC fighters in their own cage home? I think he would get raped.

I think martial arts in real life isn't magic like seen in TVs or movies. A well-trained MIXED MARTIAL ARTS trained grappler (ie a common UFC fighter) can just take a defended hit from Jet and come grab him.

Jet Li, who's been trained one-dimensionally and only championed against others that are likes of him and his style, would not know what to do and get his arm/leg broken through their holds.

I think he'd do ok against people who are one dimensional strikers. Also, if they fought on the street, a lot of MMA skills do not fully translate because they assume a mat beneath you and not being able to gouge or do small joint manipulation. I don't know if Jet Li's art teaches those things but if they do, it would be a world of hurt for an MMA fighter who is not trained in defending small joint manipulation.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: dreadpiratedoug

Originally posted by: pontifex
Well Jet Li does know real martial arts. he's practiced it all his life. its not like all he knows is movie martial arts.

Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris & Seagal.

They're all true martial artists, and would probably give the top MMA champs a good run for the money ... try to find the videos, the speed that they have is INSANE. And if you wanna talk grappling, watch someone who does Aikido (Seagal) but check the videos online for the throws.

I thought Jackie Chan just had training in theatrics and not any actual martial art...?

He trained in acrobatics and martial arts as a kid

 

[dougp]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: dreadpiratedoug

Originally posted by: pontifex
Well Jet Li does know real martial arts. he's practiced it all his life. its not like all he knows is movie martial arts.

Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris & Seagal.

They're all true martial artists, and would probably give the top MMA champs a good run for the money ... try to find the videos, the speed that they have is INSANE. And if you wanna talk grappling, watch someone who does Aikido (Seagal) but check the videos online for the throws.

I thought Jackie Chan just had training in theatrics and not any actual martial art...?

He trained in martial arts, guess just not to the level of the others listed. My bad! Sorry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_chan

 

[Modeps]

This thread fails. If Jet Li DIDNT train for an MMA specific even, he could still hold his own. Sure, he may not be great at the grappling aspect, but he's smart enough not to get stuck in that. He's probably knock his opponent out with a kick to the face they didnt even see coming.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
He trained in acrobatics and martial arts as a kid

Whoops, I didn't realize that the opera training included actual martial arts.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: dreadpiratedoug

Originally posted by: pontifex
Well Jet Li does know real martial arts. he's practiced it all his life. its not like all he knows is movie martial arts.

Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris & Seagal.

They're all true martial artists, and would probably give the top MMA champs a good run for the money ... try to find the videos, the speed that they have is INSANE. And if you wanna talk grappling, watch someone who does Aikido (Seagal) but check the videos online for the throws.

as good as they are (well maybe nto Seagal) i am not sure they would win in a MMA fight.

 

[Chronoshock]

In the early days of MMA, I believe there was a lot of diversity of fighting styles (and fighters were more one dimensional) so you'd see a karate champion vs. a sumo wrestler for instance. After the effects of BJJ (i.e. the Gracie family) were seen, the scene changed and many fighters were forced to become more well rounded, adapting strategies from other disciplines to strengthen their ground game, submission defenses, etc. The martial arts movie stars, while skilled at their individual disciplines, are not trained for the MMA environment. Another important thing to note is that these stars appear to dominate in movies not just because of the obvious reason (its choreographed so they look good, duh), but they also use moves which would be illegal under the current MMA rules. Finally, its not really a fair comparison since most of the movie stars do not have a lot of muscle bulk and would have to be compared to the lower weight classes in which there aren't many prominent MMA stars (not who you picture in a matchup involving a "UFC champion")

 

[SlowSpyder]

OP, the real question is if who'd win in a fight in outter space, naked, with just a pair of shades.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: E equals MC2
Do you honestly believe he'd fare well against UFC fighters in their own cage home? I think he would get raped.

I think martial arts in real life isn't magic like seen in TVs or movies. A well-trained MIXED MARTIAL ARTS trained grappler (ie a common UFC fighter) can just take a defended hit from Jet and come grab him.

Jet Li, who's been trained one-dimensionally and only championed against others that are likes of him and his style, would not know what to do and get his arm/leg broken through their holds.

I think he'd do ok against people who are one dimensional strikers. Also, if they fought on the street, a lot of MMA skills do not fully translate because they assume a mat beneath you and not being able to gouge or do small joint manipulation. I don't know if Jet Li's art teaches those things but if they do, it would be a world of hurt for an MMA fighter who is not trained in defending small joint manipulation.

Hahaha, you have no idea what you are talking about. The MMA rules limit what most of the fighters can do. If they fought Jet Li, in his prime, in a streetfight, they would absolutely destroy him.

Jet Li is a Wushu champion. It is basically a martial art for show, there is no one on one combat involved. Even Jet Li has admitted himself that he would lose to most top MMA fighters.

 

[Bryophyte]

He's probably just yanking your chain to watch you get all spazzed out over something so stupid. Cheap entertainment, seeing someone froth at the mouth.

 

[E equals MC2]

Originally posted by: Modeps
This thread fails. If Jet Li DIDNT train for an MMA specific even, he could still hold his own. Sure, he may not be great at the grappling aspect, but he's smart enough not to get stuck in that. He's probably knock his opponent out with a kick to the face they didnt even see coming.

You do know Jet is NOT a magical lightning bolt who can poof in and out of places right? In a UFC CAGE, you're gonna get grappled sooner or later. No questions about it. Watch any UFC fights and see how it pans out.

Also Jet's (or anyone's) kicks or punches aren't made of cannons. As long as it doens't hit your crucial spots (head, face, chin) you're not gonna suddenly KNOCK OUT. A grappler can take a hit or two and charge in and grab Jet in the cage. No questions about it. And when that happens, Jet is history.

 

[E equals MC2]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: E equals MC2
Do you honestly believe he'd fare well against UFC fighters in their own cage home? I think he would get raped.

I think martial arts in real life isn't magic like seen in TVs or movies. A well-trained MIXED MARTIAL ARTS trained grappler (ie a common UFC fighter) can just take a defended hit from Jet and come grab him.

Jet Li, who's been trained one-dimensionally and only championed against others that are likes of him and his style, would not know what to do and get his arm/leg broken through their holds.

I think he'd do ok against people who are one dimensional strikers. Also, if they fought on the street, a lot of MMA skills do not fully translate because they assume a mat beneath you and not being able to gouge or do small joint manipulation. I don't know if Jet Li's art teaches those things but if they do, it would be a world of hurt for an MMA fighter who is not trained in defending small joint manipulation.

Hahaha, you have no idea what you are talking about. The MMA rules limit what most of the fighters can do. If they fought Jet Li, in his prime, in a streetfight, they would absolutely destroy him.

Jet Li is a Wushu champion. It is basically a martial art for show, there is no one on one combat involved. Even Jet Li has admitted himself that he would lose to most top MMA fighters.

elaborate this

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: amjohns5
There is no winner when Dr.Phil fights Oprah.

Aren't we all winners?

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: amjohns5
There is no winner when Dr.Phil fights Oprah.

Aren't we all winners?

only if they fight to the death, with the winner going on to wrestle a grizzly bear

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: E equals MC2
Do you honestly believe he'd fare well against UFC fighters in their own cage home? I think he would get raped.

I think martial arts in real life isn't magic like seen in TVs or movies. A well-trained MIXED MARTIAL ARTS trained grappler (ie a common UFC fighter) can just take a defended hit from Jet and come grab him.

Jet Li, who's been trained one-dimensionally and only championed against others that are likes of him and his style, would not know what to do and get his arm/leg broken through their holds.

I think he'd do ok against people who are one dimensional strikers. Also, if they fought on the street, a lot of MMA skills do not fully translate because they assume a mat beneath you and not being able to gouge or do small joint manipulation. I don't know if Jet Li's art teaches those things but if they do, it would be a world of hurt for an MMA fighter who is not trained in defending small joint manipulation.

Hahaha, you have no idea what you are talking about. The MMA rules limit what most of the fighters can do. If they fought Jet Li, in his prime, in a streetfight, they would absolutely destroy him.

Jet Li is a Wushu champion. It is basically a martial art for show, there is no one on one combat involved. Even Jet Li has admitted himself that he would lose to most top MMA fighters.

Yeah, the MMA rules limit what the fighters can do, therefore many of them never train to defend things such as small joint manipulation or throws which would cause serious damage on concrete. In the early days of UFC some of those things were allowed, but they aren't anymore.

There is also a sparring Wushu. But it does appear that Jet Li only did the "forms" Wushu so in fact he would have no chance against anyone trained in a "real" martial art.