My solution to the broken American tax system

[3chordcharlie]

Tell me again why the RATE is the problem? Why is the same RATE the issue, since the guy making 25M at the same rate will pay 100x MORE in taxes than
the guy making 250K, when both are at the same rate. And don't start that "marginal utility" crap again.


Seems to me that some people want the following scenario, but they don't dare come out and say it directly:
Person A makes $50k. Person B makes $150k. To be "fair" tax them at different rates so after taxes person A and person B both have $40k left. That makes it "fair" right?

OK so maybe I'm jumping off the deep end here, and I sure hope that not all you graduated income tax proponents feel that way, but some people sure seem to.

No 'graduated tax' proponent worth paying attention to would want that system.

Any system must at a minimum provide that you be 'better off' for every dollar you earn. Folks won't quit making money at any tax rate less than 100%, but they will quit if they get nothing. It's the same reason employees don't work volunteer overtime.

 

[DCal430]

Some please explain why if someone dies with a billion dollars, why should s/he be able to give most of it to their family who didn't earn it? This person has hoarded this wealth, and failed to put it back into the economy were it belonged. Inheritence is a stupid idea, and the government should take most assets at the time of death.

 

[MotF Bane]

Some please explain why if someone dies with a billion dollars, why should s/he be able to give most of it to their family who didn't earn it? This person has hoarded this wealth, and failed to put it back into the economy were it belonged. Inheritence is a stupid idea, and the government should take most assets at the time of death.

Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[DCal430]

Obvious troll is obvious.

Trolling how?

The idea of hoarding wealth to leave it to your decendents is a stupid one.

 

[matt0611]

Trolling how?

The idea of hoarding wealth to leave it to your decendents is a stupid one.

Hoarding wealth?
So he put it in a mattress?

No, actually he invested it out to let people get loans or gave a company capital to create jobs or lent it to a government etc

Your knowledge of economics is laughable.
Stop posting and go to cuba already.

 

[Darwin333]

I don't get any anyone other than small business owners has to file taxes. Our income is reported so why do WE have to send the IRS W2 forms? Why can't I just go on a website, submit my moving expenses, confirm numbers of dependents, etc?

I have always said that the way we pay taxes is royally fucked up.

ANYONE else in the world that I owe money to, they send me a bill (often with a postage paid envelope to mail the check back to them). OTOH, when it comes to the .gov I have to hire some asshole to figure out how much I owe them and then hope like hell he is right or I might get assraped with fees and interests that most civilians would be jailed for and I even stand the risk of going to jail should what I figure I owe them is wrong. Just send me a fucking bill, I send them a check, they cash it.... profit??

Like you said, they already know what I make. I would much prefer stricter reporting of income for the exceptions (waitresses, bartenders, strippers, cab drivers, etc..) than the royally fucked up system we currently have. When the asshole that runs the IRS fucks up his taxes because of the insane complexity (at least if you buy his side)..... we got a huge problem

 

[Darwin333]

Some please explain why if someone dies with a billion dollars, why should s/he be able to give most of it to their family who didn't earn it? This person has hoarded this wealth, and failed to put it back into the economy were it belonged. Inheritence is a stupid idea, and the government should take most assets at the time of death.

If it belongs in the economy then why are they allowed to "borrow" it in the first place?

 

[Darwin333]

Trolling how?

The idea of hoarding wealth to leave it to your decendents is a stupid one.

Buying 100 lottery tickets a week is a stupid idea too, what is your point? Either the money is theirs to do stupid shit with or it isn't, what say you? Keep in mind that your answer should and would apply to both examples.

 

[DCal430]

Buying 100 lottery tickets a week is a stupid idea too, what is your point? Either the money is theirs to do stupid shit with or it isn't, what say you? Keep in mind that your answer should and would apply to both examples.

Gambling should be banned. It destroys wealth in a society, and affects mostly the people who can afford it least.

 

[nonlnear]

Gambling should be banned. It destroys wealth in a society, and affects mostly the people who can afford it least.

Gambling does not destroy wealth; it transfers it. Granted often not in a way that is conducive to a civil society, but it's important to get our facts straight. War (among other things) destroys wealth.

It's one thing to ban a behavior, quite another to actually stop it. Bans tend to just make society a more dangerous and contemptuous place, while rarely having any impact on the behavior being targeted (assuming it's a common behavior to begin with).

 

[davmat787]

Gambling should be banned. It destroys wealth in a society, and affects mostly the people who can afford it least.

Your position of wanting to ban lottery is not consistent with your stance of transferring money back to the government. Might want to read up on who runs and profits from lotteries, and what that money is used for.

 

[DCal430]

Your position of wanting to ban lottery is not consistent with your stance of transferring money back to the government. Might want to read up on who runs and profits from lotteries, and what that money is used for.

Gambling is a tax on the poor and ignorant. We need progressive tax system. Gambling is regressive.

 

[davmat787]

Gambling is a tax on the poor and ignorant. We need progressive tax system. Gambling is regressive.

What if some poor person dies with a $10 million winning lottery ticket? Should his poor family get to keep the ticket, or should the government get all of the inheritance?

Gambling is a choice not a tax, often a poor one, but a choice or behavior none the less. Is gambling a requirement such as taxes?

 

[Matt1970]

Gambling is a tax on the poor and ignorant. We need progressive tax system. Gambling is regressive.

Good lord. Are they brainwashed into buying the loto tickets or something? You have one seriously fucked up theory on things.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Some please explain why if someone dies with a billion dollars, why should s/he be able to give most of it to their family who didn't earn it? This person has hoarded this wealth, and failed to put it back into the economy were it belonged. Inheritence is a stupid idea, and the government should take most assets at the time of death.

HE EARNED IT. So he can do with it WHAT HE WANTS.

The government stealing it because his kids "don't deserve it" is total and utter bullcrap.

I'm 100% sure that you're just a communistic troll at this point.

 

[DCal430]

HE EARNED IT. So he can do with it WHAT HE WANTS.

The government stealing it because his kids "don't deserve it" is total and utter bullcrap.

I'm 100% sure that you're just a communistic troll at this point.

First: All wealth inherently belongs to all of the people. Since the government is the people, it can't what already belongs to it.

Second: Just because you don't agree with someone who has progressive ideals doesn't make them a troll.

 

[davmat787]

First: All wealth inherently belongs to all of the people. Since the government is the people, it can't what already belongs to it.

I think you are missing a word or two (take perhaps?) towards the end of your statement.

Second: Just because you don't agree with someone who has progressive ideals doesn't make them a troll.

Progressive ideals are fine, but they need to be accompanied with realistic proposals that take into account history as well as human nature in order to be taken seriously.

What is the problem you are trying to fix with your ideas? Perhaps that would help me understand what you are driving at better.

 

[Patranus]

First: All wealth inherently belongs to all of the people. Since the government is the people, it can't what already belongs to it.

Second: Just because you don't agree with someone who has progressive ideals doesn't make them a troll.

Well, when you make statements that wealth inherently belongs to the people, you bring ridicule upon yourself.

 

[Matt1970]

First: All wealth inherently belongs to all of the people. Since the government is the people, it can't what already belongs to it.

Second: Just because you don't agree with someone who has progressive ideals doesn't make them a troll.

How the heck do you think you are entitled to anything you don't work for?

 

[davmat787]

How the heck do you think you are entitled to anything you don't work for?

Some people think it is easier to rage and blame the system than it is to earn your way through life with hard work and education I guess?

 

[matt0611]

How the heck do you think you are entitled to anything you don't work for?

That mentality that something "belongs to you" and that you will take it from someone by force because you feel you are somehow entitled to it, in my opinion, is one of the greatest evils in this world.

 

[Craig234]

Gambling does not destroy wealth; it transfers it. Granted often not in a way that is conducive to a civil society, but it's important to get our facts straight. War (among other things) destroys wealth.

War both destroys and transfers wealth.

 

[DCal430]

That mentality that something "belongs to you" and that you will take it from someone by force because you feel you are somehow entitled to it, in my opinion, is one of the greatest evils in this world.

How is wanting a world were everyone is equal, were there is no rich, no poor, no greed, no crime, no poverty, ect such an evil thing.

 

[DCal430]

Well, when you make statements that wealth inherently belongs to the people, you bring ridicule upon yourself.

All wealth is created using resources that belong to all people. Things like land, minerals, water, etc cannot truly be owned by individuals, but are owned by society as a whole.

 

[matt0611]

How is wanting a world were everyone is equal, were there is no rich, no poor, no greed, no crime, no poverty, ect such an evil thing.

Wanting that is not evil. But the ends doesn't justify the means.
Taking what is not yours by force or enslaving people to do your will is evil.

On top of that, the way you go want to go about it has never worked anyway.

You think I want people poor? I want everyone to be rich.
Capitalism and a system of private property rights has brought billions of people out of poverty.

Take a look at the poverty rates around the world in the last 50 years. They are declining thanks to capitalism and free markets. The evidence is right there for you to see.

Its easy to vilify the capitalists - classical liberals. To say we are evil and greedy and want the poor to stay poor. Nothing could be further from the truth though.