Although a majority of Muslims condemn his terrorist acts, there are still millions who worship him. The absolute worst thing to do is raise his status in the eyes of his people to that of a martyr or someone sent from Allah. Once he is in our hands, we should put him through the Judicial system and jail his ass in a maximum security prison with padded walls. I'm pretty sure it would be more painful submitting him into a democratic system that he hates so much. We should even also put a TV in his jail cell, let him watch American TV, listen to American music, feed him American food, and surround his wall with American pictures. I'm pretty sure that death would be an easier way out for him than what I'm suggesting. This way he cannot become a martyr if he's not dead. The only problem I see is that his craze followers might plan something drastic to try to free him. But at least 1,000 more bin Laden won't surface to take his place.
My reason why we should NOT kill Osama bin Laden once he is captured.
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I say he gets a steady diet of pork chops, hot dogs and Spam. Make him watch SoapNet 24 hours a day also.
I disagree..if we jail him..at some point...at some time...many hostages would be traded for his freedom.
I think first we should torture him into discrediting Islam..then take and distribute worldly distribute videos of him being f#cked by a pig.
Then kill him slowly......a good dipping into several million South Carolina Fire Ants would be a good start....
I support the use of the death penalty usually (like against McVeigh), but I have to agree. Don't make a martyr of him, let his people watch him rot away in jail for the rest of his dismal life. Death is too nice a fate for him.
However, if we are unable to capture him, but have the ability to take him out, by all means TAKE IT.
However, if we are unable to capture him, but have the ability to take him out, by all means TAKE IT.
NetGuySC,
If you're serious about that remark then you got issues. We're being watched by the whole world on how we carry this out. Torturing him would do us more harm than good. We're suppose to be a symbol of humanitarism.
If you're serious about that remark then you got issues. We're being watched by the whole world on how we carry this out. Torturing him would do us more harm than good. We're suppose to be a symbol of humanitarism.
Sorry but that is how i feel...If we got him I would want him to tell the names of every single person linked to his terrorist activities...every single contact.....don't give me this humanitarium bs.......if he is jailed..he will be released one day...perhaps his followers will hold a major city hostage with a nuclear device...ever thought of that
Another thing that just came up in my mind is just letting him die naturally. He's an underweight, malnutritious 6'4" mofo. I think he don't has much time to live. We'll just have to keep him in check while making sure we won't be held responsible when he dies naturally.
<<Sorry but that is how i feel...If we got him I would want him to tell the names of every single person linked to his terrorist activities...every single contact.....don't give me this humanitarium bs.......if he is jailed..he will be released one day...perhaps his followers will hold a major city hostage with a nuclear device...ever thought of that >>
So we're suppose to throw away all our beliefs to get our revenge on this guy? I'm glad you're not leading our country. And yes I recognized the possibility that you presented. Once he is jailed, we will of course continue to seek out his followers and other terrorists in general. Plus without bin Laden's $$$ and the terrorists on watch by the world, do you think someone can actually capture loads of hostages using a nuke?
So we're suppose to throw away all our beliefs to get our revenge on this guy? I'm glad you're not leading our country. And yes I recognized the possibility that you presented. Once he is jailed, we will of course continue to seek out his followers and other terrorists in general. Plus without bin Laden's $$$ and the terrorists on watch by the world, do you think someone can actually capture loads of hostages using a nuke?
i say we should forcefully show the repressed bastard some gay porn, and document him getting excited. then distrib vids all around the middle east
i say we should forcefully show the repressed bastard some gay porn, and document him getting excited. then distrib vids all around the middle east
let him star in some too.
hehehehehehehehehehhe
let him star in some too.
hehehehehehehehehehhe
haha that's funny man. But I agree, the whole world is watching us on this one. If we kill him, he wil be the next Jesus. If we don't, radical terrorists will still hit targets around the world until we give him back up. They might not hit home this time, but hit Britain or some other UN/NATO nations, then what would we do?
Hoeboy
What I am saying is he should not be allowed to live.
I think Bin Laden is smart enough to have someone fill his shoes to carry on his legacy with his money...I am sure Bin Laden would gladly to provide all details without any coercion from US (yeah right!! This is where the torture comes in...it will save us years of searching and many lives...no one has to know).
think of this...3 years after his capture Bin Laden is in jail..being air conditioned..looking a Jerry Springer...a CNN news alert comes on...NUCLEAR BLAST LEVELS CHICAGO!!!...................the Prez. get a phone call...release Bin Laden or Los Angeles will be next..
What do you think will happen?
don't say this could not happen.....it is not a very far fetched idea....with Russia losing nukes..selling nukes...do a search and find out other people's opinion of wheather or not Bin Laden has or could have, in near future, access to nukes
<<haha that's funny man. But I agree, the whole world is watching us on this one. If we kill him, he wil be the next Jesus. If we don't, radical terrorists will still hit targets around the world until we give them up. They might not hit home this time, but hit Britain or some other UN/NATO nations, then what would we do? >>
yes but if we (U.S. and allies) heighten security and without a mastermind (bin Laden), it will be harder for the terrorists to carry out any major attack.
yes but if we (U.S. and allies) heighten security and without a mastermind (bin Laden), it will be harder for the terrorists to carry out any major attack.
While I respect everyone's opinion in reality there are only two likey outcomes. He will either be killed in an attempt to apprehend him or we will not catch him. There really are no other options. He will never let himself be taken alive. He would kill himself to become the martyr before he would surrender.
MichaelD
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Hoeboy,
I understand and respect your thoughts, but YES, they will hold a major city (or 435 women and children in a Christian religious retreat in the mountains of Tennesse) hostage. NetGuySC has some very valid points.
I can understand (I'll try very hard) your Liberal, warm fuzzy, there's no evil in my world attitude. Ignorance is not bad. It's just ignorance. Obviously, you don't quite comprehend what happened on 20010911. The United States of America sacrificed approximately 8,000 (that's Eight Thousand) American lives in the name of Freedom.
There is a time to be polite and to be The Great Example of Extreme Humility in the world, and then there's a time to Beat Up The Schoolyard Bully. Now is that time.
Oh, I can hear you whining already. "Wah....but they have innocent, peaceful Islamic women and children who don't deserve this" and "Wahhhhhhh, if we do this we are no better than them..'"
Guess what? Tough sh!t. If we do not respond in kind, some Islamic Jihad Profanity Shouting American Hating Arab Guy may be buggering you anallly this time next year. And all your liberal, feel-good, attempting to rationalize with barbarians 'tude wont' mean squat.
I hope you realize (think about it, then read your history book...the OLD one, not the one written during the Clinton Administration whose ideals you grasp) that folks that think like you did not build this country. Folks that think like you didn't keep us from becoming part of Nazi Germany, Japan and the USSR (in that order) it's folks who had the nuts to stand up for what they believe in and back it up with a fist to the fact that have kept this country free. I would not want to be in a foxhole with you. That's for sure.
I understand and respect your thoughts, but YES, they will hold a major city (or 435 women and children in a Christian religious retreat in the mountains of Tennesse) hostage. NetGuySC has some very valid points.
I can understand (I'll try very hard) your Liberal, warm fuzzy, there's no evil in my world attitude. Ignorance is not bad. It's just ignorance. Obviously, you don't quite comprehend what happened on 20010911. The United States of America sacrificed approximately 8,000 (that's Eight Thousand) American lives in the name of Freedom.
There is a time to be polite and to be The Great Example of Extreme Humility in the world, and then there's a time to Beat Up The Schoolyard Bully. Now is that time.
Oh, I can hear you whining already. "Wah....but they have innocent, peaceful Islamic women and children who don't deserve this" and "Wahhhhhhh, if we do this we are no better than them..'"
Guess what? Tough sh!t. If we do not respond in kind, some Islamic Jihad Profanity Shouting American Hating Arab Guy may be buggering you anallly this time next year. And all your liberal, feel-good, attempting to rationalize with barbarians 'tude wont' mean squat.
I hope you realize (think about it, then read your history book...the OLD one, not the one written during the Clinton Administration whose ideals you grasp) that folks that think like you did not build this country. Folks that think like you didn't keep us from becoming part of Nazi Germany, Japan and the USSR (in that order) it's folks who had the nuts to stand up for what they believe in and back it up with a fist to the fact that have kept this country free. I would not want to be in a foxhole with you. That's for sure.
<<What I am saying is he should not be allowed to live.
I think Bin Laden is smart enough to have someone fill his shoes to carry on his legacy with his money...I am sure Bin Laden would gladly to provide all details without any coercion from US (yeah right!! This is where the torture comes in...it will save us years of searching and many lives...no one has to know).
think of this...3 years after his capture Bin Laden is in jail..being air conditioned..looking a Jerry Springer...a CNN news alert comes on...NUCLEAR BLAST LEVELS CHICAGO!!!...................the Prez. get a phone call...release Bin Laden or Los Angeles will be next..
What do you think will happen?
don't say this could not happen.....it is not a very far fetched idea....with Russia losing nukes..selling nukes...do a search and find out other people's opinion of wheather or not Bin Laden has or could have, in near future, access to nukes >>
yes in another thread i recognize the fact that he may have nukes. but what you are forgetting here is that it's not like we will stop attacking the terrorists once osama is in our hands. he is the first target but not the only. increased pressure against countries harboring terrorists and continual eradication of terrorists group/cells will make it really hard for such a grand scale hostage situation to take place. the attack on the wtc required great logistics and planning as well as possible backing from governments. i dont think such a backing will be possible with most of the world on the asses of any government in the middle east.
but i'm an open minded kinda guy. there could be a SLIM chance of the possibility you presented. but weigh that against the possibility of killing him, creating 1000 other bin Laden, and cause an uprising of millions of muslims against our effort. get what i'm saying?
I think Bin Laden is smart enough to have someone fill his shoes to carry on his legacy with his money...I am sure Bin Laden would gladly to provide all details without any coercion from US (yeah right!! This is where the torture comes in...it will save us years of searching and many lives...no one has to know).
think of this...3 years after his capture Bin Laden is in jail..being air conditioned..looking a Jerry Springer...a CNN news alert comes on...NUCLEAR BLAST LEVELS CHICAGO!!!...................the Prez. get a phone call...release Bin Laden or Los Angeles will be next..
What do you think will happen?
don't say this could not happen.....it is not a very far fetched idea....with Russia losing nukes..selling nukes...do a search and find out other people's opinion of wheather or not Bin Laden has or could have, in near future, access to nukes >>
yes in another thread i recognize the fact that he may have nukes. but what you are forgetting here is that it's not like we will stop attacking the terrorists once osama is in our hands. he is the first target but not the only. increased pressure against countries harboring terrorists and continual eradication of terrorists group/cells will make it really hard for such a grand scale hostage situation to take place. the attack on the wtc required great logistics and planning as well as possible backing from governments. i dont think such a backing will be possible with most of the world on the asses of any government in the middle east.
but i'm an open minded kinda guy. there could be a SLIM chance of the possibility you presented. but weigh that against the possibility of killing him, creating 1000 other bin Laden, and cause an uprising of millions of muslims against our effort. get what i'm saying?
I truly do understand you..and truly respect your opinion..and am glad we can talk about this....I just feel that he is too dangerous to keep alive..he is already a martyr.....I just think of the future..I think it would be a much safer place for the children of the US and of ther world... if Bin Laden is drained of all info, contacts, names etc and then dies
<<I understand and respect your thoughts, but YES, they will hold a major city (or 435 women and children in a Christian religious retreat in the mountains of Tennesse) hostage. NetGuySC has some very valid points.
I can understand (I'll try very hard) your Liberal, warm fuzzy, there's no evil in my world attitude. Ignorance is not bad. It's just ignorance. Obviously, you don't quite comprehend what happened on 20010911. The United States of America sacrificed approximately 8,000 (that's Eight Thousand) American lives in the name of Freedom.
There is a time to be polite and to be The Great Example of Extreme Humility in the world, and then there's a time to Beat Up The Schoolyard Bully. Now is that time.
Oh, I can hear you whining already. "Wah....but they have innocent, peaceful Islamic women and children who don't deserve this" and "Wahhhhhhh, if we do this we are no better than them..'"
Guess what? Tough sh!t. If we do not respond in kind, some Islamic Jihad Profanity Shouting American Hating Arab Guy may be buggering you anallly this time next year. And all your liberal, feel-good, attempting to rationalize with barbarians 'tude wont' mean squat.
I hope you realize (think about it, then read your history book...the OLD one, not the one written during the Clinton Administration whose ideals you grasp) that folks that think like you did not build this country. Folks that think like you didn't keep us from becoming part of Nazi Germany, Japan and the USSR (in that order) it's folks who had the nuts to stand up for what they believe in and back it up with a fist to the fact that have kept this country free. I would not want to be in a foxhole with you. That's for sure.>>
I don't see where you get the idea that I'm trying to get all soft on this issue. How does your idea of killing Osama bin Laden versus my idea of putting him through our judicial system makes you anymore tough and me more passive? If you want to really punish bin Laden for his acts and try to get as much misery from him as possible, then jailing him would be much much more painful that letting him die an easy death. And remember this is all about bin Laden. As for the rest of the terrorists, I don't care if we send them to hell or not although we should be careful of the collateral damages. I'm thinking rationally for the long run in the best interests this country. If you honestly think your brutality ideology carried this country to where it is now, then you are mistaken son.
I can understand (I'll try very hard) your Liberal, warm fuzzy, there's no evil in my world attitude. Ignorance is not bad. It's just ignorance. Obviously, you don't quite comprehend what happened on 20010911. The United States of America sacrificed approximately 8,000 (that's Eight Thousand) American lives in the name of Freedom.
There is a time to be polite and to be The Great Example of Extreme Humility in the world, and then there's a time to Beat Up The Schoolyard Bully. Now is that time.
Oh, I can hear you whining already. "Wah....but they have innocent, peaceful Islamic women and children who don't deserve this" and "Wahhhhhhh, if we do this we are no better than them..'"
Guess what? Tough sh!t. If we do not respond in kind, some Islamic Jihad Profanity Shouting American Hating Arab Guy may be buggering you anallly this time next year. And all your liberal, feel-good, attempting to rationalize with barbarians 'tude wont' mean squat.
I hope you realize (think about it, then read your history book...the OLD one, not the one written during the Clinton Administration whose ideals you grasp) that folks that think like you did not build this country. Folks that think like you didn't keep us from becoming part of Nazi Germany, Japan and the USSR (in that order) it's folks who had the nuts to stand up for what they believe in and back it up with a fist to the fact that have kept this country free. I would not want to be in a foxhole with you. That's for sure.>>
I don't see where you get the idea that I'm trying to get all soft on this issue. How does your idea of killing Osama bin Laden versus my idea of putting him through our judicial system makes you anymore tough and me more passive? If you want to really punish bin Laden for his acts and try to get as much misery from him as possible, then jailing him would be much much more painful that letting him die an easy death. And remember this is all about bin Laden. As for the rest of the terrorists, I don't care if we send them to hell or not although we should be careful of the collateral damages. I'm thinking rationally for the long run in the best interests this country. If you honestly think your brutality ideology carried this country to where it is now, then you are mistaken son.
i think we should cut off his arms, legs, and testicles then let him live...... the worse punishment ever
MichaelD
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Hoeboy,
Son? I think not, young one! Brutality is what has kept this country free. While I do feel/agree that times have changed and violence IS NOT the answer to everything, I can tell you that it is the answer in this case. These people do not understand or respect anything but violence and death. They are not peaceful Islam-worshiping peoples; they are a radical, brainwashed group of drones that care not for human life, including their own.
I do agree with you that we shouldn't just blow his ass up; get every ounce of info from him that we can. I can tell you that he will not give up a single fact. He'd die first. I have been through Capture Evasion and Resistance Training...these people are barbarians. Geneva Convention? They'll light your balls on fire if you even mention it....I hope for your sake they find me first, because if they find you, you're toast.
Son? I think not, young one! Brutality is what has kept this country free. While I do feel/agree that times have changed and violence IS NOT the answer to everything, I can tell you that it is the answer in this case. These people do not understand or respect anything but violence and death. They are not peaceful Islam-worshiping peoples; they are a radical, brainwashed group of drones that care not for human life, including their own.
I do agree with you that we shouldn't just blow his ass up; get every ounce of info from him that we can. I can tell you that he will not give up a single fact. He'd die first. I have been through Capture Evasion and Resistance Training...these people are barbarians. Geneva Convention? They'll light your balls on fire if you even mention it....I hope for your sake they find me first, because if they find you, you're toast.
My feelings toward Bin Laden are not prompted by revenge....but by a desire for a safer future. If I knew his being alive would not prompt actions for his release I would agree with you..let him live with us until natural death........Imagine how much info he has about the people we are after...yes there are more like him...more than Bin Laden hate the US....his money will go toward his cause wheather he dies or lives in a prison...we all see he cares nothing for money (except for the door it opens to terrorize the world)...He lives in a cave....he is much to valuable to kill unless tortured and info extracted.....after info is extracted he is a major liability to our safety.
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