My prediction: Obama will issue a blanket pardon for Hillary

[pcgeek11]

You are welcome to start a campaign to amend the constitution to require that. As written by the founders the President's power to pardon is very broad and intended to be close to the power a monarch had to pardon.

Thank you for your permission.

 

[brycejones]

Thank you for your permission.

Anytime!

 

[agent00f]

Thank you for your permission.

What do you think about this obama blanket pardon for any trump incest that people are talking about?

 

[Jhhnn]

What do you think about this obama blanket pardon for any trump incest that people are talking about?

Would that be for past deeds? Or is it like absolution before battle?

 

[desura]

Honestly, I don't think Obama will. There's no need, and it would kick up a storm of scandal.

Trump might actually offer to pardon her "for the good of the country". It would be utter bullsht, but he would get to appear magnanimous and she would be implicated more in guilt than she actually deserved.

Honestly, people who were up in arms about this email server are easily manipulated, the type of people who take 24 seriously.

 

[Jhhnn]

Honestly, I don't think Obama will. There's no need, and it would kick up a storm of scandal.

Trump might actually offer to pardon her "for the good of the country". It would be utter bullsht, but he would get to appear magnanimous and she would be implicated more in guilt than she actually deserved.

Honestly, people who were up in arms about this email server are easily manipulated, the type of people who take 24 seriously.

You reference the Birther/Benghazi believers? They all voted for Donald. There are apparently more of them than I ever suspected.

 

[desura]

You reference the Birther/Benghazi believers? They all voted for Donald. There are apparently more of them than I ever suspected.

Referring to the TV show 24. But also wasn't there some dumb movie about Benghazi?

Americans are indeed easily manipulated. Looking back to the Kuwaiti royal family goading the Congress into authorizing the first Gulf War.

 

[pcgeek11]

Referring to the TV show 24. But also wasn't there some dumb movie about Benghazi?

Americans are indeed easily manipulated. Looking back to the Kuwaiti royal family goading the Congress into authorizing the first Gulf War.

I think the first Gulf war was due to many actual reasons that go back a decade, but was brought to a head with the actual invasion of Kuwait by Iraq.

http://www.thefinertimes.com/War-in-The-Middle-East/causes-of-gulf-war-desert-storm.html

And here:

http://www.history.com/topics/persian-gulf-war

 

[agent00f]

Would that be for past deeds? Or is it like absolution before battle?

It's a somewhat vague and certainly contentious topic. I think we'll need multiple threads, ungodly amounts of buckshitting, and endless national air time to get to the bottom of this.

 

[desura]

I think the first Gulf war was due to many actual reasons that go back a decade, but was brought to a head with the actual invasion of Kuwait by Iraq.

http://www.thefinertimes.com/War-in-The-Middle-East/causes-of-gulf-war-desert-storm.html

And here:

http://www.history.com/topics/persian-gulf-war

I know the other factors. But take a look at this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfVs3WaE9Y

That is some pretty fine agitprop.

 

[pcgeek11]

I see. Propaganda was brought up.... OK

All being said and done the first Gulf War was over the Iraq invasion of Kuwait which was wrong. We were correct in running them out of Kuwait regardless of the you tube video you posted.

 

[agent00f]

I know the other factors. But take a look at this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfVs3WaE9Y

That is some pretty fine agitprop.

I see. Propaganda was brought up.... OK

All being said and done the first Gulf War was over the Iraq invasion of Kuwait which was wrong. We were correct in running them out of Kuwait regardless of the you tube video you posted.

Pretty obvious why the west felt compelled to do something and it's not because they gave a shit about dead arabs.

 

[Thebobo]

Referring to the TV show 24. But also wasn't there some dumb movie about Benghazi?

It was 13 Hours and it was pretty good IMO. Doesn't really go into the politics other than locally.

 

[compuwiz1]

What do you think about this obama blanket pardon for any trump incest that people are talking about?

The Trump incest thing was born in perverted democrat minds.

 

[werepossum]

Referring to the TV show 24. But also wasn't there some dumb movie about Benghazi?

Americans are indeed easily manipulated. Looking back to the Kuwaiti royal family goading the Congress into authorizing the first Gulf War.

lol One thing that never changes is the left's disdain of Americans and America.

Everything that we know Clinton has done has also been done by the Republicans. Clinton is absolutely, positively done; the only thing still lacking is to season her to taste. Some of those same Republicans are still active in politics. And the Democrats own the mainstream media. Unless there is some unusual Clinton crime of which we aren't aware which is known to Obama - which seems unlike given that Obama made her his SecState - then a criminal investigation of Mrs. Clinton can only be politically good for the Democrats. Therefore Obama would be insane to pardon her.

 

[agent00f]

The Trump incest thing was born in perverted democrat minds.

Sure, in the same way that the whole racism thing was born in leftist minds. But it's great we're debating this very divisive and controversial issue of Trump getting a pardon for incest.

 

[Jhhnn]

And the Democrats own the mainstream media.

Only insofar as they occasionally speak the truth. They spread Trump's bullshit for free, remember? They doted on every bit of scurrilous innuendo that the right wing noise machine could dream up, for years on end.

 

[agent00f]

lol One thing that never changes is the left's disdain of Americans and America.

Gotta love those Murica is a white country types.

 

[compuwiz1]

Can someone please create a custom scroll for Agent Loaf, for every time he plays the race card? A broken record isn't as annoying.

 

[Commodus]

Can someone please create a custom scroll for Agent Loaf, for every time he plays the race card? A broken record isn't as annoying.

That race thing was... arbitrary. But at the same time, so is the right wing "anyone who questions American exceptionalism is a traitor to the country" schtick. The US was built on questioning authority and refusing to assume that your government always makes wise decisions. There is such a thing as being excessively critical, but good grief, there's a middle ground here.

 

[agent00f]

Can someone please create a custom scroll for Agent Loaf, for every time he plays the race card? A broken record isn't as annoying.

That race thing was... arbitrary. But at the same time, so is the right wing "anyone who questions American exceptionalism is a traitor to the country" schtick. The US was built on questioning authority and refusing to assume that your government always makes wise decisions. There is such a thing as being excessively critical, but good grief, there's a middle ground here.

Here's why it's hardly arbitrary. There's a large swath of this country which can't find anything bad to say about the institutional/systemic bigotry endemic to this country and not just its past, presumably because they're beneficiaries of said system. In fact it's completely illuminating the ratio of comments from those sorts which speak to those concerns or even criticize open racism, and their usual mouthiness directed instead at people who might (ie damn libtards). Given that this last consequential election rather hinged on those prejudices riled large, it's difficult to argue for minimizing its place at the heart of american politics.

What we choose to find virtuous or problematic speaks directly to inner character; this is self-evident enough that you know what I'm talking about.

 

[dainthomas]

Referring to the TV show 24. But also wasn't there some dumb movie about Benghazi?

Americans are indeed easily manipulated. Looking back to the Kuwaiti royal family goading the Congress into authorizing the first Gulf War.

My SIL was going on about it and what a criminal Hillary was. I laughed in her face and told her I don't form political opinions based on Michael Bay movies.

Other than about Decepticons. Those guys suck.

 

[werepossum]

Only insofar as they occasionally speak the truth. They spread Trump's bullshit for free, remember? They doted on every bit of scurrilous innuendo that the right wing noise machine could dream up, for years on end.

lol They sure did - while breathlessly discussing whether this particular piece of bullshit would be the one to destroy Trump's political viability. The mainstream media, like the rest of the Democrat Party, was totally outsmarted by Cheeto Jesus. I'm not saying that to gloat as he's obviously a very smart man and there's no shame in being outsmarted by a smarter person. But it's still amusing that even in defeat, you guys still aren't capable of understanding what happened.

 

[Commodus]

lol They sure did - while breathlessly discussing whether this particular piece of bullshit would be the one to destroy Trump's political viability. The mainstream media, like the rest of the Democrat Party, was totally outsmarted by Cheeto Jesus. I'm not saying that to gloat as he's obviously a very smart man and there's no shame in being outsmarted by a smarter person. But it's still amusing that even in defeat, you guys still aren't capable of understanding what happened.

I wouldn't call him smart. His strategy is as follows:

1. Lie about a promise/claim in a way that panders to stereotypical Republican fears (taxes, assumptions that government is always corrupt, non-whites, non-Christians, LGBT people), rationality and civil rights be damned.

2. When you are invariably proven to be lying, lie about having lied.

3. Repeat until you take office, then admit it was all a lie to get votes.

The distinction is that Trump was bold and overt about it where people like Ted Cruz are strategic, selective and covert. Trump 'broke' the press framework. The media acts on the assumption that politicians sometimes make a stab at telling the truth, and make token nods toward intellectual discourse, compassion and a respect for the laws of the country. Trump? He's genuinely annoyed that there are things like free speech rights (because it should be illegal to criticize him) and conflict-of-interest laws.

I do think the media played into Trump's hands by not immediately calling him out on his lies, and by feeding into his insatiable ego by covering every shock and outrage. But that doesn't mean Trump was smarter; they just didn't know how to handle his particular breed of stupid.

 

[werepossum]

I wouldn't call him smart. His strategy is as follows:

1. Lie about a promise/claim in a way that panders to stereotypical Republican fears (taxes, assumptions that government is always corrupt, non-whites, non-Christians, LGBT people), rationality and civil rights be damned.

2. When you are invariably proven to be lying, lie about having lied.

3. Repeat until you take office, then admit it was all a lie to get votes.

The distinction is that Trump was bold and overt about it where people like Ted Cruz are strategic, selective and covert. Trump 'broke' the press framework. The media acts on the assumption that politicians sometimes make a stab at telling the truth, and make token nods toward intellectual discourse, compassion and a respect for the laws of the country. Trump? He's genuinely annoyed that there are things like free speech rights (because it should be illegal to criticize him) and conflict-of-interest laws.

I do think the media played into Trump's hands by not immediately calling him out on his lies, and by feeding into his insatiable ego by covering every shock and outrage. But that doesn't mean Trump was smarter; they just didn't know how to handle his particular breed of stupid.

lol You still don't get it. As long as you feel that Trump is an idiot, you're going to be defeated again in 2020. Even if you all buy smaritification glasses from Ricky Perry.