My plan for solving the Israel/Palestine problem.

[Nefrodite]

lol how about trading the gaza strip for the settlements. its absurd to believe that they can have peace and surround another state like that. it doesn't work.

 

[etech]

I wonder what would happen if the authorites in both countries just announced that they had switched babies at birth without telling the parents?

Oh well, just an idea.

 

[BoltCase]

The Arabs can have access to NUKES with some work: Pakistan. Maybe also through Iran, especially with their closeness to Russia.

After all, Pakistian is a Muslim country and they sympathize with the Palestinians; how much a 50 kiloton nuke costs, on average, these days?

Also, Egypt the 70s is not Egypt now.

By mere numbers.

300 million Arabs against 5 million Israelis, just how many Israelis can kill before being annihilated if a WWIII is to happen because of the recent events?

Worse, 1 billion Muslims against 5 million Jews.

Nukes matter, but numbers matter more.

 

[telstar1]

Tell everybody to leave the area ... give them time to evacuate.
Nuke the land ...

If they can't settle on who gets what, then nobody gets it...

 

[etech]

BoltCase

But aren't all of those 1 billion Muslims peace loving and tolerant people. That's what they keep telling us.


Where did the nukes come into this discussion anyway. This is about finding a PEACEFUL solution to the problem.

 

[gopunk]

<< You can say all you want but that fact remains palistine whats ine thing ..







NO Israel.


Nothing short of that will make them stop fighting. >>




exactly! the only way to keep israel is to get rid of the palestineans. it's either one or the other.

 

[Pacfanweb]

<<My plan: create a Palestinian state but maintain Israel's sovereignty. Let the Ps have something dear to defend. Let the Is exist in peace. For the first 10 years put UN troops in between them.>>

And after that, let them have at it. If they can live in peace, great. If the Palestinians start up with Israel again and they go to war, let them go. The winner takes all and the rest of the world quits bitching about it. They had their chance. Heck, they might even get 20 years total out of it.
But if the Palestinians start a war again, and Israel conquers them, then to the victors go the spoils....no more Palestine. If the Palestinians decide to come forward to at least the 19th century and try to act somewhat civil, it should be alright.

 

[BoltCase]

<< exactly! the only way to keep israel is to get rid of the palestineans. it's either one or the other. >>



I'm sure you and Milosevic will get along very well.



<< But aren't all of those 1 billion Muslims peace loving and tolerant people. That's what they keep telling us.
Where did the nukes come into this discussion anyway. This is about finding a PEACEFUL solution to the problem >>



The nukes were brought up earlier and so I commented on them. A peaceful solution? Sure.

The Arab summit idea is promising, at least to start some serious negotiations. The labor party MUST win next election. Refugees are compensated. Palestinian state is established. Arabs recognize Israeli and start normal relations, trade, diplomacy..etc. It happened with Egypt and Jordan, there is nothing that prevents it from happening with the rest. Israeli gains security and normal relations with its neighbors.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

etech, I have to say that I appreciate the way you've been focusing on staying objective in these discussions.

The plan, it's good, I think it would do much towards exposing the humanity of both sides to one another, so maybe they can see beyond the demonization.

 

[gopunk]

of course, the best thing to do would be to sit down with everybody and say "look, there have been injustices committed to all of you, i'm sure of that. however, look at what you're doing. you're wasting your lives trying to destroy other people. you could be happy, but you're not. think about if you had taken all the energy used to plot and destory, and put it towards something that's productive. there's no doubt that you would have a strong economy, and a high standard of living. so please, lets all put down the guns and bombs, and think about what really matters in this world. there have been injustices committed, but to dwell on them is only going to hurt yourself even more."

but i doubt anybody would listen.

 

[BoltCase]

but i doubt anybody would listen.

That's a nice idea, thank you for bringing it up. I just hate it when I see "NUKE THEM" or 'GET RID OF ....".

The Palestinians and the Israelis are humans; let us not forgot that. No matter how horrible the acts carried by both sides, people eventually just want to live in peace, dignity, and freedom.

Right wingest and religous zealots are making this harder; but it will happen.

 

[gopunk]

<< but i doubt anybody would listen.

That's a nice idea, thank you for bringing it up. I just hate it when I see "NUKE THEM" or 'GET RID OF ....".

The Palestinians and the Israelis are humans; let us not forgot that. No matter how horrible the acts carried by both sides, people eventually just want to live in peace, dignity, and freedom.

Right wingest and religous zealots are making this harder; but it will happen. >>



of course, but the question is whether it will happen because one side "loses" (like in previous wars), or because they all realize they're being idiots. i think the former is more likely, because... well... i don't have that much faith in humans to be mature. or maybe it'll just drag on and on until everybody forgets what they're fighting about, and they'll stop then.

 

[Jimbo]

<< Take all children under six months of age in Israel. Take an equal number of the same age children in the OT and swap them. Give the Palestinian kids to Israelis to raise, give the Israeli children to the Palestinian families to raise. >>



That was very similar to the advice Gandhi gave to a Hindu that killed a Moslem child and felt that his soul was going to hell.
Now this is not a verbatim quote but: He told the Hindu that killed the child to find a Moslem child that was orphaned by the religious riots at that time and to adopt the child as his own and raise it as a Moslem child.

Anyways? Your thoughts on Middle East solutions are prolific.
Unfortunately you would have a bunch of Jewish children, raised as fanatical Moslems, with the Palestinians laughing their sick a$$es off.

BTW etech: Did you ever get threats from that Soccer Jihad web page. I did.

 

[Jimbo]

I forgot to include the solution.
From what I have seen, the real issue has ZERO to do with land or autonomy. There is a significant amount of anti-Jewish material in the Koran. The Palestinians desire for a homeland is a significant and a distant second place to the destruction of Israel and Jews in general. Now after there was serious talk of Israel creating a Palestinian state, the PA then began to demand the right of return of descendants of those that fled Israel in 1948. That number, by the PA?s count is about 4.5 million, effectively destroying the state of Israel.
The only real solution I can see is for Israel to flip the bird to the world community and just forcibly remove the Palestinians on the West Bank to Jordan and the Palestinians in Gaza get a one-way trip to Egypt. Now this will probably cause a war that will have the Israelis kicking some Arab butt three different directions, and subject them to the wrath of world opinion, but I don?t see any other solutions.

 

[Freejack2]

Two words...
Nuclear Winter

 

[Turkey]

How about moving all Israelis to Palestinian areas and all Palestinians to Israeli areas. Refugee compensation = Palestinians get Israeli homes. It would solve the settlement problem too. Plus, since everyone's getting displaced no one can complain about unfair treatment.

 

[Martin]

<< I forgot to include the solution.
From what I have seen, the real issue has ZERO to do with land or autonomy. There is a significant amount of anti-Jewish material in the Koran. The Palestinians desire for a homeland is a significant and a distant second place to the destruction of Israel and Jews in general. Now after there was serious talk of Israel creating a Palestinian state, the PA then began to demand the right of return of descendants of those that fled Israel in 1948. That number, by the PA?s count is about 4.5 million, effectively destroying the state of Israel.
The only real solution I can see is for Israel to flip the bird to the world community and just forcibly remove the Palestinians on the West Bank to Jordan and the Palestinians in Gaza get a one-way trip to Egypt. Now this will probably cause a war that will have the Israelis kicking some Arab butt three different directions, and subject them to the wrath of world opinion, but I don?t see any other solutions. >>




You know its funny. Milosevic tried to do that, everybody whined and cried and NATO started bombing Yugoslavia, including many civilian targets. Now you want Israel to do the same thing?

Gee, that's not hypocritical all....

 

[AmRoD]

how about the usa cuts off all funding to both isreal and the arabs... & they won't get there aid money back until they work something out !

 

[Jimbo]

<< Gee, that's not hypocritical all.... >>


Yeah Genius! Where is the hypocritical part? Or are you just trying out a new phonics word?

 

[Texmaster]

<< The rules of this discussion.

You may blast, flame and otherwise rip to shreds and destroy my solution, BUT to do so you also must present a better plan yourself. >>



You just insured only about 5 people can be honestly posting here.

 

[Texmaster]

<< The rules of this discussion.

You may blast, flame and otherwise rip to shreds and destroy my solution, BUT to do so you also must present a better plan yourself.


I was browsing Yahoo and ran across this picture.

Yahoo

A very strange and unrealistic but intriguing plan came to me. The hate is rampant on both sides. What will it take to stop the killing and make both sides want peace. The plan:

Take all children under six months of age in Israel. Take an equal number of the same age children in the OT and swap them. Give the Palestinian kids to Israelis to raise, give the Israeli children to the Palestinian families to raise.
The Israelis would have reason to give the Palestinians the land and economic assistance they need. The Palestinians would have reason to let the Israelis live in peace and stop the suicide bombers.

You may now rip the plan to pieces but remember the rule, you must present a better plan yourself. >>



Not a bad plan.

 

[Martin]

<<

<< Gee, that's not hypocritical all.... >>


Yeah Genius! Where is the hypocritical part? Or are you just trying out a new phonics word? >>




Perhaps you need a trip to dictionary.com?




Milosevic tries to drive out all albanians from kosovo. NATO bombs Yugoslavia until they give up and albanians return driving out the Serbs.

now, you propose: "

<< and just forcibly remove the Palestinians on the West Bank to Jordan and the Palestinians in Gaza get a one-way trip to Egypt. >>

, which is exactly what milosevic did. Should NATO in turn bomb Israel if it did that?

 

[miniMUNCH]

According to Mr. B on KROQ...we should just scrape off the first 6 feet of top soil in the Holy Land (how deep can the holiness really go?) and move it to Mexico...that way, the Israeli's can have the holy land and help Mexico improve their money management / economy...two problems solved.

Of course...that recommendation was in jest.

 

[db]

Dig a very wide and long hole overlaping the westernmost border of the WestBank, closest to the Mediterranean Sea. Dig a canal from the Mediterranean to the hole, making it a humongous lake/sea.
Instant resort all along perimeter; both sides prosper.


heh

 

[jjones]

That's a ridiculous plan; it would never work. The Palestinians don't care enough about their children to give them pause to think about their actions and the Israelis would just send in a commando team to extract the Israeli babies from Palestinian hands.

The only way I see peace happening is something drastic has to happen to give these people a reason to tire of the constant war. Israel I know is already tired of it but the Palestinians are not. Something very bad is going to have to happen before the Palestinians will be able to really sit down with the Israelis to talk seriously about peace.

If that does happen, the only resultant peace plan will likely come from Israel giving up occupation of the Palestinian lands and settling for having UN troops protecting the settlements. As part of negotiations, the Israelis can talk about removing themselves from the settlements and in exchange, the Palestinians can offer to drop the "Right of Return" issue. Regarding Jerusalem, they can agree to disagree about it but in the meantime, leave that also in the hands of UN peacekeepers with a view towards possibly making it an international city.