My next phone should it be Android, iOS, or even Windows Mobile ?

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nerp

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You overstate how difficult Android phones are to use. They are basically appliances too, just more computer-like appliances. You don't have to root them or hack them. That is optional.

Honestly I spend LESS time screwing around on Android because I can directly do things I want to do. For example:

I want a mkv file on my phone? On iOS that means finding a player that is only sold for that platform, and getting the file on the device via Dropbox or some trick unique to the media app I bought, which often requires a PC in the middle. With Android I open the file manager and copy it off the server like I would do on a PC, and then when its done I play the file in Kodi like I do on a PC. It's easier and I can do it all on the phone.

Or let's say I want a custom ringtone of some video game sound effect. On an iPhone, even with a ringtone app to cut the steps, you HAVE TO go through iTunes and a computer. With my Android phone I open my ringtone app, search for the wav file I downloaded, edit it to be ringtone length, and then set it as a ringtone IN THE APP. Much easier and all done on the phone.

I could go on, for example using the same USB drive my PC uses is real nice. Point being assuming iOS is easier for all tasks in 2016 is folly. It is only easier to do what Apple pre-determined you can do, everything else is jumping through hoops.

See, all that stuff is the kind of thing I describe as no longer being of interest to me. I just use a PC or my home theater system to watch a movie. I can't imagine ever wanting to change a ringtone or put it as a custom ringtone for that matter. I get that Android gives you more options to customize and such but my original point was that I don't even have the desire to do that in the first place. I can't remember the last time I connected a phone to my computer. My car has an SD card slot and I filled a 128GB card with plenty of music. I listen to podcasts on my phone with bluetooth. Aside from that, I don't really have much need to do much else with it.

Some of this might be due to the fact I also have a Surface tablet, a bunch of Windows and Mac laptops and desktops. . . if I need to do something, there's always a device better for the task than a phone. And if I only have my phone, well, RDP to the VPN solves that in a jiffy. :) And I've tested it -- HD video will play just fine off a PC over wifi to an iPhone running RDP. :)

If I had just a desktop and a phone or a laptop and a phone, I get it...An Android would be easier for stuff. But I have a home office, work from home and have a lot of tools for everything, so my phone really is just for email, twitter, FB, phone calls and messaging.
 

sweenish

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See, all that stuff is the kind of thing I describe as no longer being of interest to me. I just use a PC or my home theater system to watch a movie. I can't imagine ever wanting to change a ringtone or put it as a custom ringtone for that matter. I get that Android gives you more options to customize and such but my original point was that I don't even have the desire to do that in the first place.

And what you're not getting is the point of the post. Android is dead simple to use, and for some things, easier than iOS.

You got hung up on the examples and not the point they were supporting.
 

nerp

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And what you're not getting is the point of the post. Android is dead simple to use, and for some things, easier than iOS.

You got hung up on the examples and not the point they were supporting.

I didn't realize that a thread could only have one point.

If it comes down to ease of use, then Windows 10 Mobile wins hands down.

For the record I own all three.
 

bigboxes

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Too bad that HP ran WebOS into the ground instead of develop it. That would be my choice had it promoted the way of Android. I've noticed that Google has clamped down on much of Android's openness.
 

LPCTech

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Go into a phone shop/store whatever and play with all three. Then choose the one you like best. Just be aware that windows phone has few apps atm. iOS and Android are very similar at this point. If you like to tinker, get android, if you dont plan to tinker and are just gonna use apps AND you have the money get iOS.
 

sweenish

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I didn't realize that a thread could only have one point.

If it comes down to ease of use, then Windows 10 Mobile wins hands down.

For the record I own all three.

I never said a thread could have one point. I said you severely misunderstood being being made in that post.

The same way you're severely misunderstanding what I said, and that's before we get to you putting words in my mouth.

I mean, follow the discussion, or stop posting.
 

sweenish

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In defense of two year olds, they could probably use any of the mobile OS's today, insomuch that two year olds just need to know where to tap to get to the small handful of apps they always use.
 

poofyhairguy

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In defense of two year olds, they could probably use any of the mobile OS's today, insomuch that two year olds just need to know where to tap to get to the small handful of apps they always use.

I would love to see one try with my custom Nova Launcher config. Even my wife can't use my phone its so complicated. Little bastards wouldn't have a chance.
 

sweenish

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Exceptions to the rule.

My app drawer is right there, I have a games folder, I have a Cast folder. Mine is easy to navigate. I think our anecdotes cancel out now, and my point still stands. Just because you can make Android a pain to use doesn't mean it is. I think you were arguing that exact point earlier.
 

Red Storm

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Sure sure. I was just joking. I use the Google Launcher more often than not.

Heh, I went through a phase where using Nova Launcher my home screen was just a wallpaper, no visible buttons or widgets or anything. Everything was activated by gesture shortcuts. I remember taking the phone to T-Mobile one time and handing it over to the rep, and he just kept looking at the phone and back at me. I finally realized he would have no idea how to get to anything.

The neat part was how I could quickly set the stock launcher as the one to use, and then went right back to my highly customized config when they handed my phone back to me.
 

ControlD

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Sure sure. I was just joking. I use the Google Launcher more often than not.

If Google would just let me resize the icons the way Nova does I would stick with it as well. It hate those comically large icons on a 6" device though.

To be fair I haven't tried it in some time so maybe they have addressed that issue.
 

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If Google would just let me resize the icons the way Nova does I would stick with it as well. It hate those comically large icons on a 6" device though.

To be fair I haven't tried it in some time so maybe they have addressed that issue.

Not being able to hide icons in the app drawer is the deal killer for me. I gotta be able to hide the clutter.

I try different launchers, but I always end up coming back to Nova Launcher.
 

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If Google would just let me resize the icons the way Nova does I would stick with it as well. It hate those comically large icons on a 6" device though.

To be fair I haven't tried it in some time so maybe they have addressed that issue.


I had to use Nova Launcher because I wabted my icons to be smaller as you were talking about. Since the 6P is a "google" phone the Google banner is locked on the home screen. With NL I am able to remove it. I don't use NL for anything but those two functions. I want to use my phone as I want. I hate being locked down.
 

nerp

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What OS can possibly be easier than rows and rows of icons? Two year olds can use iOS.

Live tiles that give you the information you need so you don't even have to open the app half the time. Lots of small interface details in Windows mobile that are much more sensible than iOS. I much prefer my iPhone for a variety of reasons but i'm not kidding myself, it's full of not obvious conventions that seem very odd until you're used to it. With a windows phone, anyone who has used a computer in the last 15 years will get it right away.
 

ControlD

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Not being able to hide icons in the app drawer is the deal killer for me. I gotta be able to hide the clutter.

I try different launchers, but I always end up coming back to Nova Launcher.

I didn't even know Nova could do that. There is another reason to stick with it.
 

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I didn't even know Nova could do that. There is another reason to stick with it.

You can also have folders in your app drawer (another big one for me). And it's quick and easy to show your hidden items in the app drawer if need be.
 

CZroe

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You can also have folders in your app drawer (another big one for me). And it's quick and easy to show your hidden items in the app drawer if need be.

*begin rant*

I hate this. The app drawer is not supposed to be another fully customized home screen. That's what *gasp* the home screen is for. It's supposed to be where you go to when you need to reliably find something you don't regularly access from the home screen. Instead, when I give up on looking for something on the home screen I end up spending JUST AS MUCH TIME hunting for it in the app drawer.

For example, I recently loaded my visiting brother's Galaxy Note 3 up with music. He had never used his phone for that despite having it for a year and a half (and a Note II for a couple years before that). Even though it used to be my phone, updates made the navigation completely foreign to me (I used it for a year on JB4.3 TouchWiz). This was made much worse due to the app drawer behaving like it was a custom home screen. I had to do a lot of storage and SD card management not possible through the MTP interface and the mSD card was encrypted, so that meant using Settings and a file manager on the phone. The menu key just brings up some home screen customization options now, as if that needed a dedicated capacitive key. :rolleyes:

Settings was no longer accessible from launcher menus and had to be launched as an app... which meant I had to HUNT for something as basic as Settings! Yes, I am aware that some notification menus have a shortcut but I am also aware that some have a fear that just takes you to settings that customize the quick toggle or the notification menu stuff so I usually don't bother seeing which it will do on a phone that isn't mine. :rolleyes: My Files is a Samsung product so I knew to look in the Samsung folder in the app drawer, but that was still pretty silly. How much do they expect the average user to know about what company provides what apps?! I'm still kinda mad that there is no standard AOSP file manager, especially now that user apps can't access other files on the SD card. Now, I put the music on the internal storage where he had plenty of space but it turns out that he had attempted to back up his photos and videos and had them duplicated in three different places. After I consolidated files I had freed up enough space to get his music on the SD card. I moved them there.

He assured me that there was a shortcut to Music on his home screen but he had never used it and neither of us knew what it looked like. We spent an awkwardly long time looking for it before I decided to dive into his app drawer. Some pages only had an app of two and nothing was sorted alphabetically so I went through pages and pages of apps looking for it. Assuming that is was Samsung-customized and not AOSP, I looked all in the Samsung folder and somehow glossed right over it. I went back and flipped through all pages again. Eventually, I gave up and launched Google Play Music from the Google folder. I avoided it in the first place because I knew it would give me all kinds of first-time issues due to my brother keeping data and WiFi turned off all the time (paranoid type). Sure enough, I had to dismiss a ton of errors. It's clear that Google does not intend for this to be used as an offline player. When I went back to the home screen I finally spotted a shortcut to the Music app. Now that I knew what it looked like, I quickly found it in the Samsung folder.

Now, let's compare it to how it should be: A launcher with a customizable app drawer should EITHER have a toggle for a secondary view that sorts things as a list OR a proper app search bar, like Windows Start menu or WebOS Just Type or iOS Spotlight. Here's how iOS Spotlight works: If someone put the Music app somewhere I couldn't find in less than 2 seconds I would simply pull down on the home screen and type "M-u-s..." and the rest of the app's name until I see it. I usually see it on the very first letter, or even sooner if it's an app the user uses frequently: MRUs show up as soon as you pull down (Most Recently Used). This is smart, universal, design. Something similar should be part of AOSP and Google Launcher so that people will notice where other launchers are lacking and demand similar functionality.

How many customizable home screens do we need to give Android users for them to stop demanding pointlessly customizable app drawers at the expense of usability?! At the very least, demand an omnibox search within the app drawer. It's just good basic UI design.
 
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ControlD

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[snippy snip snip]

How many customizable home screens do we need to give Android users for them to stop demanding pointlessly customizable app drawers at the expense of usability?! At the very least, demand an omnibox search within the app drawer. It's just good basic UI design.

Nova launcher has a search bar for the app drawer. I have no idea how Samsung or any of the other highly skinned Androids are doing things these days.
 

CZroe

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Nova launcher has a search bar for the app drawer. I have no idea how Samsung or any of the other highly skinned Androids are doing things these days.


Good. Now we need it in AOSP so that we have a base standard that all the other skins and derivatives are based on. Too many provide the customization option without the necessary search/sort options. It's obvious every time a user is exposed to a new or unfamiliar phone.
 

poofyhairguy

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Good. Now we need it in AOSP

Google doesn't put any of the really good stuff in AOSP anymore, they put it in Play Store apps.

But the Google Experience Launcher on the Play Store (aka the launcher Nexuses use) have a search function in the app drawer by default.