my new weapon

[Jschmuck2]

i don't like commies

Why, we like you comrade! Now, can I put you down to split half of your herd with the rest of the village or will it be just a fourth?

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Journer
you don't have to be such a dick. excuse me, let me make that correction. i think anyone who tries to steal something from someone with a semi-auto assault rifle is a moron. happy?
i don't like commies

you don't have to be ignorant....so now you know the difference and you can debate your point w/ at least some knowledge. you sound like the idiots on fox news or cnn talking about "fully-automatic this and that" when they have no clue about what they are talking about.

if you are going to be a gun owner and enjoy the hobby at least learn a bit about the terminology.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Journer
only a moron would steal from someone selling fully-auto assault rifles O_O

first you need to know what you are talking about. you don't see people selling "fully-auto assault" rifles at a gun show - first they are machine guns and people can only buy the pre 1986 models, that is why a real f/a, M16 will run you $15K, even a real mac10 will run you $4-$5K - supply and demand.

the only people that can buy new machine guns are LEO, certain dealers and obviously the military, not your or I regardless of what state you live in as it is not a state law, it is federal.

please, if you are going to talk about guns do so in an educated manner.

What the hell are you talking about?

the fact that people don't know the difference between full auto and semi auto.... fully-auto - they are not being sold at gun shows - too much $$$$, too specialized market....and once a rifle is full auto, it is considered a machine gun, thought it was pretty well spelled out

I've seen full autos for sale at gun shows. Maybe that's why your incoherent rambling didn't make much sense to me.

 

[bluestrobe]

Originally posted by: TriumphI've seen full autos for sale at gun shows. Maybe that's why your incoherent rambling didn't make much sense to me.

You can buy/sell full autos at gun shows in states that allow it. To buy/sell them you need a FFL Class 3 License though and these are expensive and not easily obtainable. Go to large gun shows like Knob Creek, KY and you will see hundreds of Class 3 weapons for sale on tables.

 

[Saint Michael]

It's pronounced Tan-FO-lyi-o. The 'g' before an 'n' or an 'l' gives a consonantal 'y' sound after those sounds in Italian.

 

[Dualist]

It's very nice. Hope that you can handle it well, or perserve it as a collector's item.

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: Journer

i never said it was mainly for protection. i bought it for target practice because it's fun to me. however, i now the have added bonus of home protection should it ever be invaded and after i get my concealed carry i can protect myself on the go. i highly doubt ill ever need to protect my home since i live in a gated community in a nicer part of town, but you never know, anything can happen. i dont really plan on using my concealed carry once i get it because ill be on campus so much, but there may be a time when ill bring it with me to other activities and it may become life saving. again, most likely will never happen...but some famous person who i can remember said: "hope for the best, plan for the worst"...i dont hope i ever have to point the muzzle at another human...but if i have to i will.

i hate to sound so damned redneck, conservative, republican, or whatever..since i'm don't really fall into those categories...but people who are pro gun controller, i feel, are very anti-American and pro communism. our right to bear arms is extremely important. maybe not so much as freedom of speech and religion, but it is high up on the scale. i believe it is one of the reasons our country has stayed free and as long as it stays that way we will be. if we ever needed to revolt against our government or needed to protect ourselves in the event of homeland invasion we would be able to. the reason i think gun control people are commies is because thats what every single communist country has done before it turned communist. the officials found ways to take guns away from the public. once the government is the only one with guns, power reigns and the people become almost helpless. it is sad that it comes to this sometimes and that we cant trust officials, but its true. hopefully Americans will continue to realize this BS beforehand and quickly impeach those officials.

however, i think that gun safety is of the utmost importance. too many stupid accidents are caused by people not understanding the danger of guns and not acting properly around them. i was raised around guns and always taught proper gun control by my dad (retired military) and gun classes. the only other atrocities that can be accounted for by guns are criminal acts and its kind of hard to pass laws against people who dont abide laws in the first place...

anywho...thats my gun control rant. i love you America 😀!

Although I'm not a Republican and more of my views lean left than right, this is a subject I have recently supported.

People should be able to own guns. About the only control I'd want placed on them is a criminal background check (which is usually pointless since a criminal will get a gun on the black market) and requiring some kind of gun education before someone can purchase their first firearm (like a 4 hour class covering safe storage, safety, etc.).

However, gun ownership can go too far, just like any other hobby it can become an addiction.

There are some people not mature enough to own guns but do anyway but they should still be free to do so. For example, a company I do consulting for is almost 100% Mormon and they have lots of pictures of the crew (20-35 year old blue collar guys) posing with dozens of guns trying to look bad ass.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: Triumph
9mm is plenty powerful for a handgun. Plus you probably have a double stack magazine, so just keep shooting if the first one doesn't take them down! Ok that's not the best argument, but really, the term "stopping power" is kind of a misnomer. Nothing blows the guy back into a wall like in the movies when you shoot them.

thats what i was thinking. its only a single stack mag, but i could always get a bigger clip. but i'm not worried about having to use it on a human, again, just mainly for target.

Originally posted by: pontifex
of all the guns out there, what made you pick that one?

I don't want to knock your choice because getting more (responsible) gun owners out there is great, but man that thing looks really well used (not to mention ugly as sin).

Did you know about their quality before you bought it? I had never heard of them until now and I thought I had seen a lot of guns.

well i think looks are subjective. you might not like it, but i think it looks totally bad ass 😛
but, it is a little used, and needs a good cleaning. the reason i bought it is because it was a good price, other vendors other than the one i bought it from said good things about it, and the vendor selling it to me said he used them in competition and liked them. it also had all the features i wanted, it has a half cock, the slide is about 1/2 the size of other slides so the recoil is very very mild, it has ambidextrous safety, and extended slide release (my thumbs are short), and it fit my hand almost perfectly.

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
I never been a 9mm fan. I don't like their specs and the fan boy/wannabe cops killed it for me. Prefer .45acp or .40S&W. I hope to have a .45 Tactical XD by the end of the year. It will be a great replacement for my aging 1911A1.

i've never been a big fan of the 9mm either because i'de been using one my whole life. however, when i thought longer about my needs, it just seemed to fit. the gun was the right price, ammo is dirt cheap, and it is a perfect learning gun. i really wanted a .45 acp, but the guns were expensive, ammo is a little more, and just not as practical for a beginner. i also seemed to have a lot of problems with the size of the guns. i have giant ass hands, but my thumbs are a little short. on most .40s&w and .45acp i could not get my thumb up to the slide release. i know this could be fixed with a new grip, but there were other factors.



well, i took the gun shooting today. i ran about 90 rounds through it and didn't have a single problem. no jams (even on cheap bullets), and no problems i could see. the recoil is extremely light and it is easy to hit what I'm aiming for. i'm liking this gun more and more because it fits my hand so perfectly. i need to find myself a good local shooting range and hone my skills.

sounds like you got a good handgun that suits your needs. i like my ruger for about the same reasons you like yours, it fits my hand well and i an reach all the safeties and such. i think it looks pretty cool too, nice weapon.


and 7.62X39 can take down a deer, not sure how far it is effective, but it will take em down as far as ive shot so far. its also way fun to rabbit hunt with. im still working on skeet shooting with my sks however. thats a bit tougher.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: evolvedbullet
Speaking of guns, I wonder how powerful an AK-47 would be against animals while hunting... It's not illegal.

if i remember correctly, ballistically ~ = to a 30-30, you would just need the 5rnd mag. but check to verify my info, it has been a long time since i looked at ballistics sheets.

what are you hunting?

ya, that was the one thing i had to get... a 5 rd mag for mine. az has the round restritions for hunting also. not sure about other states. i ended up having to buy a 10rd mag and putting a 5rd stopper in it.

 

[Nyati13]

Originally posted by: evolvedbullet
Speaking of guns, I wonder how powerful an AK-47 would be against animals while hunting... It's not illegal.

It;s roughly equal to a .30-30. Good for small deer and down.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Journer
only a moron would steal from someone selling fully-auto assault rifles O_O

first you need to know what you are talking about. you don't see people selling "fully-auto assault" rifles at a gun show - first they are machine guns and people can only buy the pre 1986 models, that is why a real f/a, M16 will run you $15K, even a real mac10 will run you $4-$5K - supply and demand.

the only people that can buy new machine guns are LEO, certain dealers and obviously the military, not your or I regardless of what state you live in as it is not a state law, it is federal.

please, if you are going to talk about guns do so in an educated manner.

What the hell are you talking about?

the fact that people don't know the difference between full auto and semi auto.... fully-auto - they are not being sold at gun shows - too much $$$$, too specialized market....and once a rifle is full auto, it is considered a machine gun, thought it was pretty well spelled out

I've seen full autos for sale at gun shows. Maybe that's why your incoherent rambling didn't make much sense to me.

incoherent rambling...

you make it sound like any joe can go buy a f/a machine gun the day of the gun show, which they can't, sorry.

let me give a bit of wiggle room - you won't see machine guns @ 95% of gun shows, hows that? it would be for show and then all the paperwork would need to be done, get your nfa stamp and then actually get your f/a weapon.

also, my issue was with the ops terminology - he sounded like a news person who doesn't know anything about guns...

and bluestrobe, if you have a class 3 license couldn't you buy a post '86 dealer sample? unless it was something you wanted to keep after you were out of the biz?

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Journer
you don't have to be such a dick. excuse me, let me make that correction. i think anyone who tries to steal something from someone with a semi-auto assault rifle is a moron. happy?
i don't like commies

you don't have to be ignorant....so now you know the difference and you can debate your point w/ at least some knowledge. you sound like the idiots on fox news or cnn talking about "fully-automatic this and that" when they have no clue about what they are talking about.

if you are going to be a gun owner and enjoy the hobby at least learn a bit about the terminology.

actually, the gun shows out here usually have fully auto weapons, both rifle and sidearm. they may or may not be for sale, but the whole purpose of the gun "shows" is still to show off collections. there are many booths that have a case of stuff they cant sell but are there to look at. my dad and i frequent the shows here, mainly to look at who brought what. some pretty damn cool stuff there usually.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Journer
only a moron would steal from someone selling fully-auto assault rifles O_O

first you need to know what you are talking about. you don't see people selling "fully-auto assault" rifles at a gun show - first they are machine guns and people can only buy the pre 1986 models, that is why a real f/a, M16 will run you $15K, even a real mac10 will run you $4-$5K - supply and demand.

the only people that can buy new machine guns are LEO, certain dealers and obviously the military, not your or I regardless of what state you live in as it is not a state law, it is federal.

please, if you are going to talk about guns do so in an educated manner.

What the hell are you talking about?

the fact that people don't know the difference between full auto and semi auto.... fully-auto - they are not being sold at gun shows - too much $$$$, too specialized market....and once a rifle is full auto, it is considered a machine gun, thought it was pretty well spelled out

I've seen full autos for sale at gun shows. Maybe that's why your incoherent rambling didn't make much sense to me.

incoherent rambling...

you make it sound like any joe can go buy a f/a machine gun the day of the gun show, which they can't, sorry.

let me give a bit of wiggle room - you won't see machine guns @ 95% of gun shows, hows that? it would be for show and then all the paperwork would need to be done, get your nfa stamp and then actually get your f/a weapon.

also, my issue was with the ops terminology - he sounded like a news person who doesn't know anything about guns...

Who is talking about the process of buying a fully automatic weapon? I still don't know why you even brought that up. Let's go back to what he said:

gun shows are cool as hell. for 6 bux you get access to all kinds of shit. i don't know why these people had security systems on their gun racks...only a moron would steal from someone selling fully-auto assault rifles O_O

What in that statement would possibly make you want to bring up the NFA and all the dribble about the process of buying a fully auto weapon, and call him an idiot? He made a simple, declarative, and true statement (that was really meant as a joke) and you go off the handle, saying he doesn't know anything about firearms and he's an idiot for even opening his mouth and no one sells full auto assault rifles at gun shows and National Firearms Act blah blah blah blah. I just think it's funny because there's no logical connection between what he said and your reply.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: Journer

i never said it was mainly for protection. i bought it for target practice because it's fun to me. however, i now the have added bonus of home protection should it ever be invaded and after i get my concealed carry i can protect myself on the go. i highly doubt ill ever need to protect my home since i live in a gated community in a nicer part of town, but you never know, anything can happen. i dont really plan on using my concealed carry once i get it because ill be on campus so much, but there may be a time when ill bring it with me to other activities and it may become life saving. again, most likely will never happen...but some famous person who i can remember said: "hope for the best, plan for the worst"...i dont hope i ever have to point the muzzle at another human...but if i have to i will.

i hate to sound so damned redneck, conservative, republican, or whatever..since i'm don't really fall into those categories...but people who are pro gun controller, i feel, are very anti-American and pro communism. our right to bear arms is extremely important. maybe not so much as freedom of speech and religion, but it is high up on the scale. i believe it is one of the reasons our country has stayed free and as long as it stays that way we will be. if we ever needed to revolt against our government or needed to protect ourselves in the event of homeland invasion we would be able to. the reason i think gun control people are commies is because thats what every single communist country has done before it turned communist. the officials found ways to take guns away from the public. once the government is the only one with guns, power reigns and the people become almost helpless. it is sad that it comes to this sometimes and that we cant trust officials, but its true. hopefully Americans will continue to realize this BS beforehand and quickly impeach those officials.

however, i think that gun safety is of the utmost importance. too many stupid accidents are caused by people not understanding the danger of guns and not acting properly around them. i was raised around guns and always taught proper gun control by my dad (retired military) and gun classes. the only other atrocities that can be accounted for by guns are criminal acts and its kind of hard to pass laws against people who dont abide laws in the first place...

anywho...thats my gun control rant. i love you America 😀!

Although I'm not a Republican and more of my views lean left than right, this is a subject I have recently supported.

People should be able to own guns. About the only control I'd want placed on them is a criminal background check (which is usually pointless since a criminal will get a gun on the black market) and requiring some kind of gun education before someone can purchase their first firearm (like a 4 hour class covering safe storage, safety, etc.).

However, gun ownership can go too far, just like any other hobby it can become an addiction.

There are some people not mature enough to own guns but do anyway but they should still be free to do so. For example, a company I do consulting for is almost 100% Mormon and they have lots of pictures of the crew (20-35 year old blue collar guys) posing with dozens of guns trying to look bad ass.

this is something we can definitely agree on - the cause. just remember w/ the way politics is anymore people will sell out to the other side or take on a normal non party view just to earn a few points. the 2nd amendment, in the back of everyone's mind, is the amendment that has the capability to keep all the others around, so imho, it is the most important.

also read what the nra is doing, and be carfeul, they seem to be getting a little "soft" anymore and quite a few pro-gun people aren't too impressed w/ it. imho, the only people that want gun control is the people that don't value our way of life, even in DC. take a look here, at this 'bumper sticker" and realize it is what happend and history has been known to repeat it itself. before you come back bitching at me, read the whole thing because at first glance the visual impact lead you the wrong way, and it might be NSFW.

also check out the links in my sig, there are ways to legally make your own firearms at either the whole, billet block -> finished receiver if you have access to the correct equipment level and all kinds of other things. again, totally legal in most states, it is up to you to find that info.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Journer
only a moron would steal from someone selling fully-auto assault rifles O_O

first you need to know what you are talking about. you don't see people selling "fully-auto assault" rifles at a gun show - first they are machine guns and people can only buy the pre 1986 models, that is why a real f/a, M16 will run you $15K, even a real mac10 will run you $4-$5K - supply and demand.

the only people that can buy new machine guns are LEO, certain dealers and obviously the military, not your or I regardless of what state you live in as it is not a state law, it is federal.

please, if you are going to talk about guns do so in an educated manner.

What the hell are you talking about?

the fact that people don't know the difference between full auto and semi auto.... fully-auto - they are not being sold at gun shows - too much $$$$, too specialized market....and once a rifle is full auto, it is considered a machine gun, thought it was pretty well spelled out

I've seen full autos for sale at gun shows. Maybe that's why your incoherent rambling didn't make much sense to me.

incoherent rambling...

you make it sound like any joe can go buy a f/a machine gun the day of the gun show, which they can't, sorry.

let me give a bit of wiggle room - you won't see machine guns @ 95% of gun shows, hows that? it would be for show and then all the paperwork would need to be done, get your nfa stamp and then actually get your f/a weapon.

also, my issue was with the ops terminology - he sounded like a news person who doesn't know anything about guns...

Who is talking about the process of buying a fully automatic weapon? I still don't know why you even brought that up. Let's go back to what he said:

gun shows are cool as hell. for 6 bux you get access to all kinds of shit. i don't know why these people had security systems on their gun racks...only a moron would steal from someone selling fully-auto assault rifles O_O

What in that statement would possibly make you want to bring up the NFA and all the dribble about the process of buying a fully auto weapon, and call him an idiot? He made a simple, declarative, and true statement (that was really meant as a joke) and you go off the handle, saying he doesn't know anything about firearms and he's an idiot for even opening his mouth and no one sells full auto assault rifles at gun shows and National Firearms Act blah blah blah blah. I just think it's funny because there's no logical connection between what he said and your reply.

good lord, full-auto assault rifle ... the term doesn't make sense. once it is f/a it is a machine gun, that is what started me off. if this person is going to be talking about guns to others, i think the correct terminology should be used since most people are already either on the fence or on the other side and if the op doesn't know the difference then a anit-gun person isn't going to listen if they know anything about firearms.

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: bluestrobe

Originally posted by: TriumphI've seen full autos for sale at gun shows. Maybe that's why your incoherent rambling didn't make much sense to me.

You can buy/sell full autos at gun shows in states that allow it. To buy/sell them you need a FFL Class 3 License though and these are expensive and not easily obtainable. Go to large gun shows like Knob Creek, KY and you will see hundreds of Class 3 weapons for sale on tables.

There's no such thing.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Could you cite something that hasn't been totally debunked:

Here

Here

Here


Also: doesn't this belong in P&N?

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Could you cite something that hasn't been totally debunked:

Here

Here

Here


Also: doesn't this belong in P&N?

if you are referring to the link to the bumper sticker, it is not citing a date and you can't tell me hitler was pro-gun for anybody outside of the nazi party, now that just doesn't make sense. and from your own first example:

Armed primarily with pistols, Molotov cocktails, grenades
and explosives, and desperately short of ammunition, the Warsaw
Ghetto fighters were able to hold off the Waffen-SS for almost a month
in April of 1943, killing a dozen or more Nazis and wounding many more,

If these Jewish fighters had been as well-armed as some of their
Israeli descendants are today, who knows how history might have turned
out?

doesn't sound ilk they had many resources except more than likely illegally smuggled weapons, not like they had free reign and a "right to bear arms" but read and interpret it however you wish

 

[franksta]

I remember my first handgun, which was also my first firearm of any type. I bought it in January 2006 as a birthday gift to myself. 🙂

Parkerized Springfield 1911

Then my wife bought me a clay pigeon launcher that Christmas. I couldn't shoot the clays safely with my handgun so...

Marine-Coat Mossberg 590

I wanted to carry my 1911 but had some concerns about being able to effectively use the safeties in a stressful situation so enter my carry piece...

SIG P229R 40S&W

And just to round out the collection and extend my effective range I put this thing together over the course of a couple of months.

AR-15 5.56mm



Have fun and remember the 4 rules.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: franksta
SIG P229R 40S&W

I like the lanyard that one comes with.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: franksta
I remember my first handgun, which was also my first firearm of any type. I bought it in January 2006 as a birthday gift to myself. 🙂

Parkerized Springfield 1911

Then my wife bought me a clay pigeon launcher that Christmas. I couldn't shoot the clays safely with my handgun so...

Marine-Coat Mossberg 590

I wanted to carry my 1911 but had some concerns about being able to effectively use the safeties in a stressful situation so enter my carry piece...

SIG P229R 40S&W

And just to round out the collection and extend my effective range I put this thing together over the course of a couple of months.

AR-15 5.56mm



Have fun and remember the 4 rules.

very nice, i think after my AR45 gets finished, my next will be a 1911 🙂 i currently have a glock due to its safety setup - for me and the wife had the stress be there where it would be needed, w/ the glock you don't have to worry about it, but i love 1911s, very nice indeed 🙂

 

[bluestrobe]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: bluestrobe

Originally posted by: TriumphI've seen full autos for sale at gun shows. Maybe that's why your incoherent rambling didn't make much sense to me.

You can buy/sell full autos at gun shows in states that allow it. To buy/sell them you need a FFL Class 3 License though and these are expensive and not easily obtainable. Go to large gun shows like Knob Creek, KY and you will see hundreds of Class 3 weapons for sale on tables.

There's no such thing.

The wording might be off but how is there no such thing as a class 3 license? The FFL is a license required to sell and I put the two together which was wrong.

 

[tyanni]

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Great! Now you can protect yourself against....what exactly?

i never said it was mainly for protection. i bought it for target practice because it's fun to me. however, i now the have added bonus of home protection should it ever be invaded and after i get my concealed carry i can protect myself on the go. i highly doubt ill ever need to protect my home since i live in a gated community in a nicer part of town, but you never know, anything can happen. i dont really plan on using my concealed carry once i get it because ill be on campus so much, but there may be a time when ill bring it with me to other activities and it may become life saving. again, most likely will never happen...but some famous person who i can remember said: "hope for the best, plan for the worst"...i dont hope i ever have to point the muzzle at another human...but if i have to i will.

i hate to sound so damned redneck, conservative, republican, or whatever..since i'm don't really fall into those categories...but people who are pro gun controller, i feel, are very anti-American and pro communism. our right to bear arms is extremely important. maybe not so much as freedom of speech and religion, but it is high up on the scale. i believe it is one of the reasons our country has stayed free and as long as it stays that way we will be. if we ever needed to revolt against our government or needed to protect ourselves in the event of homeland invasion we would be able to. the reason i think gun control people are commies is because thats what every single communist country has done before it turned communist. the officials found ways to take guns away from the public. once the government is the only one with guns, power reigns and the people become almost helpless. it is sad that it comes to this sometimes and that we cant trust officials, but its true. hopefully Americans will continue to realize this BS beforehand and quickly impeach those officials.

however, i think that gun safety is of the utmost importance. too many stupid accidents are caused by people not understanding the danger of guns and not acting properly around them. i was raised around guns and always taught proper gun control by my dad (retired military) and gun classes. the only other atrocities that can be accounted for by guns are criminal acts and its kind of hard to pass laws against people who dont abide laws in the first place...

anywho...thats my gun control rant. i love you America 😀!

Hmm...I guess Great Britain is well on its way to becoming a Communist country then. I better run and warn them!

 

[Saint Michael]

All I really know about guns comes from CS. I'm guessing that's the case with everybody here, though, so you know what I mean when I say the only thing you need is a deagle/pump. A couple flashes would be enough for me to deal with most robbers with a lead pipe, anyway.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Saint Michael
All I really know about guns comes from CS. I'm guessing that's the case with everybody here, though, so you know what I mean when I say the only thing you need is a deagle/pump. A couple flashes would be enough for me to deal with most robbers with a lead pipe, anyway.

there are some of us that have firsthand knowledge.....:roll: