My neighbor killed a motorcycle rider on 3 July (MVA)

[waggy]

Originally posted by: desy
AS a motorcycle rider, It was drilled drive defensive defensive defensive.
Cars will not see you.

As a motorcycle rider I wear a leather jacket, gloves, boots, and a helmet

She killed him her fault plain and simple.

Any state that has no helmet laws are insane IMO

Motorcycles have their place in traffic, use your superior acceleration braking and vision to keep from dying. I drive a street bike I used to have a crotch rocket but those days are long behind me

yeah you can accelerate and brake faster but that really does not matter when they pull out in front of you.

 

[MaxDepth]

I believe a helmet saved my life when I was forced off the road and into a culvert.

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: desy
AS a motorcycle rider, It was drilled drive defensive defensive defensive.
Cars will not see you.

As a motorcycle rider I wear a leather jacket, gloves, boots, and a helmet

She killed him her fault plain and simple.

Any state that has no helmet laws are insane IMO

Motorcycles have their place in traffic, use your superior acceleration braking and vision to keep from dying. I drive a street bike I used to have a crotch rocket but those days are long behind me

100% true. Anyone that has ridden a bike for a few months or more can tell you a story of cars that pull out or turn right in front of them because they don't see them. There are lots of marginal, inattentive drivers out there. Decent bike riders have to develop a sixth sense as to what the idiots in cars may do in order to survive. I gave up my bike after about the third time I almost got turned into a pancake by some fool-and that was in the days before car cell phones.

It's possible the helmet wouldn't have saved his life anyway in a collision of this magnitude, but I think he was an absolute fool for riding without one.

 

[DrPizza]

heck... all the same problems apply to 10 speed bikes as well.... drivers just don't see them.

 

[clarkmo]

Originally posted by: desy
AS a motorcycle rider, It was drilled drive defensive defensive defensive.
Cars will not see you.

As a motorcycle rider I wear a leather jacket, gloves, boots, and a helmet

She killed him her fault plain and simple.

Any state that has no helmet laws are insane IMO

Motorcycles have their place in traffic, use your superior acceleration braking and vision to keep from dying. I drive a street bike I used to have a crotch rocket but those days are long behind me

You said it your self. Cars will not see you. That is the whole point ,imho. She may not have driven dangerously or recklessly. Yes, I know the facts that have been reported of the accident. But I think we all could agree that she did not see him or she would not have pulled out. The only thing dangerous or reckless would be if she did not look. There have been several times I have looked and the motorcycle was just not there. I make my move and Shazam!, he drops in from his space ship. One difference between a bike and a motorcycle is speed. They have the same approximate profile. And yet bike riders where neon glow stuff and do everything they can to be seen.
If your gonna ride a motorcycle you are almost always automatically, at least partially at fault, imho, because you contributed to your own accident just because of the nature of the equuipment involved.
The law may say no helmet and equal liability but when has anyone ever confused the law with reality.
In a court room during a lawsuit, I suppose. A judge may be obligated by the law to do the wrong thing and give this girl a prison sentence. Justice and the law are not very compatible sometimes and some laws are just downright stupid. It does contribute to the GNP though.

 

[slick230]

Originally posted by: clarkmo

Originally posted by: desy
AS a motorcycle rider, It was drilled drive defensive defensive defensive.
Cars will not see you.

As a motorcycle rider I wear a leather jacket, gloves, boots, and a helmet

She killed him her fault plain and simple.

Any state that has no helmet laws are insane IMO

Motorcycles have their place in traffic, use your superior acceleration braking and vision to keep from dying. I drive a street bike I used to have a crotch rocket but those days are long behind me

You said it your self. Cars will not see you. That is the whole point ,imho. She may not have driven dangerously or recklessly. Yes, I know the facts that have been reported of the accident. But I think we all could agree that she did not see him or she would not have pulled out. The only thing dangerous or reckless would be if she did not look. There have been several times I have looked and the motorcycle was just not there. I make my move and Shazam!, he drops in from his space ship. One difference between a bike and a motorcycle is speed. They have the same approximate profile. And yet bike riders where neon glow stuff and do everything they can to be seen.
If your gonna ride a motorcycle you are almost always automatically, at least partially at fault, imho, because you contributed to your own accident just because of the nature of the equuipment involved.
The law may say no helmet and equal liability but when has anyone ever confused the law with reality.
In a court room during a lawsuit, I suppose. A judge may be obligated by the law to do the wrong thing and give this girl a prison sentence. Justice and the law are not very compatible sometimes and some laws are just downright stupid. It does contribute to the GNP though.

You are an idiot.

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: slick230

Originally posted by: clarkmo

Originally posted by: desy
AS a motorcycle rider, It was drilled drive defensive defensive defensive.
Cars will not see you.

As a motorcycle rider I wear a leather jacket, gloves, boots, and a helmet

She killed him her fault plain and simple.

Any state that has no helmet laws are insane IMO

Motorcycles have their place in traffic, use your superior acceleration braking and vision to keep from dying. I drive a street bike I used to have a crotch rocket but those days are long behind me

You said it your self. Cars will not see you. That is the whole point ,imho. She may not have driven dangerously or recklessly. Yes, I know the facts that have been reported of the accident. But I think we all could agree that she did not see him or she would not have pulled out. The only thing dangerous or reckless would be if she did not look. There have been several times I have looked and the motorcycle was just not there. I make my move and Shazam!, he drops in from his space ship. One difference between a bike and a motorcycle is speed. They have the same approximate profile. And yet bike riders where neon glow stuff and do everything they can to be seen.
If your gonna ride a motorcycle you are almost always automatically, at least partially at fault, imho, because you contributed to your own accident just because of the nature of the equuipment involved.
The law may say no helmet and equal liability but when has anyone ever confused the law with reality.
In a court room during a lawsuit, I suppose. A judge may be obligated by the law to do the wrong thing and give this girl a prison sentence. Justice and the law are not very compatible sometimes and some laws are just downright stupid. It does contribute to the GNP though.

You are an idiot.

i wasnt sure if i would respond to this topic, but i read this post and i agree. what an idiotic statement.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: slick230

Originally posted by: clarkmo

Originally posted by: desy
AS a motorcycle rider, It was drilled drive defensive defensive defensive.
Cars will not see you.

As a motorcycle rider I wear a leather jacket, gloves, boots, and a helmet

She killed him her fault plain and simple.

Any state that has no helmet laws are insane IMO

Motorcycles have their place in traffic, use your superior acceleration braking and vision to keep from dying. I drive a street bike I used to have a crotch rocket but those days are long behind me

You said it your self. Cars will not see you. That is the whole point ,imho. She may not have driven dangerously or recklessly. Yes, I know the facts that have been reported of the accident. But I think we all could agree that she did not see him or she would not have pulled out. The only thing dangerous or reckless would be if she did not look. There have been several times I have looked and the motorcycle was just not there. I make my move and Shazam!, he drops in from his space ship. One difference between a bike and a motorcycle is speed. They have the same approximate profile. And yet bike riders where neon glow stuff and do everything they can to be seen.
If your gonna ride a motorcycle you are almost always automatically, at least partially at fault, imho, because you contributed to your own accident just because of the nature of the equuipment involved.
The law may say no helmet and equal liability but when has anyone ever confused the law with reality.
In a court room during a lawsuit, I suppose. A judge may be obligated by the law to do the wrong thing and give this girl a prison sentence. Justice and the law are not very compatible sometimes and some laws are just downright stupid. It does contribute to the GNP though.

You are an idiot.

i wasnt sure if i would respond to this topic, but i read this post and i agree. what an idiotic statement.

I think for the first time ever, I agree with slick230.

 

[slick230]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: slick230

Originally posted by: clarkmo

Originally posted by: desy
AS a motorcycle rider, It was drilled drive defensive defensive defensive.
Cars will not see you.

As a motorcycle rider I wear a leather jacket, gloves, boots, and a helmet

She killed him her fault plain and simple.

Any state that has no helmet laws are insane IMO

Motorcycles have their place in traffic, use your superior acceleration braking and vision to keep from dying. I drive a street bike I used to have a crotch rocket but those days are long behind me

You said it your self. Cars will not see you. That is the whole point ,imho. She may not have driven dangerously or recklessly. Yes, I know the facts that have been reported of the accident. But I think we all could agree that she did not see him or she would not have pulled out. The only thing dangerous or reckless would be if she did not look. There have been several times I have looked and the motorcycle was just not there. I make my move and Shazam!, he drops in from his space ship. One difference between a bike and a motorcycle is speed. They have the same approximate profile. And yet bike riders where neon glow stuff and do everything they can to be seen.
If your gonna ride a motorcycle you are almost always automatically, at least partially at fault, imho, because you contributed to your own accident just because of the nature of the equuipment involved.
The law may say no helmet and equal liability but when has anyone ever confused the law with reality.
In a court room during a lawsuit, I suppose. A judge may be obligated by the law to do the wrong thing and give this girl a prison sentence. Justice and the law are not very compatible sometimes and some laws are just downright stupid. It does contribute to the GNP though.

You are an idiot.

i wasnt sure if i would respond to this topic, but i read this post and i agree. what an idiotic statement.

I think for the first time ever, I agree with slick230.

Haha, see, I'm not a COMPLETE tool, but pretty close.

 

[Mnementh]

Originally posted by: clarkmo

Originally posted by: desy
AS a motorcycle rider, It was drilled drive defensive defensive defensive.
Cars will not see you.

As a motorcycle rider I wear a leather jacket, gloves, boots, and a helmet

She killed him her fault plain and simple.

Any state that has no helmet laws are insane IMO

Motorcycles have their place in traffic, use your superior acceleration braking and vision to keep from dying. I drive a street bike I used to have a crotch rocket but those days are long behind me

You said it your self. Cars will not see you. That is the whole point ,imho. She may not have driven dangerously or recklessly. Yes, I know the facts that have been reported of the accident. But I think we all could agree that she did not see him or she would not have pulled out. The only thing dangerous or reckless would be if she did not look. There have been several times I have looked and the motorcycle was just not there. I make my move and Shazam!, he drops in from his space ship. One difference between a bike and a motorcycle is speed. They have the same approximate profile. And yet bike riders where neon glow stuff and do everything they can to be seen.
If your gonna ride a motorcycle you are almost always automatically, at least partially at fault, imho, because you contributed to your own accident just because of the nature of the equuipment involved.
The law may say no helmet and equal liability but when has anyone ever confused the law with reality.
In a court room during a lawsuit, I suppose. A judge may be obligated by the law to do the wrong thing and give this girl a prison sentence. Justice and the law are not very compatible sometimes and some laws are just downright stupid. It does contribute to the GNP though.

You sir are a tool, I hope somebody runs you over while you are crossing the street after all you are contributing towards your accident precisely by the very nature of the fact that you are walking and were not in a car. Oh and it would be your fault you were run over because of that very fact...

Moron

 

[desy]

Well, thats an opinion and not a legal argument, I won't go so far as idiot

Like I said it was her fault but she wont go to jail, its called an ACCIDENT
The hardest part will be her forgiving herself, the family will get some liability money and thats where it should end.

Thousands die every year in all kinds of traffic. But head injuries are what kill motorcyclists just ask all those hollywood celebs like Busey if he'll ride without a helmet anymore. . .

 

[Scarpozzi]

Drivers these days are getting MUCH worse. I was in 2 accidents in a month's time. Both were pretty bad and both were the fault of female drivers that weren't paying attention. Yesterday, I saw 2 cars driving the wrong way on 1 way streets (different streets). I'm starting to think there's a problem with the DMV letting too many STUPID people through the system. They need to really start testing people and re-testing and FAILING those who can't cut it.

 

[maziwanka]

yea i agree. getting a license has become too easy

 

[Mnementh]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Drivers these days are getting MUCH worse. I was in 2 accidents in a month's time. Both were pretty bad and both were the fault of female drivers that weren't paying attention. Yesterday, I saw 2 cars driving the wrong way on 1 way streets (different streets). I'm starting to think there's a problem with the DMV letting too many STUPID people through the system. They need to really start testing people and re-testing and FAILING those who can't cut it.

I'm a firm believer if you don't pass your test after 3 tries you should never be allowed to drive, there's a woman over here (UK) who took 40 attempts to pass her test, they even made a TV programme about how bad she was, but the scariest thing is she finally passed on her 40th attempt and is now perfectly legal to drive on our roads with no restrictions whatsoever. People like that should never be given licenses...

 

[LokiX]

I didnt read the entire post and maybe i should have but oh well. The argument that a helmet makes it harder to hear is BS. I have riden once with out my helmet. It was maybe up to about 25 or so and the wind noise was so loud i could hear nothing else. With a helmet on your ear is protected form the harsh sounds of the wind noise and i can actually hear better. I feel sorry for both parties but have to side with the rider on this one. Then again i have never take someone elses life and cant imagine how she feels. I wasnt there and cannot pass judgement. Both parties involved are in my prayers.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: AaronB
The helmet arguement is a moot point. His failure to wear a helmet is secondary to the womans failure to yeild right of way.

Yes he might have lived if he wore a helmet but he definately would have lived if some idiot hadn't pulled out in front of him.

If the op has his facts straight then this woman is most likely going to be facing criminal charges.

Someone died due to her actions. Accident or not, thats manslaughter.

Manslaughter? You moron. Do you even know what manslaughter is? Its when you accidetally kill someone without intending to, but not in these circumstances. Manslaughter would be getting in a fight and accidentally killing the person your fighting, not pulling out in front of a crotch rocket.

 

[rh71]

cars will not see you

This is about the only time I support the agitating noise those Harleys make as you ride. There's no way you would not know they are there... or in the vicinity. And you all know you look when you hear them...

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: rh71

cars will not see you

This is about the only time I support the agitating noise those Harleys make as you ride. There's no way you would not know they are there... or in the vicinity. And you all know you look when you hear them...

Tell my father that. He rode a eltra glide and had neon and piles of lights on His harley, yet some dumb women didn;t take the 2 seconds to REALLY look and pulled out in front of him.

Then for my accident it was around noon, clear beright day, and my bike is just as loud as any harley yet the guy did not see, or hear me. The ONLY reason he stopped is he FELT something hit is SUV.


Its not bikers faults for other drivers that don;t take the extra 2 sconds to REALLY look. Juts like it is not the fault of peopel that drive Honda Civics, Pontiac Sunfires, Toyota..etc.. when a large suv or other sizeable vehicle hits them and does more damage/or killes them.

Don't blame the victim, blame the lazy drivers that don;t take the time to see if it is clear and drive like a idiot.

 

[grrl]

Read the first two pages and I can't see how anyone can blame the rider for anything other than not wearing a helmet. Even if he was following too closely, that doesn't excuse the fact the woman DID NOT LOOK DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN BEFORE PULLING OUT!

 

[clarkmo]

Originally posted by: grrl
Read the first two pages and I can't see how anyone can blame the rider for anything other than not wearing a helmet. Even if he was following too closely, that doesn't excuse the fact the woman DID NOT LOOK DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN BEFORE PULLING OUT!

Ahh, but she may have. We just don't know. Nor do we know if the motorcycle had changed lanes, acceleratd or decellerated or what his visibilty was. I stand by my earlier opinion, idiot tool or not. Motorcycles are more dangerous than other vehicles for many reasons. This is well known by all except perhaps some who ride them.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: grrl
Read the first two pages and I can't see how anyone can blame the rider for anything other than not wearing a helmet. Even if he was following too closely, that doesn't excuse the fact the woman DID NOT LOOK DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN BEFORE PULLING OUT!

Read the first two pages and I can't see how anyone blamed the rider for anything at all! Care to post a quote that proves otherwise?

 

[MadPeriot]

My friend just layed his bike last week and broke his colar bone up ay Angel Crest (very curvy mountain pass) in Pasadena where alot of riders ride.

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: clarkmo
If your gonna ride a motorcycle you are almost always automatically, at least partially at fault, imho, because you contributed to your own accident just because of the nature of the equuipment involved.

I ride a bicycle (not a motorbike, the good old fashioned 1 hp (human power) bike) to school. Does that mean if i get in an accident, i'm at fault automatically cause i choose to ride a bike that weighs ~30lbs, as opposed to driving a 3k lbs car? It's illegal for me to ride on the sidewalk (as i'm over 12) so my only choice is the street, if i get hit as a car is making a right turn and hits me in the bikelane, am i at fault? Heaven forbid i'll ever need to make a left......
To your credit though the very nature of bikes make them difficult to see and means that drivers have to be careful about looking before they move. But i don't know about everyone else, but i was taught how to drive on the roads that are shared not just with other cars, but bikers, pedestrians.. cyclists.. etc. I was taught to look and to look EVERY TIME.

My sympathies to both parties, It sucks for everyone involved.

 

[AaronB]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

Originally posted by: AaronB
The helmet arguement is a moot point. His failure to wear a helmet is secondary to the womans failure to yeild right of way.

Yes he might have lived if he wore a helmet but he definately would have lived if some idiot hadn't pulled out in front of him.

If the op has his facts straight then this woman is most likely going to be facing criminal charges.

Someone died due to her actions. Accident or not, thats manslaughter.

Manslaughter? You moron. Do you even know what manslaughter is? Its when you accidetally kill someone without intending to, but not in these circumstances. Manslaughter would be getting in a fight and accidentally killing the person your fighting, not pulling out in front of a crotch rocket.

Dictionary seems to agree with me.

Failure to yield the right of way is illegal btw.

Anything else you want to fly off the handle about?

 

[clarkmo]

Originally posted by: AaronB

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

Originally posted by: AaronB
The helmet arguement is a moot point. His failure to wear a helmet is secondary to the womans failure to yeild right of way.

Yes he might have lived if he wore a helmet but he definately would have lived if some idiot hadn't pulled out in front of him.

If the op has his facts straight then this woman is most likely going to be facing criminal charges.

Someone died due to her actions. Accident or not, thats manslaughter.

Manslaughter? You moron. Do you even know what manslaughter is? Its when you accidetally kill someone without intending to, but not in these circumstances. Manslaughter would be getting in a fight and accidentally killing the person your fighting, not pulling out in front of a crotch rocket.

Dictionary seems to agree with me.

Failure to yield the right of way is illegal btw.

Anything else you want to fly off the handle about?

It still seems to harsh for the limited facts we have. I'm sure, by that definition it'd be a misdemenor but you never know.