My mother is crazy

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I think medical costs are more of the problem than the insurance itself.

The cost is so high because of the rediculous costs associated with hospitals.

A trip to the emergency room often exceeds $500 for minor things, if youre seriously hurt youre talking a lifetimes income. The same care in another country is a fraction of the cost across the board.

Part of the problem are the high malpractice premiums that doctors have to pay. Part of the high medical costs have been brought on by society and malpractice suits.

I brought that up and one of our meetings and everyone agreed that problem does need to be addressed. There is not a single solution to this problem. There is no one way to fix it. It's going to take both sides to come together and get this thing to work.

So the solution is to walk/run to the gov't and force the taxpayers to foot the bill?

Ever wonder what happens when a person who is in poverty has a heart attack? Who pays for that? Do we kick them out of their house and sell all their possessions to foot the bill?

The solution is not simple, and I nor my mom have the answers.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: aidanjm
BTW I am in agreement with your mother, yes OF COURSE health care should be a right. Fortunately I live in Australia, where you don't really need private health insurance, as the public health care system is excellent. I am amazed that you people in America seem to think that health care is some kind of luxury, only available to those that can afford it. My own view is that in a civilised society, health care is made available to all (even those with no money and no job).

If you can't get a job with medical insurance why is that my problem?

It's not about you. It's about what a civilised society decides is appropriate or desirable. It's only a matter of time before you get a socialised medicine in the usa.

I hope I'm not alive to see that kind of socialist system in the US. Welfare, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc... are bad enough.

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: her209
Do healthier citizens make more productive workers?

yes, but most workers should already have some sort of health insurance. It is the smaller mom and pop shops that get the shaft for health insurance. I believe we need to find a way to make the premiums more affordable for these types of businesses.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I hope she stays safe but I hope the goal of her walk fails miserably. Healthcare is not a right nor should it be considered one.

/P&N

Give me a fvcking break. :roll: I don't even want to get into this.

:beer: Here's to your mom and her fight for one biggest issues at hand in this country. I wish her all the luck in the world...she's going to need it.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I hope I'm not alive to see that kind of socialist system in the US. Welfare, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc... are bad enough.

Don't forget all the corporate welfare.

 

[rmrf]

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I think medical costs are more of the problem than the insurance itself.

The cost is so high because of the rediculous costs associated with hospitals.

A trip to the emergency room often exceeds $500 for minor things, if youre seriously hurt youre talking a lifetimes income. The same care in another country is a fraction of the cost across the board.

Part of the problem are the high malpractice premiums that doctors have to pay. Part of the high medical costs have been brought on by society and malpractice suits.

I brought that up and one of our meetings and everyone agreed that problem does need to be addressed. There is not a single solution to this problem. There is no one way to fix it. It's going to take both sides to come together and get this thing to work.

So the solution is to walk/run to the gov't and force the taxpayers to foot the bill?

Ever wonder what happens when a person who is in poverty has a heart attack? Who pays for that? Do we kick them out of their house and sell all their possessions to foot the bill?

The solution is not simple, and I nor my mom have the answers.

obviously we don't want to kick them out of their home and sell all their stuff. so we want to increase the tax burden on the people that are barely making to begin with, and put them on the streets?

there are other ways to fix this, besides whining to the gov't. this is the epitomy of the squeaky wheel....

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I hope I'm not alive to see that kind of socialist system in the US. Welfare, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc... are bad enough.

Don't forget all the corporate welfare.

I was not specific for a reason. So, you can take that part of your left-wing agenda and shove it.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I hope she stays safe but I hope the goal of her walk fails miserably. Healthcare is not a right nor should it be considered one.

/P&N

I can't even begin to fathom the DEPRAVITY that would lead someone to advocate the above viewpoint. You represent everything that is morally sick and diseased in the USA today, imo.

people only deserve the health care they can pay for. this country was created on the premise that it's citizens would be able to enjoy freedoms of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, NOT free health care.

Incorrect. People deserve healthcare - full stop. They can't afford it? Then it is given to them - free of charge. yes, that's right, FREE OF CHARGE. Because that is what you do when you are a decent, civilised person living in a decent, civilised society.

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I hope she stays safe but I hope the goal of her walk fails miserably. Healthcare is not a right nor should it be considered one.

/P&N

Give me a fvcking break. :roll: I don't even want to get into this.

:beer: Here's to your mom and her fight for one biggest issues at hand in this country. I wish her all the luck in the world...she's going to need it.

Thank you, and thank you to everyone else who has passed on their graditude. It is very much appreciated.

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I think medical costs are more of the problem than the insurance itself.

The cost is so high because of the rediculous costs associated with hospitals.

A trip to the emergency room often exceeds $500 for minor things, if youre seriously hurt youre talking a lifetimes income. The same care in another country is a fraction of the cost across the board.

Part of the problem are the high malpractice premiums that doctors have to pay. Part of the high medical costs have been brought on by society and malpractice suits.

I brought that up and one of our meetings and everyone agreed that problem does need to be addressed. There is not a single solution to this problem. There is no one way to fix it. It's going to take both sides to come together and get this thing to work.

So the solution is to walk/run to the gov't and force the taxpayers to foot the bill?

Ever wonder what happens when a person who is in poverty has a heart attack? Who pays for that? Do we kick them out of their house and sell all their possessions to foot the bill?

The solution is not simple, and I nor my mom have the answers.

medicaid

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I hope she stays safe but I hope the goal of her walk fails miserably. Healthcare is not a right nor should it be considered one.

/P&N

I can't even begin to fathom the DEPRAVITY that would lead someone to advocate the above viewpoint. You represent everything that is morally sick and diseased in the USA today, imo.

people only deserve the health care they can pay for. this country was created on the premise that it's citizens would be able to enjoy freedoms of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, NOT free health care.

Incorrect. People deserve healthcare - full stop. They can't afford it? Then it is given to them - free of charge. yes, that's right, FREE OF CHARGE. Because that is what you do when you are a decent, civilised person living in a decent, civilised society.

So who pays for it? Force doctors into slave labor? Increase the tax burden on those members of society who are not a net drain on resources?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I hope I'm not alive to see that kind of socialist system in the US. Welfare, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc... are bad enough.

Don't forget all the corporate welfare.

I was not specific for a reason. So, you can take that part of your left-wing agenda and shove it.

Truth hurts doesn't it.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I hope I'm not alive to see that kind of socialist system in the US. Welfare, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc... are bad enough.

Don't forget all the corporate welfare.

I was not specific for a reason. So, you can take that part of your left-wing agenda and shove it.

Truth hurts doesn't it.

What truth?

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I hope she stays safe but I hope the goal of her walk fails miserably. Healthcare is not a right nor should it be considered one.

/P&N

I can't even begin to fathom the DEPRAVITY that would lead someone to advocate the above viewpoint. You represent everything that is morally sick and diseased in the USA today, imo.

people only deserve the health care they can pay for. this country was created on the premise that it's citizens would be able to enjoy freedoms of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, NOT free health care.

Incorrect. People deserve healthcare - full stop. They can't afford it? Then it is given to them - free of charge. yes, that's right, FREE OF CHARGE. Because that is what you do when you are a decent, civilised person living in a decent, civilised society.

A civilized society recognizes the rights of individuals to not be oppressed by the private concerns of others.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I hope I'm not alive to see that kind of socialist system in the US. Welfare, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc... are bad enough.

Don't forget all the corporate welfare.

I was not specific for a reason. So, you can take that part of your left-wing agenda and shove it.

Truth hurts doesn't it.

What truth?

Ignoring it won't make it any less true.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I hope she stays safe but I hope the goal of her walk fails miserably. Healthcare is not a right nor should it be considered one.

/P&N

I can't even begin to fathom the DEPRAVITY that would lead someone to advocate the above viewpoint. You represent everything that is morally sick and diseased in the USA today, imo.

So youre the "tolerant" Australian i've heard about eh?

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I hope I'm not alive to see that kind of socialist system in the US. Welfare, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc... are bad enough.

Don't forget all the corporate welfare.

I was not specific for a reason. So, you can take that part of your left-wing agenda and shove it.

Truth hurts doesn't it.

What truth?

Ignoring it won't make it any less true.

What the fvck are you talking about? When have I ever defended corporate welfare?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I hope she stays safe but I hope the goal of her walk fails miserably. Healthcare is not a right nor should it be considered one.

/P&N

I can't even begin to fathom the DEPRAVITY that would lead someone to advocate the above viewpoint. You represent everything that is morally sick and diseased in the USA today, imo.

people only deserve the health care they can pay for. this country was created on the premise that it's citizens would be able to enjoy freedoms of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, NOT free health care.

Incorrect. People deserve healthcare - full stop. They can't afford it? Then it is given to them - free of charge. yes, that's right, FREE OF CHARGE. Because that is what you do when you are a decent, civilised person living in a decent, civilised society.

A civilized society recognizes the rights of individuals to not be oppressed by the private concerns of others.

A civilised society taxes it's citizens, and puts those taxes to good use. A civilized society allows those who disagree with this system - such as yourself - to fvck off and die. Or alternatively, to relocate.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: aidanjm
BTW I am in agreement with your mother, yes OF COURSE health care should be a right. Fortunately I live in Australia, where you don't really need private health insurance, as the public health care system is excellent. I am amazed that you people in America seem to think that health care is some kind of luxury, only available to those that can afford it. My own view is that in a civilised society, health care is made available to all (even those with no money and no job).

If you can't get a job with medical insurance why is that my problem?

It's not about you. It's about what a civilised society decides is appropriate or desirable. It's only a matter of time before you get a socialised medicine in the usa.

LOL, we don't even consider Alabama civilized here in the states

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: aidanjm
BTW I am in agreement with your mother, yes OF COURSE health care should be a right. Fortunately I live in Australia, where you don't really need private health insurance, as the public health care system is excellent. I am amazed that you people in America seem to think that health care is some kind of luxury, only available to those that can afford it. My own view is that in a civilised society, health care is made available to all (even those with no money and no job).

If you can't get a job with medical insurance why is that my problem?

It's not about you. It's about what a civilised society decides is appropriate or desirable. It's only a matter of time before you get a socialised medicine in the usa.

LOL, we don't even consider Alabama civilized here in the states

nice...

 

[Cook1]

I hope she has a safe walk

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: aidanjm
BTW I am in agreement with your mother, yes OF COURSE health care should be a right. Fortunately I live in Australia, where you don't really need private health insurance, as the public health care system is excellent. I am amazed that you people in America seem to think that health care is some kind of luxury, only available to those that can afford it. My own view is that in a civilised society, health care is made available to all (even those with no money and no job).

If you can't get a job with medical insurance why is that my problem?

It's not about you. It's about what a civilised society decides is appropriate or desirable. It's only a matter of time before you get a socialised medicine in the usa.

LOL, we don't even consider Alabama civilized here in the states

Yeah, everyone in Alabama is toothless redneck married to their sister and have non-branching family trees.:disgust:

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I hope she stays safe but I hope the goal of her walk fails miserably. Healthcare is not a right nor should it be considered one.

/P&N

I can't even begin to fathom the DEPRAVITY that would lead someone to advocate the above viewpoint. You represent everything that is morally sick and diseased in the USA today, imo.

people only deserve the health care they can pay for. this country was created on the premise that it's citizens would be able to enjoy freedoms of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, NOT free health care.

Incorrect. People deserve healthcare - full stop. They can't afford it? Then it is given to them - free of charge. yes, that's right, FREE OF CHARGE. Because that is what you do when you are a decent, civilised person living in a decent, civilised society.

Other members of this "civilized" society you speak of may disagree and they can vote, and if they win, it won't happen.

 

[blustori]

Yeah Condi is too :roll:

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I hope I'm not alive to see that kind of socialist system in the US. Welfare, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc... are bad enough.

Don't forget all the corporate welfare.

I was not specific for a reason. So, you can take that part of your left-wing agenda and shove it.

Truth hurts doesn't it.

What truth?

Ignoring it won't make it any less true.

What the fvck are you talking about? When have I ever defended corporate welfare?

So you care to tell us your reason for excluding "corporate welfare" from your list?