My god microsoft shot themself with Forza Motorsport

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: AdamSnow

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: AdamSnow
I got Forza this morning... You will never guess where...

WALMART...

EBGames, BestBuy, no one has it... but Walmart has a whole shelf of it!! It was a nice surprise

I called wal-mart earlier .. they hadn't gotten it in yet, but they still had more to unload from the truck.

just called now ... they didn't get it in.

you suck.

I think your walmart sucks... This has to be the first time ever I've seen a game land in Canada before you guys get it... bunch of co-workers went at lunch to grab it as well

how about a review this evening?

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: bR
If some of you actually think a console game can get close to a simulation... well I don't know about that.

Actually I don't see why it can't. The physics of driving are complex but not endlessly so, and real-world F1 drivers use PC and console F1 racing games to brush up on the race circuits. I imagine if you hooked an Xbox with Forza or a PS2 with GT4 up to a 3-D simulation seat (a la a training flight simulator), you'd have one of, if not the most accurate driving simulators on earth.

Well I think most of the people claiming that this or that is better than this or that won't even be playing with the kind of setup that you were talking about. But I do agree that these two games probably aren't that far from each other either.

F355 Challenge for the Dreamcast and the PS2 was claimed to be realistic too since it was based off the arcade complete with H-gate and clutch, too bad no one ever noticed it.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Yeah dooode, i am teh downloding GT4 rite now becuse i am tooo chep and me gusta stealing. i am teh por bastard and i am prouioud i stel becase i am teh moron. if anoyne want games pm me bacause i hvae lots o games.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: psebas
yep , legally i cant .

But that doesn't mean that i dont have them.

If you want to be a sucker and pay for a game that is a crap, fine, that's up to you , as for me i will always download them before i buy them. ( if i have the chance )

And i wasn't talking about me, thank god that i can afford to buy pretty much whatever i want , and dont BS me because the guy that actually «makes» the game is propably the last guy that cares.

MY windows is legal, so as my office 2003, my photoshop, 3d studio max, nero etc etc etc,
and like i said if the game is good i will buy it.

And i dont make copies to loan/sell , like i said if i dont play the game no more them minutes what harm can that do????

Oh, and i'm really sorry that i offended your somehow wonderful brain because the way that you wrote , it is obvious that you are a major programmer who is on the road to unemployment cause of the evil pirates taht download your crappy software instead of buying it.

So uhh... you can afford the games, but the fact that other people can't is now the justification for your theft? :roll: Moron.

The guy that makes the game is the last guy to care if it gets stolen? YEAH RIGHT. It seems to me that you're the last guy that cares. It's not a matter of someone having or not having a job because 1 out of 10 people steal the game, it's a matter of having well over a year's worth of your hard work just taken from you by some punk who thinks that because a game sucks it should apparently be free. Just because you disagree with how things work again doesn't justify breaking the rules.

If you truly don't play the game if you think it sucks... why the hell would you keep it, douche?

 

[mzkhadir]

I buy all my xbox games and also my pcgames, before I used to download games to try them out and then buy, I got bored of doing that because there was not justification for me playing it, I spend money on a product, I will play it more. If I just get it, it will just sitting and gathering dust in a day or so.

 

[Justin218]

Burnout 3 is awesome. it's a car sim type of game like GT4 though. much much more arcadish.

 

[MustangSVT]

not that bad at all...

definatly not compairable to GT4, it feels more arcadish ... limited tracks and things to do..

but its not too bad. I didnt get that far in the game, but there seems to be no off road tracks?

 

[t3h l337 n3wb]

I seemed to have read the title as "My god, Microsoft, shot themself with Forza Motorsport" -_-;

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I played Forza quite a bit over the weekend. Initially I was not all that impressed, until I turned off traction control and stability control - this is the key to having fun with the game IMO. With these driver's aids enabled, the game feels very arcadey, and you really don't have a feel for the road. With them off, it's a completely different game.

I made the mistake (I think) of putting a Stage 3 turbo kit on my Mugen S2000, only to have to race it in a very technical hillclimb - it was a fun, challenging task to keep that thing on the road! I went on to do the same race in my prized Evo VIII FQ-330, and it was a piece of cake.

My current frustration is with my newly acquired Impreza STI-Spec C, which is incredibly quick, but has such awful understeer that I literally have a hard time turning it at all. Maybe I'll just go back to my wonderful Evo!

 

[BenSkywalker]

Currently have 70% complete on GT4 and 20% complete on Forza- there is no comparison- Forza destroys GT4 in pretty much every aspect.

First thing I wanted to mention was the visuals. Had one of my friends over the other day who is a huge GT4 fan and he wanted to check Forza out. Fired up the New York track that is also in GT4 and the first thing out of his mouth was- "Whoa, the graphics are way better then GT". GT is 'brighter' then Forza- it uses a lot of pictures for textures, but there is pretty much no depth to anything. Given how the games look, I suppose if you like the radio control simulator feel to racing games(above and behind your car camera setting) GT's visuals may be more appealing, but playing in first person where you see a lot more backgrounds I can't see how anyone can say that they are comparable.

Physics- GT4 is absolutely horrible in the physics department. It is 'Japanese' tuned physics for all of the vehicles. Hairpin turn in a Viper under full throttle produces understeer- embarassingly poor. All of the cars are tuned to handle like FWD or AWD setups, nothing properly represents RWD and in particular a ME/RWD setup. Forza is significantly better with a full range of vehicle dynamics.

Races- No Toyota Vitz required races. GT4 makes you race a bunch of races in cars noone would ever want to drive, and offers a huge selection of vehicles that noone would ever want to drive(at least, not in a racing capacity).

AI- Obviously GT4 makes the Atari2600 look like an AI beast. Forza may not be perfectly life like but it is several generations beyond GT4. Vehicles drop off the line without hesitation and they also make alterations to their ideal line depending on what vehicle they are driving- just like real racing(those in doubt check the LeMans circuit and see what different classes do differently).

Customization- Forza offers more, more realistic and more impactful. It also allows you to pause the game, tweak, and resume so you can get an immediate idea of how it worked. GT4 requires a minute or two of loading.

Overall I don't see much of a comparison, GT4 is no match for Forza. Perhaps GT5 will give Forza2 a run for its money, but right now there isn't much of a competition.

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Currently have 70% complete on GT4 and 20% complete on Forza- there is no comparison- Forza destroys GT4 in pretty much every aspect.

First thing I wanted to mention was the visuals. Had one of my friends over the other day who is a huge GT4 fan and he wanted to check Forza out. Fired up the New York track that is also in GT4 and the first thing out of his mouth was- "Whoa, the graphics are way better then GT". GT is 'brighter' then Forza- it uses a lot of pictures for textures, but there is pretty much no depth to anything. Given how the games look, I suppose if you like the radio control simulator feel to racing games(above and behind your car camera setting) GT's visuals may be more appealing, but playing in first person where you see a lot more backgrounds I can't see how anyone can say that they are comparable.

Physics- GT4 is absolutely horrible in the physics department. It is 'Japanese' tuned physics for all of the vehicles. Hairpin turn in a Viper under full throttle produces understeer- embarassingly poor. All of the cars are tuned to handle like FWD or AWD setups, nothing properly represents RWD and in particular a ME/RWD setup. Forza is significantly better with a full range of vehicle dynamics.

Races- No Toyota Vitz required races. GT4 makes you race a bunch of races in cars noone would ever want to drive, and offers a huge selection of vehicles that noone would ever want to drive(at least, not in a racing capacity).

AI- Obviously GT4 makes the Atari2600 look like an AI beast. Forza may not be perfectly life like but it is several generations beyond GT4. Vehicles drop off the line without hesitation and they also make alterations to their ideal line depending on what vehicle they are driving- just like real racing(those in doubt check the LeMans circuit and see what different classes do differently).

Customization- Forza offers more, more realistic and more impactful. It also allows you to pause the game, tweak, and resume so you can get an immediate idea of how it worked. GT4 requires a minute or two of loading.

Overall I don't see much of a comparison, GT4 is no match for Forza. Perhaps GT5 will give Forza2 a run for its money, but right now there isn't much of a competition.

First off I've read your Mr. Expert posts about GT4 in the software forum.

Second, I agree with you that GT4 AI blows and customization options are non-existent.

Third, did you turn off or dumb down the driving aids in GT4? I'm not talking about the arcade mode but for someone reason they stuck it in the setup screen and has to be done for every car you drive. I rented Forza and in this department I don't think they're too far from each other.

That said, with the hardware Forza is on you'd expect it to blow GT4 out of the water. But in my case, if I had either one already, it won't make me go out and buy the other.

 

[SniperWulf]

I rented forza this weekend and so far, i am partially dissappointed. here are my goods and bads after about 10 hours of play time.

Pros:
I like the level oc customization that you can do to each car.
Realistic engine swaps definately are a thumbs up.
I like how you can choose a home continent and those cars are a bit cheaper than those in other countries

Cons:
The physics suck and are too arcadish for my tastes.
The graphics are bland and lifeless, almost like they need to turn up Digital Vibrance <snicker>
Some of the engine sounds are more generic that those in GT4.

I'm sure it'll get better the more I play, and since I'm a racing nut I'll prolly buy it anyways. I feel that the game will be good in its own rite, but it is by no means the GT4 killer that the review and fanboiz made it out to be.

 

[SuperFreaky]

did you say the ps2 can do 720p or 1080i???

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: SniperWulf
I rented forza this weekend and so far, i am partially dissappointed. here are my goods and bads after about 10 hours of play time.

Cons:
The physics suck and are too arcadish for my tastes...

Are you using the default settings, or did you turn off such things as Traction Control? Did you enable the damage to affect performance?

 

[Alex]

Originally posted by: NFS4
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[RedRooster]

This is one of the best if not THE best(GPL and GP500 for PC were my former two favs) racing game I've ever played. It doesn't blow GT4 out of the water, but it certainly feels like it drives more realistically and there's much better AI to boot. Granted, I've only played GT4 for an hour or two, so the actual gameplay is all I got to really check out.
Online is fun, I thought my car sucked, but I went online and beat guys with souped up Skylines just because no one has a clue how to drive.
I'll go in bursts where I'll play the game every evening for a week for 4 hours a night after work. It really is an addictive game, but it's probably what GT4 players are feeling too. The online/scoreboards make up for the smaller number of cars/parts/tracks.
Just buy the game if you're on the fence and you own an XBox only.

 

[Argo]

I really liked Forza, don't know what you guys are talking about.

 

[jelkukipik]

Originally posted by: SuperFreaky
did you say the ps2 can do 720p or 1080i???

yop.GT4 is the only game i know tho that support 1080i

And there is not a lot of game in 480p and over.,,,unfortunatly

 

[darkswordsman17]

GT4 to me feels like an amalgamation of the first 3 games but with a new control scheme that takes the fun out of the game. Has the graphics of GT3, the mass of cars of GT2, and some of the feel of the first one. There's just something about it that doesn't feel right. I can't believe it took them what 3 years to make it.

Forza is more enjoyable, but still isn't as fun as GT2, or even GT3, IMO. I like being able to mess with the paint and decals. The tracks in Forza seem uninspired to me. I don't feel compelled to race them over and over again (has some of the same tracks as GT4, and I feel the same way about those tracks in GT4).

I like that Forza actually has Porsches and Ferraris, and that you can change more of the appearance of the cars (although I still think it needs to go further).

To me, the difficulty of both games is skewed. Forza seems to easy (with the exception of every once in a while the computer will on the last turn just ram me into a wall for some reason even though I haven't touched them the whole race...oh and this is on hard), and GT4 seems too difficult. The end races of the second level of races (I think there's amateur then maybe novice and then pro, so it'd be the novice races) I just couldn't beat them (I've tried numerous times, and I've never had a problem with the difficulty of GT3 or any other racing game for that matter). They either had faster cars that seemed to experience no tire wear or else my car would be faster but the tires would wear out so quickly that I'd be screwed.

Both have plenty of races to do, but I don't feel like actually racing most of them in either one. I don't know what it is, but both feel kinda tired and boring. It feels like I've already done this a thousand times in the other games (which I have) and doesn't feel new or fresh.