why not include bugs? theyre practically the same. invade your home, try to eat your food, leave crap and babies.
if life is so sacred, what elevates a rodent over an insect in this context?
if life is so sacred, what elevates a rodent over an insect in this context?
eits
Lifer
what does "repeadely" mean? you can't be more than 12 years old...
i call shens on this thread.
I hope your friend dies a very painful and slow death, soon. I really do. I want him to die. Seriously. Death by suffocation would be good for someone like him, although a bit too merciful.
I'm not concerned with whether or not animal cruelty like this will lead to serial killer behavior. All I know is that your friend is just another worthless lump of flesh (despite him being "human" and sentient) and I would like nothing more than to nail his feet to a wooden plank, give him a butcher's knife, and tell him if he doesn't use it to chop off his own fingers and eat them I will proceed to kill everything he has ever loved, or pull a Hannibal with a twist and let him watch and scream as I saw through his skull, expose his brain, and force him to eat it, bit by bit, raw.
I'm not concerned with whether or not animal cruelty like this will lead to serial killer behavior. All I know is that your friend is just another worthless lump of flesh (despite him being "human" and sentient) and I would like nothing more than to nail his feet to a wooden plank, give him a butcher's knife, and tell him if he doesn't use it to chop off his own fingers and eat them I will proceed to kill everything he has ever loved, or pull a Hannibal with a twist and let him watch and scream as I saw through his skull, expose his brain, and force him to eat it, bit by bit, raw.
It is rather funny to see people have such double standards on such issues...
For instance, killing animals for fun leads up to killing humans... Yet these same people will say "You can look, but not touch" Yet the precurser to cheating on your loved one is the same, it all starts small and seemingly innocent and progresses to much more...
My point? If people truly believe that killing animals leads to killing humans, then why don't they apply to all areas of life? Looking at porno and dreaming of someone that isn't your wife is just as diluted and wrong, because that too leads up to cheating on her... Right? Yet since most people are wicked and cheaters in their hearts, they would say rubbish and joke on with saying "I can look, not touch"... Yet again the precurser to such an action is to look... Same goes for hating your brother and causing strive, all unhealthy and will always lead to more unhealthy actions if it goes untreated, or fixed, rather. How long can you hate someone with a passion before taking it to action? How long can the hate fester before you take action? Why don't we all get our minds together and think rightly about people in our mind so that it never becomes an action. So a thought, reap an action. Sow good thoughts and good actions will result.
But back to the topic at hand, I find this person sick and inhumane. He has done wrong and should probably seek some help. I think it is a very unhealthy think to torture anything, whether it be Saddam or an innocent rodent. It isn't wrong to execute with justice, but it is wrong to torture. Everyone knows this, it is built into humanity.
Yet again, the golden rule is to treat others how you want to be treated, if the world lived like that, would there be any wickedness? No, there would not.
I think you should confront your friend and tell him that he needs some help. He needs to know what he did was wrong and you need to tell him! Be a good friend and bring him back into the realm of humanity.
For instance, killing animals for fun leads up to killing humans... Yet these same people will say "You can look, but not touch" Yet the precurser to cheating on your loved one is the same, it all starts small and seemingly innocent and progresses to much more...
My point? If people truly believe that killing animals leads to killing humans, then why don't they apply to all areas of life? Looking at porno and dreaming of someone that isn't your wife is just as diluted and wrong, because that too leads up to cheating on her... Right? Yet since most people are wicked and cheaters in their hearts, they would say rubbish and joke on with saying "I can look, not touch"... Yet again the precurser to such an action is to look... Same goes for hating your brother and causing strive, all unhealthy and will always lead to more unhealthy actions if it goes untreated, or fixed, rather. How long can you hate someone with a passion before taking it to action? How long can the hate fester before you take action? Why don't we all get our minds together and think rightly about people in our mind so that it never becomes an action. So a thought, reap an action. Sow good thoughts and good actions will result.
But back to the topic at hand, I find this person sick and inhumane. He has done wrong and should probably seek some help. I think it is a very unhealthy think to torture anything, whether it be Saddam or an innocent rodent. It isn't wrong to execute with justice, but it is wrong to torture. Everyone knows this, it is built into humanity.
Yet again, the golden rule is to treat others how you want to be treated, if the world lived like that, would there be any wickedness? No, there would not.
I think you should confront your friend and tell him that he needs some help. He needs to know what he did was wrong and you need to tell him! Be a good friend and bring him back into the realm of humanity.
saw that coming.
do humans come into your house and poop all over the place, have babies in the walls, and crawl into your cupboards chewing into your food? "in this context".
if so, they would fit the definition of pest, and you can lay out traps and deal with them accordingly.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Fine, include bugs. Killing the mouse isn't an issue. HOW he killed it - repeatedly bringing it to the verge of death and then allowing it to recover - for his own amusement is the problem.
I've killed plenty of animals... Last fall, in what I think would probably bother quite a few people, I killed 6 or 7 baby bunny rabbits. I got a bucket of warm water, and simply placed them in the bucket. Seemed to be pretty peaceful; a friend who also raises rabbits assured me that for the most part, it must seem to them like they're back in the womb (these were newborns). But, that was a lot less cruel than letting them crawl around in one of the rabbit cages, where they would certainly have died a much slower death. (2 litters born 1 day apart; neither mother was caring for the young - common for first litters with rabbits.)
However, in regard to the OP's friend, as Stan or Kyle on Southpark would say, "that's pretty fvcked up right there."
FallenHero
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i agree its pretty odd. but i think if the mouse had been a roach, and he was pulling off the legs one by one and poking it with needles then the responses in this thread would be completely different in regards to the critter and the friend.
In all fairness, he wasn't "justifying" anything. To justify an action means to condone it in some manner by excusing it. He didn't do that... he merely pointed out the flawed data (and it was pretty flawed, to be fair) posted earlier.
moshquerade
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noooooooo, don't go there. just because they are signs of him being a serial killer doesn't mean a thing.
Wow got a bunch of geniouses here... Its sick behavior hands down why even continue arguing about it?
It begs the question... have you ever partaken in or done anything like this?
Two more quick notes
1) It isn't the fact that he killed it that was wrong, it was the fact that he tried to make it suffer. He tried to give it pain, and then even worse, he got joy out of it! That is where the problem is. Have rodents? Set a mouse trap up, I have no problem. See a bug? Step on him. But pulling his legs off, trying to make him die in pain is peverted and rotten to the core. Again, it has nothing to do with killing, it has everything to do with torture.
2) Some people have said some really terrible things to the OP's friend. Like "Stab him in the lungs so he can't breathe" and so on... That is terrible! I question your state of mind as well then, not only his friend is sick, but you who wish to do the same thing are no better! Justice is great, but torture is wrong, whether the person is innocent or not.
1) It isn't the fact that he killed it that was wrong, it was the fact that he tried to make it suffer. He tried to give it pain, and then even worse, he got joy out of it! That is where the problem is. Have rodents? Set a mouse trap up, I have no problem. See a bug? Step on him. But pulling his legs off, trying to make him die in pain is peverted and rotten to the core. Again, it has nothing to do with killing, it has everything to do with torture.
2) Some people have said some really terrible things to the OP's friend. Like "Stab him in the lungs so he can't breathe" and so on... That is terrible! I question your state of mind as well then, not only his friend is sick, but you who wish to do the same thing are no better! Justice is great, but torture is wrong, whether the person is innocent or not.
Holy Cow, you need help. I cannot believe, this is far more terrible that what he did, for you have it already planned and would love to do this if you could get away with it... Shame on you.
WTH? Animals who do these things are simply doing it out of survival, without malicious intent. Plus they're small, and their impact is minimal. Plus they don't comprehend our world, and are doing it innocently. To them our houses are a safe haven from predators, a good place to raise a family, live their lives, etc.
They're pests by your definition. Great. People who break into other people's houses WITH malicious intent are pests, yet our society doesn't condone these people to death if it's for robbery or a misdemeaner. But by your definition innocent animals who are just trying to find a safe haven are worthy of being killed, not even bothered to be relocated, while people who enter your home for the sole purpose of robbing it should be forgiven from death because robbing is not criminal enough for the death penalty, while the actions of a few rodents are.
Your friend has some problems, hard to believe a grown man would be doing such juvenile things.
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