My friend got fired for a crappy reason

[d3n]

Originally posted by: Jeeebus
Calling the boss out on his hypocrisy = not a good idea.

That about sums it up.

 

[yuchai]

Originally posted by: pontifex
whats funny is that everyone on this forum is all "stand up for yourself" all the time and then this thread comes along and its like "whoa, no way, take it like a bitch"

Nobody is saying he should continue working for him. But he could have not said anything while looking for a new job, especially given his financial position.

Just step into the boss's shoes for a minute. What would you have done, especially if you don't have the chance to think through it (in a conversation)?

 

[elektrolokomotive]

Tactless comment FTL.

Maybe the boss should have fired himself.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: pontifex
whats funny is that everyone on this forum is all "stand up for yourself" all the time and then this thread comes along and its like "whoa, no way, take it like a bitch"

You must have missed my post.

 

[DrPizza]

Under the umbrella of OSHA? Call OSHA and tell them you were fired after voicing your concerns that the guy responsible for your safety was using drugs in the workplace. (I assume you're on ladders/scaffolding while cleaning chimneys...)

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Under the umbrella of OSHA? Call OSHA and tell them you were fired after voicing your concerns that the guy responsible for your safety was using drugs in the workplace. (I assume you're on ladders/scaffolding while cleaning chimneys...)

Payback's a bitch. :laugh:

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: AMCRambler

Originally posted by: dman
How hard is it to get into the chimney sweep business? Maybe your friend should incorporate and cut out the middle man.

He's got a certification and everything. The guy made sure they all got trained and certified which was pretty cool of him. However there are a lot of tools needed to do the jobs and my friend could not afford to purchase them nor is his credit good enough that he could start his own business. Not to mention he's currently without transportation.

Yeah...having that liability over his head (his boss) with no recourse to turn too in case the sh!t hit the fan was a bad idea. It's better that he left now instead of perhaps an accident in the future.

Hell, the guy could've felt fvking awful about it and didn't want to "sound like a little bitch," expressing his feelings and regret over putting a good friend/employee or whatever in danger, so he just created some distance instead of facing the truth:

that he's a fvkign douche bag.

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Under the umbrella of OSHA? Call OSHA and tell them you were fired after voicing your concerns that the guy responsible for your safety was using drugs in the workplace. (I assume you're on ladders/scaffolding while cleaning chimneys...)

Payback's a bitch. :laugh:

Seriously...that would be fvkign awesome.

 

[BillGates]

Moral of the story: Don't be a hippie stoner.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: BillGates
Moral of the story: Don't depend on a hippie stoner for your meal ticket.

adjusted for synergy

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Plainly put your friend screwed up! He got pissed that the boss(owner) bawled him out for something he didn't think he was responsible for, and so he jumps the guy for something he assumes the boss(owner) did contrary to his stated policies. This is a case of insubordination plain and simple and has nothing to do with the weed.

1. The owner of the company can do whatever the hell he wants including changing policy at a moments notice, or holding his employees to different rules than he applies to himself.
2. He can fire anybody, anytime for what ever reason he wishes.

Is the owner messed up? yeah. Is he an arse for handling it this way? probably. But the bottom line is he owns the company and your buddy crossed the line when he called him out like that.

And ROFL at the "found the warm pipe in his truck" line

On the other hand, the employee can bring it to anybody's attention that he likes, including the police and their customers.

There's nothing stopping him from getting fired, but there's nothing stopping him from getting revenge either. To make a long story short, blackmail is always an option.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Plainly put your friend screwed up! He got pissed that the boss(owner) bawled him out for something he didn't think he was responsible for, and so he jumps the guy for something he assumes the boss(owner) did contrary to his stated policies. This is a case of insubordination plain and simple and has nothing to do with the weed.

1. The owner of the company can do whatever the hell he wants including changing policy at a moments notice, or holding his employees to different rules than he applies to himself.
2. He can fire anybody, anytime for what ever reason he wishes.

Is the owner messed up? yeah. Is he an arse for handling it this way? probably. But the bottom line is he owns the company and your buddy crossed the line when he called him out like that.

And ROFL at the "found the warm pipe in his truck" line

On the other hand, the employee can bring it to anybody's attention that he likes, including the police and their customers.

There's nothing stopping him from getting fired, but there's nothing stopping him from getting revenge either.

Unless he gets concrete evidence, he's looking at a pretty serious libel & slander suit if his ex-employer gets wind of him spreading rumors.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Plainly put your friend screwed up! He got pissed that the boss(owner) bawled him out for something he didn't think he was responsible for, and so he jumps the guy for something he assumes the boss(owner) did contrary to his stated policies. This is a case of insubordination plain and simple and has nothing to do with the weed.

1. The owner of the company can do whatever the hell he wants including changing policy at a moments notice, or holding his employees to different rules than he applies to himself.
2. He can fire anybody, anytime for what ever reason he wishes.

Is the owner messed up? yeah. Is he an arse for handling it this way? probably. But the bottom line is he owns the company and your buddy crossed the line when he called him out like that.

And ROFL at the "found the warm pipe in his truck" line

On the other hand, the employee can bring it to anybody's attention that he likes, including the police and their customers.

There's nothing stopping him from getting fired, but there's nothing stopping him from getting revenge either.

Unless he gets concrete evidence, he's looking at a pretty serious libel & slander suit if his ex-employer gets wind of him spreading rumors.

Since it's true, how can it be libel or slander? Crap, all they'd have to do is take samples in the work truck.

 

[randomint]

pretty sh|tty reason to get fired. no-win situation like someone mentioned. when you are in on your boss's secret, it's pretty much a ticking time-bomb from there on. you are too much of a liability.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Plainly put your friend screwed up! He got pissed that the boss(owner) bawled him out for something he didn't think he was responsible for, and so he jumps the guy for something he assumes the boss(owner) did contrary to his stated policies. This is a case of insubordination plain and simple and has nothing to do with the weed.

1. The owner of the company can do whatever the hell he wants including changing policy at a moments notice, or holding his employees to different rules than he applies to himself.
2. He can fire anybody, anytime for what ever reason he wishes.

Is the owner messed up? yeah. Is he an arse for handling it this way? probably. But the bottom line is he owns the company and your buddy crossed the line when he called him out like that.

And ROFL at the "found the warm pipe in his truck" line

On the other hand, the employee can bring it to anybody's attention that he likes, including the police and their customers.

There's nothing stopping him from getting fired, but there's nothing stopping him from getting revenge either.

Unless he gets concrete evidence, he's looking at a pretty serious libel & slander suit if his ex-employer gets wind of him spreading rumors.

Since it's true, how can it be libel or slander? Crap, all they'd have to do is take samples in the work truck.

It's a matter of what can be proven true or false. It'd be a bad situation for both parties since there are multiple witnesses to both of them smoking pot. The biggest obstacle is the boss proving that it's false. With a good lawyer, he's got a great shot.

At the bare minimum, it's going to cost time and money for his friend. Since the boss can probably have a crew run without him, I'm assuming it's going to hurt his friend more than it's going to hurt the boss.

And as far as it being absolutely true, the friend doesn't know that. Who knows if the other tech was the one using the boss' weed pipe?

Also, for a libel/slander suit to be successful, it must be proven that the false statement was made without reasonable care as to whether the statement was true or false. Since this would be retaliatory for firing, that adds something else to the mix.

 

[db]

Like p!ssing in the water you drink. Your friend screwed up--boss can fire you for any reason or none at all, b/c he's the boss.

 

[bwatson283]

He was F'd the moment he saw it at the party.

Dont mix work with pleasure. I TRY to avoid company parties unless hosted by HR/PR.

 

[her209]

Sleep with his wife!

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
......but he proceeded to blame them for it. Later on, my friend found the bosses weed pipe, still warm, in the truck. Apparently boss man had smoked up on the job and it was screwing up his work. My friend, rightly teed off, brings up the whole no drugs on the job policy in a friendly manner with el jefe. El jefe proceeds to yell at him and then tell him he's fired.

what, was he lighting it with a blowtorch? that makes no sense that the pipe was "still warm".

either you see someone smoke or you don't. i would've fired him too.

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: Amused
The real question here is, why on earth would your friend WANT to work for a guy like that?

He should be thankful he no longer works for him. I would be. In fact, I would have walked out the minute he started yelling at me.

Trust me folks, NEVER let anyone yell at you. Abuse only gets worse.

:thumbsup:

Works for me. The guy did him a favor IMO.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Simple.

A lot of people out there are small-minded and losing credibility to their subordinates is unacceptable. Boss had lost all credibility at this point, so he had to fire the guy.

Boss lost all credibility when he smoked pot with his employees.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Simple.

A lot of people out there are small-minded and losing credibility to their subordinates is unacceptable. Boss had lost all credibility at this point, so he had to fire the guy.

Boss lost all credibility when he smoked pot with his employees.

I can't argue with that, BUT, IMO, the guy got fired for a good reason...he did something stupid...Right or wrong, you can't call the boss for his bullsh*t like that and expect to keep your job, unless you're one of the top employees, and are nearly expendable...and even then, you're on thin ice...

 

[Wheezer]

It does not matter who you work for all bosses have a "do as I say, not as I do" policy to some degree. Is it fair? no. But then again life isn't always fair...get used to it.