My fix for global warming: outlaw personal autos in cities

[JS80]

I've said this for a long time but people on the left and the right try to stop it all the time. Waaah abortion is wrong, waaaah helping grandma die when she's in hardcore pain and struggling to breathe is wrong, waaaaaaah shooting yourself because you lost the baseball game is wrong.

People are stupid. Lower population is the best way to be wealthier. The same amount of resources over a smaller population = more shit for you.

You falsely assume the economy is a zero sum game and that wealth is derived from taking resources. My suggestion was a satirical one aimed at enviro-nazis.

 

[zsdersw]

When it comes to the significant and never-been-done-before transition away from oil, we have to remember that everyone's skin is in the game; both consumers and businesses depend on transportation and energy. The necessity of those things will be the mother of the inventions that make oil alternatives as ubiquitous and, eventually, as cheap.

 

[zephyrprime]

The average commute time here is 80 minutes and the highways are basically unusable 3pm - 8pm. During the weekends, every large mall and plaza and it's surrounding streets are also jammed. People that live in the burbs have to spend hours each day stressed and frustrated just so they can have a tiny private yard.

Dang. Where do you live?

 

[ShawnD1]

You falsely assume the economy is a zero sum game and that wealth is derived from taking resources.

Actually it sort of is a zero sum game...

Simple question and this is not a trick in any way. Which country has more oil and gas, Norway or USA? USA has more oil and gas. Which country has more people? USA has waaaaaay more people. Can you guess which country is super balls rich because of oil and which one needs to import oil and is not balls rich?
This trend is seen in every place that has lots of resources and very few people.

Norway, lots of oil per person, GDP/person is $88k (astoundingly high)
Alaska, lots of oil per person, median income is $64k (4th highest in the US)
Alberta, lots of oil per person, GDP/person was $75k (highest in Canada)

Having more resources than people turns a place from an importer to an exporter. Instead of importing oil like the US does, Canada and Norway are net exporters of oil. The only real difference between Canada and USA is population.

 

[desy]

Bravo you must be reading the links I'm providing Shawn esp regarding Norway and their ability to fund social programs
In this worlds economy you need to be an energy exporter If Canada would improve its efficiencies we'd have even more to export and less pollution. OPEC nations are having more and more trouble meeting export demand because they are now consuming their own product
IMO reducing emissions for all industry as well as personal transport should be the goal and not for the purpose of GHG emmisions but for pollution and efficiencies

 

[Elfear]

Terrible plan OP. I relish the few minutes of alone time I have in my short commute to work. I think I'd go buggy if I had to huddle in some sort of mass transit multiple times a day. Did that for a few years and it wasn't fun. And lugging 30-40lbs of groceries from the store, to the bus stop, to my lap, and then to my home sounds like a blast.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Question to the OP:

Do you drive a car? Do you live or work in a city?

If yes, I fully expect you to lead by example and stop driving. Now. If you won't, then you're nothing more than a hypocrite. "Do as I say, not as I do."

 

[glenn1]

Necro thread but had to do it.

UPDATE Jan 2015: Evidently our own Al Gore reads these forums and decided to run with my idea.

http://www.businessinsider.com/plan-...ut-cars-2015-1

 

[DCal430]

Doesn't work and can't work in many areas. I live a city with about 170,000 people, our public transportation is one of the worst. No only this bu probably 20 - 30% of the people here work in the downtown area of another city, how would they get to their work place. The two city public transportation are not connected.

 

[DCal430]

Necro thread but had to do it.

UPDATE Jan 2015: Evidently our own Al Gore reads these forums and decided to run with my idea.

http://www.businessinsider.com/plan-...ut-cars-2015-1

link failed

 

[glenn1]

link failed

Try this?

http://www.businessinsider.com/plan-to-spend-90-trillion-redesigning-cities-without-cars-2015-1

http://www.progressivestoday.com/al...ars-from-all-major-cities-in-the-world-video/

 

[alcoholbob]

How can this plan stop global warming when the U.S. is only outputting 7% of the world's CO2 emissions and per capita use of cars is so much lower in U.S. cities than in suburbs? This is like saying we're going to fight global arms trafficking by increasing gun control laws in U.S. metro areas.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So someone lives in a city. Their job requires they commute to where there is no access by public transportation. You going to pay their wages? Didn't think so.

 

[unokitty]

A Plan Is Floating Around Davos To Spend $90 Trillion Redesigning All The Cities So They Don't Need Cars

Hasn't President Obama said that the science is settled? Would he lie to you?

Isn't it obvious that only the politicians can save the planet?

And Al Gore only needs 90 trillion dollars of your money to save the planet.

How can you refuse the one man that created the Internet?

Uno

 

[michal1980]

just another liberal telling everyone how they should live, because they think they are smarter and better then you.

 

[nickqt]

A Plan Is Floating Around Davos To Spend $90 Trillion Redesigning All The Cities So They Don't Need Cars

Hasn't President Obama said that the science is settled? Would he lie to you?

Isn't it obvious that only the politicians can save the planet?

And Al Gore only needs 90 trillion dollars of your money to save the planet.

How can you refuse the one man that created the Internet?

Uno

You forgot the most damning accusation.

Al Gore is fat.

 

[Subyman]

City without roads would be pretty neat and would open up more real estate. Curious to see how they would do it with all public transport. Zip-lines between sky scrapers

 

[schmuckley]

Too much CO2.
I prefer my CO2 @ -70c

 

[Ronstang]

Outlaw liberals and the global warming crisis will be fixed.

 

[IGBT]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ear...e-scandal-of-fiddled-global-warming-data.html

Goddard shows how, in recent years, NOAA’s US Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) has been “adjusting” its record by replacing real temperatures with data “fabricated” by computer models. The effect of this has been to downgrade earlier temperatures and to exaggerate those from recent decades, to give the impression that the Earth has been warming up much more than is justified by the actual data.

 

[glenn1]

So someone lives in a city. Their job requires they commute to where there is no access by public transportation. You going to pay their wages? Didn't think so.

Let them eat solar power. Why do you hate the Earth so much and want poor people to drown when the icecaps melt?

 

[piasabird]

The whole world does not evolve around large cities. Maybe the real problem is cities are too large and need to be broken up and split apart. Everyone wants those high paying jobs and they have to get into the city from suburbs and outlying towns that might not even have train service. I know this is like a radical idea. If you live outside a city you build a large house for the price of a small apartment in the city.

 

[piasabird]

Did you know in some places in Africa and India the average family may be spending $16 a month to buy kerosene for their lamp?

 

[cabri]

City without roads would be pretty neat and would open up more real estate. Curious to see how they would do it with all public transport. Zip-lines between sky scrapers

Elevated people movers, like the moving sidewalks in airports. 4 ft wide strips with 4 increasing speeds - 3 mph for each speed level.

 

[johnwick]

Electrical Cars are the solution to global warming.