My first DWI of the year

[jlee]

Originally posted by: MetalMat
Does anybody here have a DWI anyways?

Anyone on ATOT? Yeah, a few..not sure who offhand.

 

[sdifox]

I don't drink so I am safe from the man

unlike this idiot

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Ca...01/09/7976311-sun.html

 

[FDF12389]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: FDF12389

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Give em hell copper!

I'm very anti-drunk driving and still believe that the laws in this country are far too lax on the subject.
1st offense should be 1 year in jail-5 years loss of license, unless they cause a fatal accident...then life in prison.
2nd offense should be 5 years in prison-lifetime loss of license, unless they cause a fatal accident...then life in prison.
3rd offense should be 20 years in prison...unless they cause a fatal accident...then life in prison.

i can agree with those penalties. IF they find a better way to do the test/bac, limits and what is a DUI.

it hink MADD has done far more damage to peoples lives then a few drunks on the road. they have pushed teh .08 (far to low and they are trying to get it even lower!) and stupid shit like having the keys on you while near/in the car is DUI (even if you are not the driver).

right now its not bad for the 1st one. you lose it for 6 months, have 2-5k fines, 1-2k lawyer fee, classees (impact panel etc), breath machine in car (+monthly fee for it) and some CS hours

the 2nd they nail you. but then again i feel after the 2nd DUI you shouldnt get to drive ever again.

Sorry but driving at all after drinking is stupid. Even if its .02. Dont do it period.

Should i also not drive if my crotch itches? I might get distracted if i need to scratch my junk. We should also get away with window controls, who the hell drives with their window down, all that wind distracting you, you could kill someone.

Not even close to being the same thing...

You're an idiot. 0.02 Is nothing, you are perfectly capable of operating your motor vehicle, plenty of other things impair you much much more.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: FDF12389


You're an idiot. 0.02 Is nothing, you are perfectly capable of operating your motor vehicle, plenty of other things impair you much much more.

QFT. At .02 you probably wouldn't even feel a tingle in your feet. We should do away with car stereos! Lots of people kill themselves changing the station every day!

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: MetalMat
Does anybody here have a DWI anyways?

Anyone on ATOT? Yeah, a few..not sure who offhand.

I was charged with one, but got it dropped.

Getting a DUI doesn't mean were driving drunk.

Driving drunk is stupid, but the DUI laws are stupider.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: MetalMat
Does anybody here have a DWI anyways?

Anyone on ATOT? Yeah, a few..not sure who offhand.

I was charged with one, but got it dropped.

Getting a DUI doesn't mean were driving drunk.

Driving drunk is stupid, but the DUI laws are stupider.

It means driving under the influence. People tend to think they're sober when they're really not..

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: JLee


It means driving under the influence.

It should mean that. But a cop can give you a DUI for sleeping in your car, or sitting outside in a parking lot. That is the part that is pretty fishy and stupid IMO.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: JLee


It means driving under the influence.

It should mean that. But a cop can give you a DUI for sleeping in your car, or sitting outside in a parking lot. That is the part that is pretty fishy and stupid IMO.

The definition of driving (here, anyway) includes being in physical control of a motor vehicle. If someone's sleeping in a car with the keys in the trunk, fine..on the side of the road with the keys in the ignition? Nope.

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: JLee


It means driving under the influence.

It should mean that. But a cop can give you a DUI for sleeping in your car, or sitting outside in a parking lot. That is the part that is pretty fishy and stupid IMO.

The definition of driving (here, anyway) includes being in physical control of a motor vehicle. If someone's sleeping in a car with the keys in the trunk, fine..on the side of the road with the keys in the ignition? Nope.

So when a mother leaves her 5 year old in the car with the key in the ignition is the 5 year old ever arrested for illegally operating a motor vehicle?

Obviously not. The "definition" of driving has nothing to do with it, drunk driving laws have just gone way too far and for any other situation using the same "definition" leads to ludicrous situations.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: JLee


It means driving under the influence.

It should mean that. But a cop can give you a DUI for sleeping in your car, or sitting outside in a parking lot. That is the part that is pretty fishy and stupid IMO.

The definition of driving (here, anyway) includes being in physical control of a motor vehicle. If someone's sleeping in a car with the keys in the trunk, fine..on the side of the road with the keys in the ignition? Nope.

So when a mother leaves her 5 year old in the car with the key in the ignition is the 5 year old ever arrested for illegally operating a motor vehicle?

Obviously not. The "definition" of driving has nothing to do with it, drunk driving laws have just gone way too far and for any other situation using the same "definition" leads to ludicrous situations.

Apples and oranges.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: JLee


It means driving under the influence.

It should mean that. But a cop can give you a DUI for sleeping in your car, or sitting outside in a parking lot. That is the part that is pretty fishy and stupid IMO.

The definition of driving (here, anyway) includes being in physical control of a motor vehicle. If someone's sleeping in a car with the keys in the trunk, fine..on the side of the road with the keys in the ignition? Nope.

So when a mother leaves her 5 year old in the car with the key in the ignition is the 5 year old ever arrested for illegally operating a motor vehicle?

Obviously not. The "definition" of driving has nothing to do with it, drunk driving laws have just gone way too far and for any other situation using the same "definition" leads to ludicrous situations.

Apples and oranges.

I agree. That is an absolutely moronic analogy.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan


I agree. That is an absolutely moronic analogy.

It is, but its the situation that lawmakers have put police in. Here in MI, if the keys are anywhere in the passenger part of the vehicle you are in control of the car. Does that mean that a cop WILL give you a DUI if you are parked in your friend's driveway sleeping one off? I don't know. CAN he? Yep.


I still say the best answer is zero tolerance. If you have anything more than one drink, you shouldn't be allowed to drive. This would cut out all confusion and make things black or white. I believe the reason that we haven't seen more DUI laws reformed is that the counties/states are counting on the fines for their budget.

I am saying this as someone who has been on the wrong end of 3 DUIs. The majority of the people who are getting the DUI's have no way of telling what their BAC is and they damn sure don't have a pocket guide with how many drinks an hour/ what alcohol content said drinks should have/time until their body processes the alcohol...

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: NSFW
Also...do you nef from your patrol car?

that's SOP for most cops I know.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan


I agree. That is an absolutely moronic analogy.

It is, but its the situation that lawmakers have put police in. Here in MI, if the keys are anywhere in the passenger part of the vehicle you are in control of the car. Does that mean that a cop WILL give you a DUI if you are parked in your friend's driveway sleeping one off? I don't know. CAN he? Yep.


I still say the best answer is zero tolerance. If you have anything more than one drink, you shouldn't be allowed to drive. This would cut out all confusion and make things black or white. I believe the reason that we haven't seen more DUI laws reformed is that the counties/states are counting on the fines for their budget.

I am saying this as someone who has been on the wrong end of 3 DUIs. The majority of the people who are getting the DUI's have no way of telling what their BAC is and they damn sure don't have a pocket guide with how many drinks an hour/ what alcohol content said drinks should have/time until their body processes the alcohol...

IIRC, there was an instance around here where someone was found sleeping in his car (intoxicated), wasn't arrested, was told not to drive, drove, was arrested, then the officer was spoken to for not arresting him in the first place..so you can't really blame the street-level cop, either..

 

[911paramedic]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan


I agree. That is an absolutely moronic analogy.

It is, but its the situation that lawmakers have put police in. Here in MI, if the keys are anywhere in the passenger part of the vehicle you are in control of the car. Does that mean that a cop WILL give you a DUI if you are parked in your friend's driveway sleeping one off? I don't know. CAN he? Yep.


I still say the best answer is zero tolerance. If you have anything more than one drink, you shouldn't be allowed to drive. This would cut out all confusion and make things black or white. I believe the reason that we haven't seen more DUI laws reformed is that the counties/states are counting on the fines for their budget.

I am saying this as someone who has been on the wrong end of 3 DUIs. The majority of the people who are getting the DUI's have no way of telling what their BAC is and they damn sure don't have a pocket guide with how many drinks an hour/ what alcohol content said drinks should have/time until their body processes the alcohol...

IIRC, there was an instance around here where someone was found sleeping in his car (intoxicated), wasn't arrested, was told not to drive, drove, was arrested, then the officer was spoken to for not arresting him in the first place..so you can't really blame the street-level cop, either..

When I was working night shift we would come across them all the time, either stopped (and passed out) at a stoplight, or about 100' from the intersection. We would reach in, turn the car off (which was always running) and remove the keys. Then call the police from that area of the city.

Trust me, they ALWAYS got arrested. Once the guy even had a beer bottle between his legs when I went to turn his car off.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: JLee


IIRC, there was an instance around here where someone was found sleeping in his car (intoxicated), wasn't arrested, was told not to drive, drove, was arrested, then the officer was spoken to for not arresting him in the first place..so you can't really blame the street-level cop, either..

And I don't blame them. I tried to make it clear that I think the cops are put in a bad situation by all this.

Zero tolerance, black and white. Make DUI's felonies with mandatory jail time.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan


I agree. That is an absolutely moronic analogy.

It is, but its the situation that lawmakers have put police in. Here in MI, if the keys are anywhere in the passenger part of the vehicle you are in control of the car. Does that mean that a cop WILL give you a DUI if you are parked in your friend's driveway sleeping one off? I don't know. CAN he? Yep.


I still say the best answer is zero tolerance. If you have anything more than one drink, you shouldn't be allowed to drive. This would cut out all confusion and make things black or white. I believe the reason that we haven't seen more DUI laws reformed is that the counties/states are counting on the fines for their budget.

I am saying this as someone who has been on the wrong end of 3 DUIs. The majority of the people who are getting the DUI's have no way of telling what their BAC is and they damn sure don't have a pocket guide with how many drinks an hour/ what alcohol content said drinks should have/time until their body processes the alcohol...

IIRC, there was an instance around here where someone was found sleeping in his car (intoxicated), wasn't arrested, was told not to drive, drove, was arrested, then the officer was spoken to for not arresting him in the first place..so you can't really blame the street-level cop, either..

When I was working night shift we would come across them all the time, either stopped (and passed out) at a stoplight, or about 100' from the intersection. We would reach in, turn the car off (which was always running) and remove the keys. Then call the police from that area of the city.

Trust me, they ALWAYS got arrested. Once the guy even had a beer bottle between his legs when I went to turn his car off.

Finding them passed out on the street while attempting to drive is one thing. Finding them deliberately sleeping in a parking lot while drunk is another. The law allows for me to arrest either person for DUI, although the punishments for both can differ. However, this lawsuit happy society has put me in the position of "Do I want to get sued for doing the right thing and letting this drunk in the parking lot go?" Not a good place to be.