My challenge: find a factually incorrect news piece from Fox!

[robphelan]

i haven't read through the whole thread, so i hope this hasn't been posted.

this is the funniest thing I've read in weeks.

taken from a looong, but very humorous, article.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>While there may be a considerable measure of Schadenfreude involved in tuning in to, say, The O'Reilly Factor, it's hard to overlook the fact that he influences millions of people nearly every day. Indeed, watching Fox can be a little like watching Jeopardy! During kids' week. Even if you know more than they do -- and you probably will -- it's hard to feel good about yourself for the experience.</end quote></div>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>If your local weatherman dressed up as a Viking every day, called himself Hjørt Bjornsen, and told you there was a 60 percent chance of snow flurries and a 30 percent chance that Thor would rain fire and canned hummus from the sky during midmorning rush hour -- all the while claiming he absolutely was not dressed as a Viking -- eventually it would stop being cute. That's essentially what it feels like to be sane and reasonably intelligent and tuned in to Fox News. </end quote></div>

EDIT:

The "but, but Rather .. " crowd is ignoring the fact that Rather resigned/was forced out at CBS while these other yahoos are still working at fnc

that is what accountability is called. he made a mistake. he paid the price.

 

[laketrout]

And you're ignoring Lou Dobbs and his "fact" about 7,000 cases of leprosy in the US in the last three years and then refusing to admit to being wrong on 60 minutes. And what about Larry King not knowing who Ringo Starr was when he was on his show then bumping Michael Moore so he could interview Paris Hilton? And Daily Kos is calling MSNBC worse than Fox here:
Kos None of them should call themselves news channels by this line of logic.

 

[SViscusi]

The case against Fox News isn't that they falsify the news, it's that they slant it and as was mentioned earlier in the thread blend the news position with opinion.

A few years ago one of the non partisan research centers (Pew maybe) did a study and found that Fox News presented opinions about stories far more often than CNN or MSNBC. And it's a crap shoot whether that opinion is based in fact or not.

A perfect example is last week Fox did a segment on the Israel Palestine situation. The first problem was that they had a extreme right-wing guest on as an expert without a partisan from the other side. The second problem was that the anchor, E.D. Hill, took the time to do one of Fox's favorite sports and bash Jimmy Carter for not doing anything about the mid east while he was president. The problem was she's not smart enough to know about the Camp David accords.

That is Fox in a nutshell. Heavy on bashing Democrats and Liberals yet filled with half truths and lies.

 

[laketrout]

You can call their presentation slanting if you want but the truth is that there are more Democrats watching Fox than there are watching CNN or MSNBC. And when it comes to slants in the news the liberal slant out there is far more widespread - MSNBC just had an interesting story about how much more people in the media donate to left (you can see it here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485/). You can come up with case after case of individuals at news organizations reporting with a bias - even PBS got a ton of flack last week for having Frank Luntz on after their debate.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
This is how debating SHOULD be.

Yes, thanks to all those putting the radical righties back down from where they came. :thumbsup:

 

[TallBill]

That was easy.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2...0,OfficersShot,00.html

A 15-year-old boy used a World War II-era sniper rifle...

A M1 Garand is far from a sniper rifle. Thats about equal to saying that a speeding Taurus is a Race Car. Fox news regularly makes any story involving a firearm sound more evil. I can probably find more but thats the latest one that I noticed.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: SViscusi
The case against Fox News isn't that they falsify the news, it's that they slant it and as was mentioned earlier in the thread blend the news position with opinion.

A few years ago one of the non partisan research centers (Pew maybe) did a study and found that Fox News presented opinions about stories far more often than CNN or MSNBC. And it's a crap shoot whether that opinion is based in fact or not.

A perfect example is last week Fox did a segment on the Israel Palestine situation. The first problem was that they had a extreme right-wing guest on as an expert without a partisan from the other side. The second problem was that the anchor, E.D. Hill, took the time to do one of Fox's favorite sports and bash Jimmy Carter for not doing anything about the mid east while he was president. The problem was she's not smart enough to know about the Camp David accords.

That is Fox in a nutshell. Heavy on bashing Democrats and Liberals yet filled with half truths and lies.

In a nutshell, CNN does the opposite. In my network control center where I work we have CNN on 24x7. I can tell you CNN bashes GOP and the prez as much as Fox bashes Dems. But like I've said, it's balance and perspective. Doesnt make the news false per se, just reported differently. Two opposing sides CAN both be correct. Which is what I've also said.

 

[Skotty]

Any person or organization that openly proclaims they are "fair and balanced" without a shadow of a doubt is most definitely NOT fair and balanced. I don't think they are lying about that, however. I think they probably really believe that they are fair and balanced. And that is why I don't like them. Unless they really are just lying. In which case, I still don't like them.

 

[ayabe]

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Here's a nice one:

LEWISTON, Maine --A school administrator who says he was ridiculed and harassed based on a bogus news story is suing.

Lewiston School Superintendent Leon Levesque is seeking $75,000 in federal court in Portland to deter what his attorney Bernard J. Kubetz characterized as irresponsible reporting by Fox News Channel.

The parody, on a Web site called Associated Content.com, was of the school district's response to a prank in April at Lewiston Middle School. Levesque suspended a pupil for tossing a ham bone on a table occupied by Somali students, knowing the Muslims would be offended. Muslims consider pork unclean.

The lawsuit contends that Fox reported the parody as fact on its "Fox and Friends" show on April 23. The show's anchors repeated a comment attributed to Levesque, that "These children have got to learn that ham is not a toy," and that there was an effort afoot to create an "anti-ham response plan."

A Fox and Friends anchor even assured viewers they were "not making this up," according to the lawsuit.

"It appears to me that Fox News acted in a grossly irresponsible way and took some information that was really not very plausible, did not do any substantial fact-checking, and put it out as hard news," Kubetz said.

Levesque said he was overwhelmed for days with phone calls and hate mail, including threatening calls to his home.

Fox did a brief on-air retraction, but Levesque called it unsatisfactory. A Fox News spokesman in New York said the company does not comment on pending lawsuits.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: DeeKnow
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: blackangst1
Mods: if this is somehow not allowed, go ahead and lock it. But...

Many of you accuse Fox news of being biased. Of course they are! Every news source is to some extent. But that doesnt make the news they present factually wrong. As I have stated in the thread from Deudalus, there are many sides to a news piece, all are correct. Depending on the source, only a slice of the story is presented. So, my challenge is this:

Find a story from Fox news that is factually incorrect. OReilly, Hannady/Coombs, Greta, etc dont count: they are O P I N I O N commentaries. I'm talking news.</end quote></div>

the fact that they call themselves a news channel ... now THAT is factually incorrect if anything is

I wouldn't have a problem with them if they called themselves a talk show...

LOL!

 

[Craig234]

It's worth revisirting the depth of the disengenuousness of Profjohn's posts here.

His version is that Bush awol is simply 'a liberal news team using a fake memo to lie about Bush'. Nice and neat end of story.

The facts are far different. How much clearer does he need the facts not to argue his partisan view?

- Bush has confessed that his intent was to evade service in Viet nam. In an interview, he admitted considering other outs: going to Canada or blowing out his eardrums with a shotgun.

- We know the system how he evaded service, how the squadron he was in was called tje 'Champagne Unit' because it was so filled with sons of the powerful Texas politicians keeping their sons out of danger while many of them voted for sending others to danger.

- We know about the weasel-worded denials that the Bushes didn't directly request the placement, and we how they did it with a middleman to the politician Barnes.

- We have a confession from the politician Barnes that it happened. We know how the Bushes paid him off by corruptly keeping the Texas State Lottery with a corrupt company GTech, who paid its lobbiest Barnes $23 million, even after Bush had campaigned on nt letting them keep it. The director of the state lottery who did it: Harriet Miers.

- When the middleman for the request was asked about it, he didn't deny it like almost anyone who didn't do it would; he said he'd be a fool to answer. A non-admission admission.

- ProfJohn's disengenuous includes his framing the issue as him faking a memo about Hillary, and if he can get anyone to say it's legit, then he's done the same thing - but what actually happens is that the secretary to the officer who purportedly wrote the memo, hardly "anyone", and someone with no apparent motive to lie, confirmed the memo was an accurate reflection of his position.

- We have a large cash award for anyone with proof of Bush being where he was supposed to be during a period of time, with no claims of the award.

- We have the fact that the first time drug testing was added to physicals, Bush violated his order to take his physical.

- While the news team was not as careful as they should have been, the memo was said to be such that it could not be confirmed a fake, or legitimate, by the multi-million dollar investigation by a former republican attorney general and a former head of AP.

- THe main story had all kinds of evidence not needing the memo. The memo was a side issuel, but the right lies that the whole story rested on the memo.

This issue is a very clear example of the right putting the partisan lie ahead of the facts.

 

[operaman1]

Leave for a year and it is still the same. The conservatives attempt to make intelligent arguments and the liberals say if you disagree wit us you are a duma$$ and not good enough to post here.

Hey Libs, keep up the stupidity. It is why you lose the majority of elections. Your arrogant, sheltered, self-centered, egotistic, elitist views get frowned on by the "common man" you perport to protect yet loath. Your candidates will continue to show there true colors before elections in their elitist views and lose time and time again.

But hey, that just means the majority of America is stupid and/or the Republicans bought the votes right?

Wow, just wow. The sad part is a vast majority of the posters here are people with IQ's through the roof. If we can get such drivel from the "highly intelligent" I shudder to think where America will be in a few more years...

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: operaman1
Leave for a year and it is still the same. The conservatives attempt to make intelligent arguments and the liberals say if you disagree wit us you are a duma$$ and not good enough to post here.

Hey Libs, keep up the stupidity. It is why you lose the majority of elections. Your arrogant, sheltered, self-centered, egotistic, elitist views get frowned on by the "common man" you perport to protect yet loath. Your candidates will continue to show there true colors before elections in their elitist views and lose time and time again.

But hey, that just means the majority of America is stupid and/or the Republicans bought the votes right?

Wow, just wow. The sad part is a vast majority of the posters here are people with IQ's through the roof. If we can get such drivel from the "highly intelligent" I shudder to think where America will be in a few more years...

Put down your pitchfork, Farmer Pete......

 

[operaman1]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Put down your pitchfork, Farmer Pete......

I rest my case. An insult. Funny thing is I am more of a "liberal" now, but disagree with the way you guys debate on this forum. You are rude and insult the opposing view constanly and barely ever argue facts when there are a TON to be had. BUT none of the Republicans on this board ever do name calling like you guys.

I had friends of mine here in Germany scour these boards just for grins. Based on you guys they pretty much think all Americans are morons. So I want to thank you all for putting such a good face on how the Euros view America. Thanks again...

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: operaman1

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Put down your pitchfork, Farmer Pete......

I rest my case. An insult. Funny thing is I am more of a "liberal" now, but disagree with the way you guys debate on this forum. You are rude and insult the opposing view constanly and barely ever argue facts when there are a TON to be had. BUT none of the Republicans on this board ever do name calling like you guys.

I had friends of mine here in Germany scour these boards just for grins. Based on you guys they pretty much think all Americans are morons. So I want to thank you all for putting such a good face on how the Euros view America. Thanks again...

Instead of adding to the topic, you come in here with a tear in your eye and bemoan the fates of the poor "conservatives," and to top it off - you insult those who may be "liberal" and believe yourself to be the "all knowing eye" that knows what's in the heart of "the common man."

Wag your condescending finger elsewhere....

Fact is that the OP posed a silly topic in the belief that he wouldn't be found wrong... He was.

as for your German friends, hey Rolf and Wolfgang - put Farmer Pete back in his box - and keep him in Germany....

thanks,

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: operaman1

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Put down your pitchfork, Farmer Pete......

I rest my case. An insult. Funny thing is I am more of a "liberal" now, but disagree with the way you guys debate on this forum. You are rude and insult the opposing view constanly and barely ever argue facts when there are a TON to be had. BUT none of the Republicans on this board ever do name calling like you guys.

I had friends of mine here in Germany scour these boards just for grins. Based on you guys they pretty much think all Americans are morons. So I want to thank you all for putting such a good face on how the Euros view America. Thanks again...

I could care less what the "Euros" think about us.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: operaman1

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Put down your pitchfork, Farmer Pete......

I rest my case. An insult. Funny thing is I am more of a "liberal" now, but disagree with the way you guys debate on this forum. You are rude and insult the opposing view constanly and barely ever argue facts when there are a TON to be had. BUT none of the Republicans on this board ever do name calling like you guys.

I had friends of mine here in Germany scour these boards just for grins. Based on you guys they pretty much think all Americans are morons. So I want to thank you all for putting such a good face on how the Euros view America. Thanks again...

Profjohn, BlackAngst, Pabster, Palehorse, JD50, Corbett, etc, are all right-leaning posters here who are far and away more intelligent than your little finger would ever be. JD50 for example is a very balanced and informed individual, who argues primarily on facts, not feelings. I don't agree with him all the time, but I have to admit he's reasonable. Most of the 'liberals' on here are the same way. There are a few wackos, but they exist in every country, Germany is somewhat infamous for having a certain fascist experiment a few decades back.

Come back and post when you have something intelligent to say, rather than (A)- waaaah, liberals are mean here!, and (B)- German people laugh @ jew! errm, German people laugh at j00!

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: operaman1
Leave for a year and it is still the same. The conservatives attempt to make intelligent arguments and the liberals say if you disagree wit us you are a duma$$ and not good enough to post here.

Hey Libs, keep up the stupidity. It is why you lose the majority of elections. Your arrogant, sheltered, self-centered, egotistic, elitist views get frowned on by the "common man" you perport to protect yet loath. Your candidates will continue to show there true colors before elections in their elitist views and lose time and time again.

But hey, that just means the majority of America is stupid and/or the Republicans bought the votes right?

Wow, just wow. The sad part is a vast majority of the posters here are people with IQ's through the roof. If we can get such drivel from the "highly intelligent" I shudder to think where America will be in a few more years...

I gots a great idea! Leave for another year. In fact, make it two. Come back in early '09 and I betcha you'll be singing a different tune.

"lose time and time again"
Um, it's only been about 7 months, dude. You forget already? On wait, you meant presidential candidates, didn't you. Yeah, 2 terms = "time and time again". :roll:

Gaard <------ arrogant, sheltered, self-centered, egotistic, elitist

 

[jonks]

doh

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: operaman1
Leave for a year and it is still the same. The conservatives attempt to make intelligent arguments and the liberals say if you disagree wit us you are a duma$$ and not good enough to post here.

Hey Libs, keep up the stupidity. It is why you lose the majority of elections. Your arrogant, sheltered, self-centered, egotistic, elitist views get frowned on by the "common man" you perport to protect yet loath. Your candidates will continue to show there true colors before elections in their elitist views and lose time and time again.

But hey, that just means the majority of America is stupid and/or the Republicans bought the votes right?

Wow, just wow. The sad part is a vast majority of the posters here are people with IQ's through the roof. If we can get such drivel from the "highly intelligent" I shudder to think where America will be in a few more years...

Hopefully short one less knee-jerk hit and run fanboi, here's your

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: operaman1
Leave for a year and it is still the same. The conservatives attempt to make intelligent arguments and the liberals say if you disagree wit us you are a duma$$ and not good enough to post here.

Hey Libs, keep up the stupidity. It is why you lose the majority of elections. Your arrogant, sheltered, self-centered, egotistic, elitist views get frowned on by the "common man" you perport to protect yet loath. Your candidates will continue to show there true colors before elections in their elitist views and lose time and time again.

But hey, that just means the majority of America is stupid and/or the Republicans bought the votes right?

Wow, just wow. The sad part is a vast majority of the posters here are people with IQ's through the roof. If we can get such drivel from the "highly intelligent" I shudder to think where America will be in a few more years...

Could someone please hit this guy with the irony bat? You can't accuse someone of egotism in the same sentence where you presume to speak for "the common man".

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: operaman1

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Put down your pitchfork, Farmer Pete......

I rest my case. An insult. Funny thing is I am more of a "liberal" now, but disagree with the way you guys debate on this forum. You are rude and insult the opposing view constanly and barely ever argue facts when there are a TON to be had. BUT none of the Republicans on this board ever do name calling like you guys.

I had friends of mine here in Germany scour these boards just for grins. Based on you guys they pretty much think all Americans are morons. So I want to thank you all for putting such a good face on how the Euros view America. Thanks again...

Your friends must really be geniuses to be able to create sweeping generalizations about 300 million people from the posts on some internet politics forum.

 

[blackllotus]

Back on topic: http://www.newshounds.us/

I don't know if that link contains any non-"opinion show" factual inaccuracies from Fox, but I also don't really care. I don't watch Fox.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

FACT, there is a lot of desert in Iraq.

Fox: Since there is a lot of desert in Iraq they obviously have a lot of places to hid WMD's in.

This is an actual story, facts and reporting, no arguing with the facts that there is a lot of desert in Iraq and no arguing that there are a lot of places to hide the WMD's in.

But the implication? Not that you'd ever care though, right?


This is what the war was built upon, implications, they MIGHT do this or that, they MIGHT have the means for doing this or that and the constant spewing of these "facts" are still confusing about 40% of the US population.

Sad part is that most of the government officials made claims as if they knew, not thought, but *knew* things and they are not held accountable for it.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: operaman1

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Put down your pitchfork, Farmer Pete......

I rest my case. An insult. Funny thing is I am more of a "liberal" now, but disagree with the way you guys debate on this forum. You are rude and insult the opposing view constanly and barely ever argue facts when there are a TON to be had. BUT none of the Republicans on this board ever do name calling like you guys.

I had friends of mine here in Germany scour these boards just for grins. Based on you guys they pretty much think all Americans are morons. So I want to thank you all for putting such a good face on how the Euros view America. Thanks again...

Profjohn, BlackAngst, Pabster, Palehorse, JD50, Corbett, etc, are all right-leaning posters here who are far and away more intelligent than your little finger would ever be. JD50 for example is a very balanced and informed individual, who argues primarily on facts, not feelings. I don't agree with him all the time, but I have to admit he's reasonable. Most of the 'liberals' on here are the same way. There are a few wackos, but they exist in every country, Germany is somewhat infamous for having a certain fascist experiment a few decades back.

Come back and post when you have something intelligent to say, rather than (A)- waaaah, liberals are mean here!, and (B)- German people laugh @ jew! errm, German people laugh at j00!

I tend to believe that people just google the information they want and ignore any information contrary to their views.