My benches so far. Adding GTX480 SLI benches.

[Tempered81]

Sorry Will. I know you're trying to take the focus of performance away and replace the seed of thought with Power/Heat and Noise levels, and that's really freaking cool and all...

rofl. Keys your sarcasm had me rolling right there. heheh.

Thanks.

 

[Attic]

Nicest, but probably too much work is the hardocp way. A graph showing the frame rate at any given time. One low minimum on the intro screen would mean little, but several drops at the best times can be deadly.

I've liked their approach as well and the guys at HardOcp are big gaming fans so I've come to trust their evaluations.


Grats on getting that card Keys and thanks for benchies, that's gotta take some time to put together.

 

[Keysplayr]

No I just felt that you are trying to minimize the negative aspects and trying to scream your lungs out that it's good for XYZ. I'm just trying to balance things out so that if someone reads whatever you said that they don't get a wrong idea and somehow think it's an awesome earth shattering product like what you said it would be last week.

Well maybe it's not earth shattering but earth melting is almost the same thing right?

Well, don't "feel" to often. It's steering you wrong. It's actually pretty funny, the incorrect notions you have about me. It's going to lead you to forum stalki...... oh wait....

 

[at80eighty]

this is all getting ridiculous now

 

[Qbah]

Perhaps once you're done with all the games, give a general % advantage in minimum, average and maximum FPS (I guess maximum is kinda useless)? I'm sure as long as you won't give the apparently big advantage in minimums as a leading "font size=36* number *it's OVER 9000!!1" with the average in a small "font size=4" somewhere near the bottom, people will appreciate it too (it's a joke, obviously the how, not the action ).

Though you have to be always ready for people judging you for "selecting nV-friendly games" or games that "ATi's driver team didn't optimize for yet". It's kinda obvious some will and you should understand why

 

[3DVagabond]

Those scores suck! All of them. Where's a 5970 when you need one, eh?

 

[Keysplayr]

Perhaps once you're done with all the games, give a general % advantage in minimum, average and maximum FPS (I guess maximum is kinda useless)? I'm sure as long as you won't give the apparently big advantage in minimums as a leading "font size=36* number *it's OVER 9000!!1" with the average in a small "font size=4" somewhere near the bottom, people will appreciate it too (it's a joke, obviously the how, not the action ).

Though you have to be always ready for people judging you for "selecting nV-friendly games" or games that "ATi's driver team didn't optimize for yet". It's kinda obvious some will and you should understand why

I didn't choose Nvidia friendly games. I chose the most DX11 games/benches I could get my hands on. Anandtech had Battlefield Bad Co. 2 in favor of ATI. I have no doubts I would have the same findings. Dirt2 however, was shown to favor NV.
So, the two DX11 games I have not done yet favor one for each. Dirt2 for NV and BFBC2 for ATI. Kind of even there.

Now, as far as my benches go, out of all these DX11 benches, the only thing the GTX480 was behind the 5870, was the minimum framerate in Alien Vs Predator. Another AMD sponsored game. Nvidia may just need to optimize better for it.

Someone who likes to do math, can you take all the minimum framerates and figure out the percentage difference? I could do it, but only after I have my coffee.

 

[Keysplayr]

this is all getting ridiculous now

Which part?

 

[Dark4ng3l]

Which part?

The part where you are ignoring the heat and noise questions(not just me Rubycon had similar questions) and the overclocking. Seriously we have tons of reviews that tested pretty much every game out there. What is lacking now is relative temps/noise if you tone down the fan, overclocked temps and overclocked benchmarks.

 

[MrK6]

The part where you are ignoring the heat and noise questions(not just me Rubycon had similar questions) and the overclocking. Seriously we have tons of reviews that tested pretty much every game out there. What is lacking now is relative temps/noise if you tone down the fan, overclocked temps and overclocked benchmarks.

That's not what NVIDIA is paying him to do. What the hell is wrong with you bringing those kinds of expectations in here.

 

[at80eighty]

The part where you are ignoring the heat and noise questions(not just me Rubycon had similar questions) and the overclocking. Seriously we have tons of reviews that tested pretty much every game out there. What is lacking now is relative temps/noise if you tone down the fan, overclocked temps and overclocked benchmarks.

sorry mate - I agree with your intention in principle to take a focus group member's opinion with a grain of salt & that's OK. but somewhere along the line youve just gone about the wrong way in approaching this. cool your jets a little is all im saying

 

[nismotigerwvu]

Keys,

Don't take this as a call out or try to twist it as anything more than it is, but why do you feel this is necessary to post. I assure you, anyone who visits the forums and would read through this post has already read Ryan's article on the main page. You only duplicated a fraction of the information he gave, and there is no way you really could do something of that scale anyways while maintaining a real job and the like. You already know your status as a focus group member is a lightning rod (thank rollo for that one) so what possible positive outcome did you really expect from this? It just seems like a big old pile of flame bait. I really hope this wasn't you intention, and I know running some benches on top notch hardware is really fun and the first thing you want to do is share, but think first man. Also, if you want to talk performance, you can't rule out heat, noise and power consumption as well. Just because these are weak point for the cards you prefer doesn't make them non-issues. Why not provide something beyond what we already have, why not take a digital camera and record videos of both cards running full load as to compare the sound levels? You seem like a smart enough guy, you've got some resources that we don't, why not use them in a productive way?

 

[Janooo]

Keys,
I have a question regarding STALKER.
AT shows the following:
16x10 - 5870: 53.8 __ 480: 59
19x12 - 5870: 42.8 __ 480: 47.7

Your numbers are:
16x10 - 5870: 47, 42, 45, 31 __ 480: 60, 62, 65, 42
19x12 - 5870: 38, 34, 36, 24 __ 480: 48, 50, 52, 34

So 480 scores magically more and 5870 by the same magic much less?
What's going on?
Thanks.

 

[Genx87]

The part where you are ignoring the heat and noise questions(not just me Rubycon had similar questions) and the overclocking. Seriously we have tons of reviews that tested pretty much every game out there. What is lacking now is relative temps/noise if you tone down the fan, overclocked temps and overclocked benchmarks.

Go buy one and do your own review in 2 weeks. We will all be waiting anxiously for your results.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

Go buy one and do your own review in 2 weeks. We will all be waiting anxiously for your results.

I have a feeling keys would have a problem with any review that I would write. He gets on for free he might as well test it to inform us about the things we haven't read about yet in most reviews. If he comes up with good number then they are good numbers.

I never said the thing is a terrible product. I don't think that anyone buying one is stupid or something(at least for MSRP anyways). But IMO it's far from an efficient product both in terms of energy and price. Availability remains to be seen but I expect it to be sold out at least until may-june.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Any chance to add for all (or only some games) what would be/are your playing game settings (I mean settings you would actually play and not just bench settings)?

 

[SirPauly]

Keys,
I have a question regarding STALKER.
AT shows the following:
16x10 - 5870: 53.8 __ 480: 59
19x12 - 5870: 42.8 __ 480: 47.7

Your numbers are:
16x10 - 5870: 47, 42, 45, 31 __ 480: 60, 62, 65, 42
19x12 - 5870: 38, 34, 36, 24 __ 480: 48, 50, 52, 34

So 480 scores magically more and 5870 by the same magic much less?
What's going on?
Thanks.

This site had some magic with God Rays enabled:

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1831&pageID=8802

 

[clok1966]

Now, as far as my benches go, out of all these DX11 benches, the only thing the GTX480 was behind the 5870, was the minimum framerate in Alien Vs Predator. Another AMD sponsored game.

Said the guy who gets Green products for free (sponsored, so to speak)

the avg performance increase is 10% (when you take all reviews and all averages and lump um) from ALL the reviews out, yet this one shows 15%-35%... Dont think you ment to skew it, but if compared to all the other review sites, it is. Now i certianly believe some camps like one card or the other and my fudge numbers or handpick games, but I dont think they all do (but i could certianly be wrong).


but thanks for the info, I cant say your right or wrong as i dont have one yet. In your case I would imagine its all correct, it just doenst match what otehrs have shown, but then no two systems are alike (software, up time, installed programs, etc..)

I really do thank you for the numbers even if I dont agree.

 

[Keysplayr]

Keys,
I have a question regarding STALKER.
AT shows the following:
16x10 - 5870: 53.8 __ 480: 59
19x12 - 5870: 42.8 __ 480: 47.7

Your numbers are:
16x10 - 5870: 47, 42, 45, 31 __ 480: 60, 62, 65, 42
19x12 - 5870: 38, 34, 36, 24 __ 480: 48, 50, 52, 34

So 480 scores magically more and 5870 by the same magic much less?
What's going on?
Thanks.

Oh, it's because I'm doing the tests, Janoo.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

Oh, it's because I'm doing the tests, Janoo.

No need to point that out as it really is obvious to everyone. Anyways I think its safe to say I no longer approve of this thread...

 

[McCartney]

What if you used a program to slow down the fan?
How much higher do the temps go?
Most GPU will run up to 120C before problems arise unless they are o/c or the vendor chose to raise clocks out the door for competitive edge and reduce the safety net, so to speak.

Rubycon, I love you

Sincerely McCartney

 

[Keysplayr]

Keys,

Don't take this as a call out or try to twist it as anything more than it is, but why do you feel this is necessary to post. I assure you, anyone who visits the forums and would read through this post has already read Ryan's article on the main page. You only duplicated a fraction of the information he gave, and there is no way you really could do something of that scale anyways while maintaining a real job and the like. You already know your status as a focus group member is a lightning rod (thank rollo for that one) so what possible positive outcome did you really expect from this? It just seems like a big old pile of flame bait. I really hope this wasn't you intention, and I know running some benches on top notch hardware is really fun and the first thing you want to do is share, but think first man. Also, if you want to talk performance, you can't rule out heat, noise and power consumption as well. Just because these are weak point for the cards you prefer doesn't make them non-issues. Why not provide something beyond what we already have, why not take a digital camera and record videos of both cards running full load as to compare the sound levels? You seem like a smart enough guy, you've got some resources that we don't, why not use them in a productive way?

Do you think if it were you, you would feel like doing what you suggest with the kind of comments you see from individuals in this thread? Sure, I have some resources, but my enthusiasm for sharing it has pretty much been extinguished. I mean, it took all my will just to do "this" many benches for AT. I could have done soooo much more, but what's the point really. It's fun for me, but not the constant bashing and being called a liar every 8.2 seconds. I don't think you'd like that very much either. So, I'm sorry.

 

[Keysplayr]

No need to point that out as it really is obvious to everyone. Anyways I think its safe to say I no longer approve of this thread...

Ok, sounds good. Now let all those who DO approve of this thread continue the conversation. You're disapproval is noted and I totally sympathize with your plight. Now forgive me, but I need to forward this text document I've been saving up, full of every quote addressed from you to me since we first knew each other existed, to the moderation.

I think they'll find something a bit peculiar.
Again, I'm sorry, but you leave me little choice.

 

[Janooo]

Oh, it's because I'm doing the tests, Janoo.

Please, explain. I want to understand what happened.
Thanks.

 

[Keysplayr]

Please, explain. I want to understand what happened.
Thanks.

If you're serious and not just playing around, sure, we could try to guess why.
But all we really need to do is compare my rig to the one AT used. Find any differences, that could explain why are results aren't identical, just as other sites are not identical to AT's.