My 2016 Prediction

[werepossum]

Dunno... I am sick to the puke point of both families (but especially the Bush family). I want dynamic young new leaders that are completely disconnected from the people who have held power for the last three decades.

Agreed, and we have that in the Pubbies this go 'round. But are they really different, or simply able to play different on TV?

And if they are different, is it different better? Cause you know that's not necessarily a given. Hell, Bernie Sanders is more different than any of the young Pubbies.

 

[werepossum]

One more thing about Bhengazi. Most of us were amply exposed to Hillary's emotional side during the Clinton era. Frankly it's not worse than her normal cold behavior. The only people who might be swayed are those too young to remember her as First Lady, and I doubt many of them would vote Republican given that the primary survivor will almost certainly be a Social Justice Warrior fighting for traditional values. Specifically those traditional values which make no sense unless you grew up taking them as rote parts of America. The GOP is much more likely to shoot itself in the foot with Bhengazi than to hit Hillary, in my opinion.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think it is going to be a lot closer than you Libs think.

I think you're whistling past the graveyard. On the issues, Repubs are all hat, no cattle.

It'll take base pandering to win the nomination & pretending they never said that to win the election.

 

[Jhhnn]

Maybe, but as Romney found out there are a lot more young and minority voters now, not to mention a lot more Americans on assistance. And where previously conservatives could rely on young people maturing, that doesn't make their social views more conservative, and the Pubbies' social views are way out of line with mainstream America. I suspect the reason we have so many contenders is this history, and probably Hillary as the opponent, but I think the Pubbies are in for a rude surprise if they are relying on the pendulum effect of the past.


Wow, how brave of a politician to promise to closely watch a controversial issue.

Heh. Bernie's pretty straight up, so he'll likely come out in support of legalization once he takes a close look at the actual numbers of CO legalization- crime, domestic violence, mental health, drugged driving, & you name it, not to mention revenue & tax paying jobs.

By all rational metrics, legalization is a winner. It's also a winner in the court of public opinion. The closest anybody can get on the other side is Rand Paul's mealy-mouth routine.

It's a glaring example of base Repubs' beliefs being way out of line with mainstream America, as you say.

 

[Jhhnn]

One more thing about Bhengazi. Most of us were amply exposed to Hillary's emotional side during the Clinton era. Frankly it's not worse than her normal cold behavior. The only people who might be swayed are those too young to remember her as First Lady, and I doubt many of them would vote Republican given that the primary survivor will almost certainly be a Social Justice Warrior fighting for traditional values. Specifically those traditional values which make no sense unless you grew up taking them as rote parts of America. The GOP is much more likely to shoot itself in the foot with Bhengazi than to hit Hillary, in my opinion.

Benghazi? Bring it on, losers.

It's like Grandpa Simpson yelling at the clouds.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Benghazi only resonates with people who would only vote for a Democrat through voting machine error. Anyone who was ever remotely considering Hillary could not possibly care less about Benghazi.

 

[bshole]

Agreed, and we have that in the Pubbies this go 'round. But are they really different, or simply able to play different on TV?

And if they are different, is it different better? Cause you know that's not necessarily a given. Hell, Bernie Sanders is more different than any of the young Pubbies.

Good point, Scott Walker is youngish and kind of new but I certainly would not like him as president.

To be honest I know next to nothing about the rest of the Republicans. I do know Ron Paul is an isolationist which is what I am, but I heard that some of his other ideas are nutty.

 

[soundforbjt]

Benghazi only resonates with people who would only vote for a Democrat through voting machine error. Anyone who was ever remotely considering Hillary could not possibly care less about Benghazi.

Whew, you almost said it three times, On the third time Issa appears.

 

[Jhhnn]

Benghazi only resonates with people who would only vote for a Democrat through voting machine error. Anyone who was ever remotely considering Hillary could not possibly care less about Benghazi.

Worse than that- anybody bringing up the subject is immediately dismissed as a twit, rightfully so.

Benghazi is mindfuck, always was.

 

[werepossum]

Good point, Scott Walker is youngish and kind of new but I certainly would not like him as president.

To be honest I know next to nothing about the rest of the Republicans. I do know Ron Paul is an isolationist which is what I am, but I heard that some of his other ideas are nutty.

Ron isn't running this time, and frankly has some racial issues that should disqualify him even if you like his platform. Rand (his son) is running and seems a pretty decent guy, but one never really knows how much is core difference and how much is taken on to stand out among the crowd. Personally I like Walker, like I like Romney, but I'm in a funny position - the GOP primary policy almost seems designed to convince me that the winner is someone I should not like.

Gary Johnson is the only candidate for whom I've had any real excitement since Reagan, and given that he has taken a job as CEO of a pot operation I'm pretty sure he's given up national politics. Sadly, the closest I come to excitement otherwise is people like Rand Paul and oddly, Fauxcahontas. Cautiously. Very, very cautiously.

Whew, you almost said it three times, On the third time Issa appears.

LMAO

And you do not want to be between him and a microphone or camera if that happens.

 

[werepossum]

Benghazi only resonates with people who would only vote for a Democrat through voting machine error. Anyone who was ever remotely considering Hillary could not possibly care less about Benghazi.

I wouldn't say that exactly. I'd say that anyone who cares about lies after the fact about Benghazi would never remote consider Hillary. Benghazi is a concern to me - how many times have we lost a US ambassador, or left one swinging with very minimal protection in the most dangerous cities in the world? (I assume there were reasons for denying more appropriate protection which those in charge felt worth the risk at the time.) What I don't care about is lies after the fact for political advantage. That is unfortunately the nature of the beast, and while I'd like to see it otherwise, Team Romney was lying just as hard on the other side. Politics is a turd without a clean end, and anyone who feels otherwise is simply fooling himself.

 

[Theb]

Whew, you almost said it three times, On the third time Issa appears.

Sure, but if you say it three more times Trey Gowdy appears and chases him away.

 

[soundforbjt]

I wouldn't say that exactly. I'd say that anyone who cares about lies after the fact about Benghazi would never remote consider Hillary. Benghazi is a concern to me - how many times have we lost a US ambassador, or left one swinging with very minimal protection in the most dangerous cities in the world? (I assume there were reasons for denying more appropriate protection which those in charge felt worth the risk at the time.) What I don't care about is lies after the fact for political advantage. That is unfortunately the nature of the beast, and while I'd like to see it otherwise, Team Romney was lying just as hard on the other side. Politics is a turd without a clean end, and anyone who feels otherwise is simply fooling himself.

Here's a list of U.S. diplomats killed on the job:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/05/us/us-diplomats-attacked/

 

[soundforbjt]

Sure, but if you say it three more times Trey Gowdy appears and chases him away.

:biggrin:

 

[Jhhnn]

I wouldn't say that exactly. I'd say that anyone who cares about lies after the fact about Benghazi would never remote consider Hillary. Benghazi is a concern to me - how many times have we lost a US ambassador, or left one swinging with very minimal protection in the most dangerous cities in the world? (I assume there were reasons for denying more appropriate protection which those in charge felt worth the risk at the time.) What I don't care about is lies after the fact for political advantage. That is unfortunately the nature of the beast, and while I'd like to see it otherwise, Team Romney was lying just as hard on the other side. Politics is a turd without a clean end, and anyone who feels otherwise is simply fooling himself.

Lies & innuendo after the fact for political advantage.... Romney started that, didn't he? The smirk on his face as he left the podium tells the story.

Any inaccurate statements made by the Admin at the time have been corrected & apologies made. Mostly, they spoke before they knew what happened. That certainly can't be said of the conspiracy theorists.

Standard trumped up Repub scandal & everybody knows it. Instead of saluting the courage & sacrifice of our diplomatic corps they demean it by trying to find somebody to blame.

 

[chowderhead]

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...-conservatives-he-stood-terri-schiavo-n378491
Jeb! stood with Terri Schiavo's parents.
I hope Jeb! runs on the platform of forcing a husband to keep his brain dead wife alive for political gains. Jeb! and former Senator Bill Frist should form a ticket. They can save the country billions of dollars in medical costs by diagnosing people via video tape. Jeb! is a religious, neocons (founding and signatory member of PNAC) and he will be George W. Bush on steroids.

 

[pcgeek11]

Nope, it is a fact. Hell, one of his foreign policy advisers is George W. Bush himself.

Follow the conversation.

Originally Posted by soundforbjt View Post
When you have nearly all the same mentors/advisors as George, it's about George as much as it is about Jeb.

I said that was his opinion.

Hint: Look at the Bolded, Underlined part.

 

[pcgeek11]

I am sure you assume the errors all go in your favor as well like a good little conservative.

Your claim: Hillary is the most dishonest.

Claim status: Demonstrably False.

That is my opinion, Yes.

I'm sure you will defend Hillary if she was found standing over a dead body covered in blood and a knife in her hand.

Carry on. It will not do any good.

 

[88keys]

Nobody outside the G.O.P. gives a shit about Benghazi and I can prove it.
You know what happened 2 months later? Obama was re-elected. Nobody cared then, nobody cares now, and nobody will care 14 months.

Whoever wins the DNC primary will be the next president. Bush 43's presidency was essentially the death knell for the G.O.P. as we know it and no republican stands a chance a gaining enough electoral votes to win the presidency in 2016.

The GOP still haven't learned that the evangelical war mongering bullshit doesn't work anymore.

 

[Indus]

Nobody outside the G.O.P. gives a shit about Benghazi and I can prove it.
You know what happened 2 months later? Obama was re-elected. Nobody cared then, nobody cares now, and nobody will care 14 months.

Whoever wins the DNC primary will be the next president. Bush 43's presidency was essentially the death knell for the G.O.P. as we know it and no republican stands a chance a gaining enough electoral votes to win the presidency in 2016.

The GOP still haven't learned that the evangelical war mongering bullshit doesn't work anymore.

Word. And the war on marriage equality and everyone's health insurance doesn't work either.

 

[Jhhnn]

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...-conservatives-he-stood-terri-schiavo-n378491
Jeb! stood with Terri Schiavo's parents.
I hope Jeb! runs on the platform of forcing a husband to keep his brain dead wife alive for political gains. Jeb! and former Senator Bill Frist should form a ticket. They can save the country billions of dollars in medical costs by diagnosing people via video tape. Jeb! is a religious, neocons (founding and signatory member of PNAC) and he will be George W. Bush on steroids.

It's likely that some of the other hopefuls participated in that brain dead charge to protect the brain dead. It's even more remarkable that they support measures that will leave sentient people dead, see no contradiction at all.

Cut! Cut! Cut!

Remember?

 

[sm625]

In a recent article Rand Paul used the phrase "arsenal of lobbyists". He is going after the tax code. That ought to be good for a 20% drop in primary votes. Because god forbid you find a primary voter who doesnt frickin worship our broken tax code. Its the only thing they love more than war. Another Rand Paul quote:

Today, the American people see the rot in the system that is degrading our economy day after day and want it to end.

Unfortunately, the next sentence was not "Republican primary voters are the rot in the system."