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My 2016 Prediction

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Hillary Clinton has more skeletons than Arlington Cemetery.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/2/liar/

57% thinks she is dishonest and untrustworthy.

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-honesty-perception-problem-2015-4

Quinnipiac University polls released Thursday.
"In head-to-head matchups, every Republican candidate effectively ties her in Colorado and almost all Republicans effectively tie her in Iowa."

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/05/...st-uninspiring-but-kind-of-favorably-overall/

Hillary gets a 37/61 on being “honest,” with 4 in 10 saying it doesn’t describe her at all. She gets a 44/53 on “inspiring,” and 44/54 on “likeable.”
 
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She is a huge liability. Unfortunately the Democrats have no other viable member. That blond haired Indian Lady ( Warren ) that isn't an Indian ( Native American ) at all. Ha!
 
pcgeek11 said:
Hillary Clinton has more skeletons than Arlington Cemetery.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/2/liar/

57% thinks she is dishonest and untrustworthy.

http://www.businessinsider.com/hilla...problem-2015-4

Quinnipiac University polls released Thursday.
"In head-to-head matchups, every Republican candidate effectively ties her in Colorado and almost all Republicans effectively tie her in Iowa."

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/05/0...rably-overall/

Hillary gets a 37/61 on being “honest,” with 4 in 10 saying it doesn’t describe her at all. She gets a 44/53 on “inspiring,” and 44/54 on “likeable.”
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You can spin what you say are facts anyway you wish! Hilary still wins it all!! Why?
Because the Republican have no viable candidate capable of beating Hilary or any other Democrat!!
 
Clinton may not be the Dem Candidate, although she is the front runner now. Sanders won't Win, but could very well set some of the issues that determines the results of the Election.

The Republicans have to climb a mountain to win. They could, but right now every one of their potential candidates is unelectable. I seriously doubt any of them will be able to escape the kind of nonsense they need to say to their Base when it comes time to appeal to the general Public. If they are to win, I suspect it will be a candidate that has yet to announce and whom won't pander to their crazy base.
 
Way too early for this analysis.
However... DO YOU WANT TO PLAY A GAME?
(Asked the little computer in the movie War Games)

Everyone knows it's going to be Jeb vs Hillary.
We all know that.
The press keeps referring to this as the battle of the dynasty's.
WRONG!
Another Bush would be a dynasty. Another Clinton would simply boil down to another Clinton.
Two does not make a dynasty. Three makes a dynasty.

The cool thing is how much Hillary is loved by the base, and a large number of women on the republican side as well. More than you think.
The debates against Burnie and the other guy will simply solidify her base and prove her the better candidate. If they want to play liberal, Hillary can play liberal as well as any of her democratic opponents.

As for the republicans, after the sifter removes all the chaff, Jeb will fall out into the bowl as their only realistic hope for going up against Hillary.
And once Jeb is ordained, and he will be, every republican will fall in line.
Hell... Once Jeb is ordained you'll think Jeb was the best thing since sliced bread according to republicans and Fox News.

I don't see a personal fight here between Jeb and Hillary.
Democrats will have their base, the same base that elected Obama, twice.
And Jeb will carry the white rednecks that bring a gun to church and believe the gays are taking over the world.

One thing is for sure in todays politics, people fully realize now how dirty politics works and the money involved.
And for republicans to rehash and drag out Hillary's old dirty laundry will not work this time. Voters will see right through it. The dirty politics. The dirty money that funds it.
In fact, that tactic will backfire big time for republicans.
Women, including many republican women, will simply chalk it up to old republican white men once again lambasting a poor defenseless female.

As for Jeb?
Well... Jeb's problem is his brothers past, and the republican party stuck in the 1950s.
American's do not want to hear about more American involvement in the middle east.
Or abortion rights. Or social issues like same sex marriage. Or immigration and fencing.
But that is all Jeb will have to talk about, because those that pull his strings and pay his campaign bills will demand exactly that mindset from Jeb.

Hillary is playing it very cool.
Almost as if she were better than everyone else, which she no doubt actually is.
Hillary is the smartest kid in the room.
Jeb will look sloppy, confused, and have to explain why he and his party are so out of touch.

Lets face it...
With nationwide marriage equality at our doorstep, and the national focus on women rights, democrats will fit the bill hands down for hopes of the average voter and their future.
While republicans will once again appear out dated, out of touch with the rest of society.
Supporting Hillary will be a no brainer.
And the real icing on the cake, Hillary support a no brainer for many republican women as well.
As much as some republicans might hate her, they will vote for her in the end.

All it takes for Hilary to win big, is for Bill to stand there on the sideline ready to give his wife a big hug after each and every rally.
You better believe it, the news media will be right there catching that photo.
And as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
And worth millions of votes too.
 
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JEDIYoda said:
You can spin what you say are facts anyway you wish! Hilary still wins it all!! Why?
Because the Republican have no viable candidate capable of beating Hilary or any other Democrat!!
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Yeah, OK. If you say so, it must be a fact.

All these polls are meaningless. They should have just asked you instead. Dip.
 
sandorski said:
Clinton may not be the Dem Candidate, although she is the front runner now. Sanders won't Win, but could very well set some of the issues that determines the results of the Election.

The Republicans have to climb a mountain to win. They could, but right now every one of their potential candidates is unelectable. I seriously doubt any of them will be able to escape the kind of nonsense they need to say to their Base when it comes time to appeal to the general Public. If they are to win, I suspect it will be a candidate that has yet to announce and whom won't pander to their crazy base.
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You're talking about Colbert's mythical "Rick Parry", the candidate who can't exist.

The closest Repubs could get was GWB in 2000. Now, after the fact, they have to practically disown the guy to maintain belief in the kind of governance he epitomized & the ideology he followed. None of the Repub hopefuls can possibly deviate much from that. They'll never climb the mountain carrying that baggage, but carry it they must.

Meanwhile, they're busily astroturfing FUD about Hillary, trying to see if they can bandwagon that into victory at the polls. Mostly, it'll keep the Faithful in the pews once America sees what Repubs are offering.

More trickledown economics with deregulated finance. What could go wrong?

More pugnacious foreign policy featuring wars on false pretenses & destabilization.

More scapegoating of the victims of 35 years of top down class warfare.

More deliberate crippling of the necessary functions of government.

More anti-labor legislation.

More prison industrial complex, preferably privatized.

More pandering to nativists while avoiding honest answers.

More war on women's rights.

More big money in politics, preferably anonymous.

More emotion. Less reason. More divisiveness.

Don't like Hillary? What reason would people have to like her less than that?
 
tweaker2 said:
Just out of curiosity for what the Dems really stand for in this day and age, I'd like to see a Sanders/Warren ticket emerge and go up against the most right wing ticket the Repubs can muster.

If the Sanders/Warren ticket wins, these two dyed in the wool Dems will then have a chance to prove if their liberal pedigrees are genuine, or if they too are as corporate owned as Clinton is. Given that the economy under a Sanders/Warren ticket is "probably" going to stay the course as it is at present, I'd really like to see how that plays out, especially if that administration goes after any free trade deals that the Obama admin. gets done beforehand.

If the Repubs win, I'd like to see them throw up a nation-wide effort that mimics what's going on in Kansas at the moment and prove (once and for all?) just what another classic Bush/Cheney type of right wing ideologically inspired economy is really capable of.
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I just made a donation to Sanders.
 
tweaker2 said:
With the right conditions available for exploitation, yes, the president does. Just ask Bush 43 and the neocons who played him like a champion poker player plays his cards. He took the country to war using 9/11 as a springboard to accomplish and agenda that had nothing to do with 9/11.

That's pretty good control of the country in my book. 😉
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He had to avenge the attempt on his father's life. It's all so 'Game of Thrones.' 9/11 was an unfortunate but convenient development used to sway opinion about Hussein. Massive lies and propaganda almost fooled me back then. It's strange how so much deceit led to such a rosy outcome. :colbert: Bring on the dragons!
 
bradly1101 said:
He had to avenge the attempt on his father's life. It's all so 'Game of Thrones.' 9/11 was an unfortunate but convenient development used to sway opinion about Hussein. Massive lies and propaganda almost fooled me back then. It's strange how so much deceit led to such a rosy outcome. :colbert: Bring on the dragons!
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I hope we've learned our lesson and the next time we suffer an attack or assassination attempt, we simply bomb the shit out of the country until the leader in question dies or flees, then sit back and let the country be run by whatever big chunk floats to the top. If their citizens want democracy, let 'em fight for it in the power vacuum. We did, without someone removing the king and breaking his stuff. If their citizens don't want democracy, then what do we care who runs the nation as long as they have learned not to fuck with us. Either way it's quicker, cleaner and a hell of a lot less costly in lives and treasure.
 
Jhhnn said:
More trickledown economics with deregulated finance. What could go wrong?

More pugnacious foreign policy featuring wars on false pretenses & destabilization.

More scapegoating of the victims of 35 years of top down class warfare.

More deliberate crippling of the necessary functions of government.

More anti-labor legislation.

More prison industrial complex, preferably privatized.

More pandering to nativists while avoiding honest answers.

More war on women's rights.

More big money in politics, preferably anonymous.

More emotion. Less reason. More divisiveness.
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I haven't heard any Republican Candidates say any of those Fallacies that you insist on proliferating. All of that is just made up BS.

I do however see how a lot of those items can be a perfect description of Hillary Clinton.
 
Indus said:
The polls still say she wins because the GOP dishonesty level after Bush and the last 6 years after that is 100% dishonesty.
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No, The Polls do not say that at all. At best the Polls say it is up for grabs. What about her Dishonesty rating in the " polls" 57% say she is Dishonest.
 
werepossum said:
I hope we've learned our lesson and the next time we suffer an attack or assassination attempt, we simply bomb the shit out of the country until the leader in question dies or flees, then sit back and let the country be run by whatever big chunk floats to the top. If their citizens want democracy, let 'em fight for it in the power vacuum. We did, without someone removing the king and breaking his stuff. If their citizens don't want democracy, then what do we care who runs the nation as long as they have learned not to fuck with us. Either way it's quicker, cleaner and a hell of a lot less costly in lives and treasure.
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Well stated!
 
pcgeek11 said:
Rolling Stone! How cute. Opinion piece at best.
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Yes, yes, I knew you were going to point that out first thing. However, the abundance of irrefutable historical facts that were brought up in that article are rather impossible to deny and uncomfortably obvious even to the most casual perusal by a conservatively minded reader don't ya think? 😉
 
tweaker2 said:
Yes, yes, I knew you were going to point that out first thing. However, the abundance of irrefutable historical facts that were brought up in that article are rather impossible to deny and uncomfortably obvious even to the most casual perusal by a conservatively minded reader don't ya think? 😉
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Facts don't matter to Teahadis. It's a faith based thing, ya know?

You'd do as well arguing this subject with the Pope-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation

Right wing Republican ideology becomes part of an adherent's beliefs the same way, by leap of faith.
 
Jhhnn said:
Facts don't matter to Teahadis. It's a faith based thing, ya know?

You'd do as well arguing this subject with the Pope-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation

Right wing Republican ideology becomes part of an adherent's beliefs the same way, by leap of faith.
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Thanks for that link. :thumbsup: The faith based commonalities between the conservative and religious ideologies are "mysteriously" uncanny to say the least. 😉
 
werepossum said:
I hope we've learned our lesson and the next time we suffer an attack or assassination attempt, we simply bomb the shit out of the country until the leader in question dies or flees, then sit back and let the country be run by whatever big chunk floats to the top. If their citizens want democracy, let 'em fight for it in the power vacuum. We did, without someone removing the king and breaking his stuff. If their citizens don't want democracy, then what do we care who runs the nation as long as they have learned not to fuck with us. Either way it's quicker, cleaner and a hell of a lot less costly in lives and treasure.
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Finally! The real reason for the invasion of Iraq! They tried to kill his Daddy!

They sure as Hell didn't attack us & the rest of it was lies.

Don't fuck with the Bush Daddy! We'll double the national debt to fuck you back!
 
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