muslum tolerence

[Steeplerot]

Condor, freakin mccarthy was a radical liberal to you. :roll:

Actually, I think Red Dawn is pretty moderate, Conjur is pretty tame, even Bbond is about as radical as your average new yorker I run into.

I think it's who you hang out with or the media you are watching or something.

Is it the vastly far right stuff on tv? That stuff is radical, borderline fascist, actually is straight up is.

News nowdays is a jerry springer show when it comes to politics, this is why so many people do not watch anymore.

When I quit the heroinbox donahue was big, I mean he at least had fair number of guests and kept it civil.

Just becasue something is reactionary does not make it reality based, life is not wwf and this iraq stuff on tv is nothing less then hype to pump you up into a bush worshipping frenzy so he can rob the nation blind -which he is.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: stateofbeasley
No. I prefer that you drop the snide bullsh!t.

Originally posted by: Condor
So you like your postings wordy and pedantic. Perhaps with loooonng explanations of what is communicated. Personally don't need the verbose BS when a few words express the concept.

Snide is pretty much when you already know what the other person in the debate is going to say and just don't want to get buried in refuteing massive and opionated details. Concise is the effort and that does come off as snide at times. When one or two words express the thought I am trying to communicate, why wax verbose? Of course, there are lots of posters here who simply attack anything not liberal. I guess I have learned from them and attack anything that smells of liberalism. The best defense is a fast and effective offense. It is a center for debate and everyone does not do debate the same. that would be so boring.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster
Indonesia has 178 million Muslims?

There is a percent of that population that are wacko.. probably less than 1%.

Tourist go to Indonesia all the time.

Too bad that less than 1% of the population are fanatical wackos who smile all the time and need to be punched in the jaw.

"Tourist go to Indonesia all the time. " And we have the body count to prove it. Should limit tourism to avid readers of Soldier of Fortune.

Yeah,

Time for people not to visit New York or Washington D.C.

It's all over for those cities.

Well the Muslims did kill people in both of those cities too. You're just asking for it when you visit Indonesia. What a hateful place.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Condor, freakin mccarthy was a radical liberal to you. :roll:

Actually, I think Red Dawn is pretty moderate, Conjur is pretty tame, even Bbond is about as radical as your average new yorker I run into.

I think it's who you hang out with or the media you are watching or something.

Is it the vastly far right stuff on tv? That stuff is radical, borderline fascist, actually is straight up is.

News nowdays is a jerry springer show when it comes to politics, this is why so many people do not watch anymore.

When I quit the heroinbox donahue was big, I mean he at least had fair number of guests and kept it civil.

Just becasue something is reactionary does not make it reality based, life is not wwf and this iraq stuff on tv is nothing less then hype to pump you up into a bush worshippinh frenzy so he can rob the nation blind -which he is.

Red Dawn can be moderate, but often isn't. I've only seen Conjur moderate some four times since I started posting. BBond is simply over the top.

"I think it's who you hang out with or the media you are watching or something." I agree wholly with that statement and the ones I hang out with politically are the posters here. I watch CNN, FOX, BBC, CBS, NBC, ABC. Pretty mixed bag there. I listen to a lot of BBC, Dutche Welle, CBC, etc for the world view. I even listen to the far left stuff on sat radio, etc. That reassures me of my sanity. Those folks are nuts!

I disagree with your politics and can't even imagine what put you where you are. I think we share that from opposite poles. I really can not understand how liberals can be so blind and from travel, reading, and lifes experiences, I know that they are. It is said that most conservatives are the older generation. I am and agree with that. Most of the liberals here will become more conservative as they experience life. The ones who are old and still liberal are just beyond my understanding. There are a few of those here as well. This is a forum for debate. There is no winning from the middle of the field. Most of the regulars here would probably be amazed if they met each other in real life and lived in the others shoes for a day. Rip visited the roost for a couple of days last Fall and was really not as fringe as he appeared here. It is sad that he was banned. He did get pretty stirred up on his pet topic, but that brought spectrum to the debate. That is why I like you here. I don't agree with you at all on most things, but you can really take a beating and come back. You have done it time after time. That is a very excellent trait. There are a couple who post here that make banning seem neccessary, but mostly it seems a waste and limits the debate. No, I will not para this! I wouldn't spend this much time on a reply for just anyone.

 

[Steeplerot]

When it comes down to it Condor, there are no liberals and conservatives, it goes back pretty far into our culture, you should know with your age there have always been hardliners and bleeding heart types. And that there is always a time for both views.

And yeah, I get asked pretty often in PM and from friends why I touch this forum with a 10ft pole with as much misundertanding and flaming I recieve, like I have said before though, there really isn't much talk here from a really progressive POV.

Kinda just same old democrat stuff, and I catch major flamage from them too, take nuke plants or gun control for example, I know I make the democrats in here just as mad sometimes as I annoy the reps. *shrug* Hell, I am sure Red Dawn hates seeing that green icon responding to him lol

Regardless I have put up with sh1tloads, given a ton of crap, dealt with countless character assasination, making fun of the way I dress etc.

That's life, anyhow, lay off the fauxnews, that stuff rots your brain.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
When it comes down to it Condor, there are no liberals and conservatives, it goes back pretty far into our culture, you should know with your age there have always been hardliners and bleeding heart types. And that there is always a time for both views.

And yeah, I get asked pretty often in PM and from friends why I touch this forum with a 10ft pole with as much misundertanding and flaming I recieve, like I have said before though, there really isn't much talk here from a really progressive POV.

Kinda just same old democrat stuff, and I catch major flamage from them too, take nuke plants or gun control for example, I know I make the democrats in here just as mad sometimes as I annoy the reps. *shrug* Hell, I am sure Red Dawn hates seeing that green icon responding to him lol

Regardless I have put up with sh1tloads, given a ton of crap, dealt with countless character assasination, making fun of the way I dress etc.

That's life, anyhow, lay off the fauxnews, that stuff rots your brain.

:beer: Keep hanging in there. It's all in the name of good entertainment. Just know that when we are at each others throats, it's with respect.

 

[Steeplerot]

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[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
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Deleted? Why? No one has to strictly stay on cue here. You have to remember Steep that some here refer to me as a neocon!

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice

Originally posted by: arsbanned
If you wouldn't "presume to judge all muslums (sic) by such things", then why does your topic title indicate you are judging all Muslims by such acts?
There are wack jobs in every religion. I do thing we've got a challenge in dealing with Muslim extremism at the moment, but at the same time, not all Muslims support this garbage.

He said it seems not it is. Of course, I don't know what your definition of is is.

edited to add:

As far as "wack jobs" I agree. Now, tell me how many Muslim leaders have denounce the terrorist attacks around the world and the mutilation of innocent humans?

Probably about as many Christians who have denounced the death and destruction being waged in Iraq by the U.S., Abu Ghraib, secret prisons, use of White Phosphorus, and other such acts.

Maybe they are too scared to speak out against such atrocites. That should get your attention, but probably not.

Actually, I have expressed the opinion in here that every major Muslim in the World make blanket Fatwas categorically denouncing terrorist acts targetting civilians.

Maybe they fully support it. That should get your attention, but probably not.

I don't think they speak out too loudly because of years of suffering by many muslims around the World while the U.S. either turns a blind eye or actively causes it. But yeah, it bothers me. I just think they feel there's no other way.

Thus, we don't know for sure and thus their use of the word "seems". Unfortunately all too many SEEM to want to keep the covers pulled over their head and hope the bad guys go away. Worse, they want to lash out so they lash out against those who won't attack back, thus helping the enemy.

Wrong again. How can someone be wrong so many times in one post? I was for attacking the training camps in Afghanistan long before we finally did it and wanted to see us finish that job. Instead Bush pushes us into a war based on lies, disinformation and doctored intelligence, thereby speeding up the process of terror recruiters. The Republicans have put the U.S. in a FAR worse position by squandering the good will of the International community with their failed war.

 

[piasabird]

tollerance is always a one way road. The concept of tolerance says we have to put aside our own standards and accept other people who are incapable of our lowest acceptable standard. I will never accept the standard of killing people because they disagree with you. Many muslims are more than willing to accept this when non-muslims are being killed. This is a very severe problem. This means many muslims do not believe in the most important Ideal in the US Constitution; the right to freedom of religion.

 

[Rainsford]

Indonesia has about 2000 murders per year. Each of those murders happened for some reason, probably not a good one. So why pick out these particular attacks to get our collective panties in a wad about? I don't mean to make light of religiously motivated killings, but why can we extrapolate the murderers in THIS case to represent "many Muslims" if we dont' do the same thing in the rest of the murder cases? As far as I can see, there is nothing special about religiously motivated killings that would make this any more true. Indonesia, as the article stated, is majority Muslim. That means that the majority of those 2000 murders per year were probably committed by Muslims. Now why when a Muslim, say, shoots a man during a holdup, he's just a random criminal, but if he shoots a Christian, all Muslims are intolerant?

Now that doesn't mean religiously motivated killings aren't a problem, clearly they are. But maybe we should think a little harder about using the actions of a few to paint an entire religious group as intolerant murderers. We seem smart enough not to do that most of the time, but as usual, as soon as religion enters the picture, suddenly people can't think logically any more.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I think that it depends on what you mean by 'Muslims'. Strict Muslims, as we have seen on this forum, are very intolerant - it is essentially built into the religion if interpreted in a strict sense. The same would go for strict members of some other religions, but I'm not sure if they would be as bloodthirsty or savage as some of the former group. They probably are not as strict.