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imported_dna
Golden Member
Well, I guess it just a darn shame that we don't have a time machine to send all the wacko imams back to the past so they may learn about the true nature of Islam.
Also, I'm sure that being aware of how compassionate the koran is in comparison to the bible would've given all the 9/11, 3/11, and 7/7 victims a +5 shield boost which would have helped many more survive the blasts, shrapnel, or the skydiving without a parachute.
Darn ignorant victims!
Jaskalas
Lifer
I don?t care what we?ve done a thousand years ago, are you guys excusing the jihad today by exampling medieval genocide? I think you are, you?re making excuses for why genocide?s fine and dandy today. Go to hell, we don?t need you guys telling us we?re evil when its Islam this century that had declared that the world shall convert or die.
We?ve learned from our mistakes in the past thousand years, but you intend to protect those same ideals behind medieval genocide that Islam still clings onto and enacts throughout the world today. Your protecting them enables them to further kill millions.
We?ve learned from our mistakes in the past thousand years, but you intend to protect those same ideals behind medieval genocide that Islam still clings onto and enacts throughout the world today. Your protecting them enables them to further kill millions.
I mean really - did what I write fall on deaf ears?
I swear - those who are so opposed to Muslims are so polarized and crystallized in their view (whether it be dna or you or any other "wonderful" contribution in this thread about Muslims PEACEFULLY protesting) that NOTHING seems to change your opinions...
Wake up - beccause you draw absolutely false conclusions based on completely faulty evidence, because if Islam REALLY is about what you preach it is - Muslims WOULD be out to kill you. Then again - be careful sleeping , we may run into your house to steal any sisters or duaghters you may have so we can convert them 😛
I mean seriously guys...
blackllotus
Golden Member
I suggest you do more research. The ultimate goal of terrorist organizations like Al-Queda has nothing to do with massacring all non-muslims. They want to reform Islam. Muslims who practice "impure" forms of Islam are viewed much more negatively than a Christian who has never been exposed to Islam.
imported_dna
Golden Member
Having CAIR protesting anything hardly gives it any legitimacy; they've been yelling Islamophobia about everything, spreading the victim mentality.
Perhaps they should spend more time actually being moderate instead of seething over a crappy show on Fox.
2Xtreme21
Diamond Member
Wow. Yes, I'm sure as soon as someone becomes a Muslim, they have to put their left hand on the Quran, their right hand in the air, and swear "down with America."
Do you honestly think this way? You're taking the .1% of radical muslims in this world and basing your view on an entire religion on how they act. I mean, should we look at the KKK to determine how we judge Christianity?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that radical Islam wouldn't even exist if we didn't keep sticking our noses into places they don't belong. As far as I'm concerned, we were the basis of its creation.
palehorse
Lifer
The only accurate statement that can be made to describe ALL Muslims is this: Not enough of them are standing up and cleaning out the fanatical virus spreading through their own religion.
They need to start attacking the fanatical cancer themselves so that the West can withdraw completely, and go back to taking care of ourselves. As of right now, due to a lack of participation or action on their part, the West is forced to clean out Islam for them.
I personally wish this wasn't true... but it is.
so here we are.
They need to start attacking the fanatical cancer themselves so that the West can withdraw completely, and go back to taking care of ourselves. As of right now, due to a lack of participation or action on their part, the West is forced to clean out Islam for them.
I personally wish this wasn't true... but it is.
so here we are.
imported_dna
Golden Member
That's right -- blame the uncovered meat for being eaten by the cats.
Cogman
Lifer
There are 2 reasons this is getting press right now and people are saying anything about it.
1. We are in a Predominantly Muslim nation and so, the people that are killing our troops are Predominantly Muslim. And unfortunately for the friendly non-violent Muslims, they are very proud and vocal about being Muslim and how great Islam is. In general Islam is not bad.
2. They are protesting a TV Show, that is just dumb, people already have a negative view about Muslims and see them as dissidents that are willing to riot and kill at the tip of a hat. While this may be peaceful, if Muslims want to get a good name for themselves then the only thing they really can do is shut up and put up with minor injustices. (No they should not bend over if Muslims have to sit in the back of the bus or use separate toilets) But to riot over something sotrivial, again just stupid, it just preserves the publics misconceptions.
While I'm at it, shame on the media. Really because they report stuff like this, they raise intolerance. They may be free to do so but they certainly aren't helping anything.
1. We are in a Predominantly Muslim nation and so, the people that are killing our troops are Predominantly Muslim. And unfortunately for the friendly non-violent Muslims, they are very proud and vocal about being Muslim and how great Islam is. In general Islam is not bad.
2. They are protesting a TV Show, that is just dumb, people already have a negative view about Muslims and see them as dissidents that are willing to riot and kill at the tip of a hat. While this may be peaceful, if Muslims want to get a good name for themselves then the only thing they really can do is shut up and put up with minor injustices. (No they should not bend over if Muslims have to sit in the back of the bus or use separate toilets) But to riot over something sotrivial, again just stupid, it just preserves the publics misconceptions.
While I'm at it, shame on the media. Really because they report stuff like this, they raise intolerance. They may be free to do so but they certainly aren't helping anything.
Exactly how are they supposed to do that? I happen to agree that the only way to really eliminate radicals in a particular community is for the community to stand up, but that's often a lot easier said than done. Especially because while we might be doing that job for them, we are making very little effort to help them do it for themselves.
Imagine you're some random Muslim Abu Sixpack. You have a nice family and a decent job that, if not all that high paying, at least keeps food on the table. You happen to be a fairly moderate Muslim, but due to some rather unfortunate circumstances, you happen to share a religion with wide-eyed fanatics bent on killing everyone who they don't happen to like. But not just infidels, they also don't really appreciate their fellow Muslims who aren't fanatical enough, and in those cases especially they like to make "examples" of people.
Now are you really telling me that you expect Abu to "stand up" and fight against the extremists in his community? Maybe he'll eventually be pushed to that, but I think you dramatically underestimate the risks and dangers he'd face. No offense, but I don't think you could possibly understand the views of the average Muslim in the middle east. They aren't soldiers, they aren't trained and equipped by the most powerful country in the world, they don't have their peers backing them up, and they don't get to go home when the fighting is done. Maybe they should be doing something, but I don't think we can expect it to be easy...if we want them to do it, we need to help them. And quite frankly, I think we've done a crappy job of that so far.
Why don't the mythical moderate Muslims, the silent "majority," the "peaceful" Muslims lift up their voices and protest the extremist violent Muslims who lend themselves to being TV's heartless wrongdoers so easily?
Could it be that the "moderate" Muslims don't really want the extremists stopped, that they feel the extremists are a counterweight to the overbearing "Christian" West?
Could it be that the "moderate" Muslims don't really want the extremists stopped, that they feel the extremists are a counterweight to the overbearing "Christian" West?
One of the reasons I b|tch and complain about "extremists" all the time is that its clear some of you HAVE to have that; I feel if I try to be more vocal, that perhaps some WON'T say "Well Muslims never say anything!". Other than that I feel no more of a connection to the extremists and crazies than a catholic in California does to what goes in Ireland, or a Hindu in the North of India has for the Tamil Cause.
I mean seriously- these people, their actions so far off of my life! Because a Muslim goes out there and does something wrong , does it mean we all have to start complaining?
Even despite this, Plenty of people DO complain and say it is wrong! We simply ignore it. Hell, as much as I think CAIR is corrupt and is only good for Free Qurans, they are always the one running out saying down to terrorism, bla bla bla and whatever the average person wants to hear (yes before you direct me to your posts DNA I do read those, but find me an organization that ISN'T hippocritical like this and in the same field of work...)
Any comment from a "Bad Cleric" is announced and trumpted as if this is the gold standard, and anything else is ignored. Do you really think we are interested in showing the average speech given at a Friday Prayer? For every one turd preacher, do we pause to consider how many "regular" preachers there are? If even something like 10% are bad, that is still 10% that is actively trying to KILL US...it would be well over 100 million, yet I haven't been given a phone call to go out and kick some "non muslim" arse.
Even when something important, big AND worthy of news DOES occur - such as Many religious figures (including many Muslims) coming together on some interfaith type of corroboration (Alliance of Civilizations anyone?) , or a massive open letter to the Pope is released...you know what happens?
Its dismissed immediately at a 1/2 hearted attempt - especially on these forums no doubt!
We are damned if we do, we are damend in we don't.
And "we" are apparantly a group that is all homogenous and working with one another to quietly support the terrorists.
The problem is when you think we are quiet that it implies we accept these actions. That because we are silent, we are secretly rooting for extremists. There is a HUGE leap that must be made to make the assumption that silence implies acceptance.
You know where I think the real friction is coming from? It sure as hell isn't the "over bearing West" - if we want to look at the "Christian West" it has ALWAYS been very hostile to the "Muslim World" since day one ; Islam has GENERALLY (not always) been characterized as a demonic religion from the "West's" point of view and nothing really challenged that. So what is new?
We always talk about the "intolerant" Muslims - but the Muslim world had many Jews and Christians living there...too bad we cannot say the same for the "West". I can show you big pockets in the Mid East where other religious groups lived together - hey things may never be perfect but it was good enough to live; just like how the "west" has many killing, murders and death but that doesn't mean we say it is religious friction or sectarian violence. Part of that is human nature and trying to be better.
But there is a problem with the term "the west" and trying to speak in things of "the west" vs "the muslims"
The West is now getting many Muslims for the first time since the Moors. To be part of the "west" and be a "Muslim" is not in conflict at all - rather it IS becoming common. I started a singing class at the local community college for fun and out of the 30ish people, three others are Muslim. And like for anything that people are not used to...there is a backlash, and there will always be a backlash. And people who call out for the death of Muslims, people who run sites like Jihadwatch, or post a list of 100 things that are arbitrarily made up 😉 are part of that backlash.
So as Muslims spread around and integrate more...we'll realize through simple contact of others that they are not interested in killing you, that nothing in their book SAYS to kill you, that they are commanded to murder bla bla bla...
we'll realize they are simply people like you, and whether or not some idiot 1/2 way across the globe does something...you don't blame fellow Muslims for being at fault. And this is most likely why I post - to provide an example of simply ONE American Muslim figure in the USA; because if anything, the media did the best job at really pouding, pushing, and demonizing us so ANYTHING to help the situation works right now.
Of course I'm sure I'll see another fifty "but dem musslemens do nothing and say nuthing!"
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