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imported_dna
Golden Member
Are the double quotes supposed to imply that you are some sort of an authority on the subject?
The response to this thread is absolutely sickening for ONE reason - we talk about how the Muslims are all about rioting, and violence, and if I may use some examples:
And Zebo's long - nearly pointless post (I mean WTF "Obviously superior artistic acheivement"...where the hell do you get this from!)
shows one simple thing:
all of you talk as if American Muslims are rioting and killing when we have one little problem:
WE AREN'T.
All you have are people "voicing concern" and saying how they are worried about the "representation of their community".
Where the hell does riots come in to place? Where the hell do you expect a pattern of violence to break out? There is NO justifaction for that.
This is like assuming that UC Students are going to go into the streets to riot because AHHHnold recently taised UC tuitions for next year by about 7% by looking at the "youth" in frace that literally rioted over their government's decisions (although it was about being fired more easily IIRC) simply on the basis of "Well they are White Western People...of course we can assume they will riot!"
THAT is how ridiculous the argument of "Well Muslims in France rioted over some sh|t, and since we have muslims here, they are bound to do the same thing!"
The AMERICAN Muslim community has been doing pretty d*mned well, quite well thank you. We don't have a need to get up and violently protest, becuase we are part of the working and middle and upper class in America. This isn't France, where an obscene portion of the population is mired in poverty - we have jobs, we have lives, and we simply want to be able to live among people without having bul*sh|t tossed at us.
And if that involves protesting and voicing concerns over a show that portrays such an extremist and narrow view of Muslims...by all means we should be HAPPY and encouraging this!
Remember - over the last course of 100 years, Muslims/Arabs have been treated as the "evildoer" with near constancy; for every one show or movie that casts them in a good light you have about 20 casting them as evil incarnate.
Its not wrong, or even suprising that the community, which has been growing so much these past twenty years, wants to change that.
Of course I guess because everyone is wearing special "Islamophobic Glasses" - you see a group of muslims voicing concern as equal to Muslims with a hay-pick poking everyone in the arses and drinking the blood of babies for fun.
I haven't seen the show, and this is why I have not really commented on the episode - but rather the fact that you are all in arms that American Muslims are protesting. For a group of people who seem so hell bent on destruction its amazing how we somehow still want to be doctors to treat people, scientists to research things, lawyers (well they are the 'traitors' 😉 j/k) to do...whatever lawyers does. We are also the people who might run that local gas station and even (*GASP* yes I know!) sell plenty of alcohol despite not drinking it themselves. We are everywhere in society, so when Muslims complain about a narrow viewpoint that doesn't even come close to representing the community we live in...I think they have to right to complain about it as they see it;
its not like they are blowing up nuclear bombs you know.
Hell - any realistic attempt at detonating a nuclear bomb in a LA Suburb would most likely kill quite a few muslims IN THAT area!
Wake up people - some muslims are protesting, the way we have done for a long time since 9/11 and a lot of the crap that Muslims have had to deal with since then. That doesn't mean we do not have the right to do it, and it in NO WAY means that when we voice our concern it is equivalent to the tard in Chechnya who takes children for hostage.
And Zebo's long - nearly pointless post (I mean WTF "Obviously superior artistic acheivement"...where the hell do you get this from!)
shows one simple thing:
all of you talk as if American Muslims are rioting and killing when we have one little problem:
WE AREN'T.
All you have are people "voicing concern" and saying how they are worried about the "representation of their community".
Where the hell does riots come in to place? Where the hell do you expect a pattern of violence to break out? There is NO justifaction for that.
This is like assuming that UC Students are going to go into the streets to riot because AHHHnold recently taised UC tuitions for next year by about 7% by looking at the "youth" in frace that literally rioted over their government's decisions (although it was about being fired more easily IIRC) simply on the basis of "Well they are White Western People...of course we can assume they will riot!"
THAT is how ridiculous the argument of "Well Muslims in France rioted over some sh|t, and since we have muslims here, they are bound to do the same thing!"
The AMERICAN Muslim community has been doing pretty d*mned well, quite well thank you. We don't have a need to get up and violently protest, becuase we are part of the working and middle and upper class in America. This isn't France, where an obscene portion of the population is mired in poverty - we have jobs, we have lives, and we simply want to be able to live among people without having bul*sh|t tossed at us.
And if that involves protesting and voicing concerns over a show that portrays such an extremist and narrow view of Muslims...by all means we should be HAPPY and encouraging this!
Remember - over the last course of 100 years, Muslims/Arabs have been treated as the "evildoer" with near constancy; for every one show or movie that casts them in a good light you have about 20 casting them as evil incarnate.
Its not wrong, or even suprising that the community, which has been growing so much these past twenty years, wants to change that.
Of course I guess because everyone is wearing special "Islamophobic Glasses" - you see a group of muslims voicing concern as equal to Muslims with a hay-pick poking everyone in the arses and drinking the blood of babies for fun.
I haven't seen the show, and this is why I have not really commented on the episode - but rather the fact that you are all in arms that American Muslims are protesting. For a group of people who seem so hell bent on destruction its amazing how we somehow still want to be doctors to treat people, scientists to research things, lawyers (well they are the 'traitors' 😉 j/k) to do...whatever lawyers does. We are also the people who might run that local gas station and even (*GASP* yes I know!) sell plenty of alcohol despite not drinking it themselves. We are everywhere in society, so when Muslims complain about a narrow viewpoint that doesn't even come close to representing the community we live in...I think they have to right to complain about it as they see it;
its not like they are blowing up nuclear bombs you know.
Hell - any realistic attempt at detonating a nuclear bomb in a LA Suburb would most likely kill quite a few muslims IN THAT area!
Wake up people - some muslims are protesting, the way we have done for a long time since 9/11 and a lot of the crap that Muslims have had to deal with since then. That doesn't mean we do not have the right to do it, and it in NO WAY means that when we voice our concern it is equivalent to the tard in Chechnya who takes children for hostage.
imported_dna
Golden Member
XMan
Lifer
Eh . . . huh?
9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
9:30 And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!
9:31 They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One God. There is no God save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!
9:32 Fain would they put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah disdaineth (aught) save that He shall perfect His light, however much the disbelievers are averse.
9:33 He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.
Yup, Islam is a bastion of tolerance. :roll:
Are you reading the same thread I am? Hell, the post directly above your's expresses hatred for all of Islam, if not Muslims in particular (although that seems pretty implied). And that opinion is by no means limited to Genx. How many times have I heard some loudmouth suggest that "the problems with Islam" are the fault of every Muslim, moderate and otherwise? No offense, but if I was moderate Muslim who had never participated in or supported any terrorist activities, I wouldn't feel particularly friendly to you jokers either.
Ever read the Bible? It's just as bad, which isn't surprising considering the common roots of Islam and Christianity. The thing is, it's all about how you interpret it. There's a lot of horrible stuff in the Bible, but most Christians decided that it's a bunch of medieval bullshit and they ignore it. The number of Muslims who do the same thing with their religion is, unfortunately, somewhat lower.
But I would like to point out that Islam, and Islam alone among Western religions, contains passages in its holy book specifically supporting tolerance of other religious beliefs. Needless to say, it's contradicted by a lot of the rest of the book..but the Bible doesn't even make an attempt at seeming tolerant.
2Xtreme21
Diamond Member
Yup.
By comparison, throughout history, when the Christians conquered you, you converted, were expelled from your homes, or you were put to death. (See: Crusades, Spain c. 1492, Greece c. 1820). That simple.
What's funny is that many Jews and others persecuted for their religious beliefs by the Christians jumped to the Ottoman Empire for refuge. Under the Islamic law structure, there were/are special provisions to allow for non-persecution of non-Muslims living in their territory. In fact, how do you think the Eastern Greek Orthodox religion manifested so well given that the people who practiced it were under Turkish rule for 450 years? I don't think it was because those "savage Muslims killed every last non Muslim believer"... ya know, like the Christians have done throughout history.
Oh well, ignorance is bliss though, right?
http://www.kuftaro.org/english/WOT/Islam_and_Religious_Tolerance.htm
2Xtreme21
Diamond Member
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