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Muslim woman discriminated against on plane

GarfieldtheCat

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/30/us/united-flight-muslim-chaplain/index.html

Assuming this is all true (no reports have come out disputing it that I have seen) a flight attendant wouldn't give a Muslim woman an unopened can of coke, saying it could be used as a weapon. This was right after she gave a white man an unopened can of beer.

Then another passenger cursed her out:

A man sitting across the aisle turned to her and yelled, "You Muslim, you need to shut the f--- up," she said.
"What?"
The man leaned over, looked her in the eyes and said: "Yes, you know you would use it as a weapon. So shut the f--- up," according to Ahmad.

First off, in what bizzaro world is an unopened can of soda considered a weapon?

Second, nice to see we still have bigotry in the US....maybe the GOP should address this, they claim to be against religious discrimination (LOL, who are they kidding, they only support Christians and gladly discriminate against everyone else)
 
I find this behavior is normal among some circles. There is a general distrust of Muslims and absolute zero movement towards correcting those fears. We cry out about this behavior, but do little else.

We need to be more proactive at analyzing and addressing the root causes. We need to work with Muslims to build trust and place weight behind a peaceful coexistence. A balance against both the messaging (the nightly news casts of violence) and extremist groups.

Converts to Islam need to be drawn in by something other than violent ideas. Musims and Americans both need to look at violence and see a terrorist, not a Muslim. Otherwise it's all too common or easy for folks to see a head scarf and relate that to ISIS or any number of frightening groups out there.

Sometimes a loser is just a loser.

If you want to discuss a greater issue of American distrust of Muslims, which is entirely responsible for unhinged people being afraid and wanting to take matters into their own hands, then by all means... let's discuss why Americans are afraid of Muslims.

1: September 11th.
2: No visible outreach or union against terror.
3: Which Muslim majority country has a stable functioning democracy with comparable humans rights to America or Europe? If their countries are not seen as achieving the same basic level of human rights as us then their presence is seen as a threat to regress back to more medieval forms of law.

It boils down to foreign origin, global violence, and ZERO communication. It's not necessarily on them, cause I don't think we are doing our part to ensure a peaceful and civil resolution of those standing issues. We react to crazies by locking them away, but we don't even come close to proactively keeping the peace.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/30/us/united-flight-muslim-chaplain/index.html

Assuming this is all true (no reports have come out disputing it that I have seen) a flight attendant wouldn't give a Muslim woman an unopened can of coke, saying it could be used as a weapon. This was right after she gave a white man an unopened can of beer.

Then another passenger cursed her out:



First off, in what bizzaro world is an unopened can of soda considered a weapon?

Second, nice to see we still have bigotry in the US....maybe the GOP should address this, they claim to be against religious discrimination (LOL, who are they kidding, they only support Christians and gladly discriminate against everyone else)
You seriously think the GOP supports selective religious discrimination? What made you turn this into a right vs. left argument?
 
A can can be wielded like a brick. It isn't the weapon claim that is ridiculous, it's the unequal application of the rule.
 
Considering Muslims vote for neither Liberalism nor Conversativism but Sharia and total destruction of anything not Islam (aka ISIS), you can't avoid this subject. It's scary and "all brown" people get victimized as a result. Just look at the Wisconsin Sikh Temple shooting.

It would be easier if they had leaders denouncing terrorist acts but you don't.. all that's in the media (other than fox news) is ISIS beheadings and bombings and guys running at cops with an axe or your new flavor of the week. There is no effort for a "teachable moment" anymore, not by muslims, and not by non-muslims.. it's like the 5th crusade of the 21st century is on.
 
Considering Muslims vote for neither Liberalism nor Conversativism but Sharia and total destruction of anything not Islam (aka ISIS), you can't avoid this subject. It's scary and "all brown" people get victimized as a result. Just look at the Wisconsin Sikh Temple shooting.

It would be easier if they had leaders denouncing terrorist acts but you don't.. all that's in the media (other than fox news) is ISIS beheadings and bombings and guys running at cops with an axe or your new flavor of the week. There is no effort for a "teachable moment" anymore, not by muslims, and not by non-muslims.. it's like the 5th crusade of the 21st century is on.
Taking after Finglobes?
 
I find this behavior is normal among some circles. There is a general distrust of Muslims and absolute zero movement towards correcting those fears. We cry out about this behavior, but do little else.

We need to be more proactive at analyzing and addressing the root causes. We need to work with Muslims to build trust and place weight behind a peaceful coexistence. A balance against both the messaging (the nightly news casts of violence) and extremist groups.

Converts to Islam need to be drawn in by something other than violent ideas. Musims and Americans both need to look at violence and see a terrorist, not a Muslim. Otherwise it's all too common or easy for folks to see a head scarf and relate that to ISIS or any number of frightening groups out there.

The US defiantly needs to start educating a lot of it's folks on peaceful coexistence with Muslims

Sometimes a loser is just a loser.

If you want to discuss a greater issue of American distrust of Muslims, which is entirely responsible for unhinged people being afraid and wanting to take matters into their own hands, then by all means... let's discuss why Americans are afraid of Muslims.

1: September 11th.
2: No visible outreach or union against terror.
3: Which Muslim majority country has a stable functioning democracy with comparable humans rights to America or Europe? If their countries are not seen as achieving the same basic level of human rights as us then their presence is seen as a threat to regress back to more medieval forms of law.

It boils down to foreign origin, global violence, and ZERO communication. It's not necessarily on them, cause I don't think we are doing our part to ensure a peaceful and civil resolution of those standing issues. We react to crazies by locking them away, but we don't even come close to proactively keeping the peace.

1. 911 was 19 terrorists
2. Billions of Muslims are against terrorism
3. Until the US brings its human rights record up to par, and its violence down to the rest of the western world maybe we should put it in its own separate category

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_States
 
It's possible that they were running low on diet Coke, but not beer, which you probably have to buy, given it's United. So I don't necessarily blame the airline, but the supposed racist dumbass white passenger who took it to the next level.
 
It would be easier if they had leaders denouncing terrorist acts but you don't.. all that's in the media (other than fox news) is ISIS beheadings and bombings and guys running at cops with an axe or your new flavor of the week. There is no effort for a "teachable moment" anymore, not by muslims, and not by non-muslims.. it's like the 5th crusade of the 21st century is on.

That must be a problem with your media
Outside of the US it's very common to see leaders denouncing terror attacks
By a very large ratio, more Muslims combat terror
 
It;s not just about kosher stuff on the plane but stuff at the hospitals as well.
One of the dutie of a nurse is to prep the needle right before so that you know the needle is brand new.

One nurse who was not white came into my room with a needle already prepped up and I told her NO way in hell are you sticking that in me until I see you prep a new needle!
She could have done anything to that needle to make it unclean.

The muslim woman is correct. Also certain fast food joints are kosher but not all of the same ones are. Some Mcdonalds are kosher because they do not hide the cooking from your eyes. If they do then do not eat there. No cooking area should be shielded from view. So yeah thats means OUTBACK is not kosher. It is fun to watch people cook anyway.

I miss the good ole days when Dunkin Doughnuts had a bakers window for the customers. They do not do that anymore so I do not shop there anymore.

COSTCO has their BEEF prep area wide open so you can look in. So does Giant foods and many Safeway stores.

The coke they bring you preopened could have been open for 45 minutes. That is not good.
 
The only reason why Muslims are not as a group completely terrible is because the vast majority choose to ignore the violent and brutal parts of the Quran. That's the good news.

The bad news is that the Quran can never be upgraded and some people think it's the literal word of God as told by the Prophet. There are always hardcore fundamentalists in every religion but Islam is by far the worst as they literally believe the Quran word for word, and those moron fundamentalists can thus be used as weapons by warmongers.

It's like, imagine that the world has several major and minor mobile phone OSes: Blackberry, iOS, Android, Windows, Symbian, Firefox OS, WebOS, etc. Now imagine that one of them (say, WebOS) can never legally (under the WebOS license) be upgraded from version 1.0 and that 1.0 was written 1400 years ago. That's Islam.

Sure, people can and have "forked" from the original 1.0, but there is a hardcore, militant group that believes that 1.0 should always remain "pure" and that any attempt to change it is a blasphemous "innovation" to be met with violence. So they attack anyone who tries to fork from 1.0, and also try to convert users from other operating systems.

Back to OP: If true, it's not a good thing to discriminate against Muslims in this way. It just stirs resentment and is not persuasive at getting people to drop WebOS. However, http://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim should be required reading for any would-be converts to Islam. Also, people who argue that "most Muslims don't REALLY believe ____" should read: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/ For instance, look at the % of Muslims polled who think that leaving Islam should be met with the death penalty. And the Pew poll didn't even survey the more hardcore places like Saudi Arabia, which would have even higher %.

For the record I believe most Muslims are good people, but DESPITE their cult (it is a cult of personality, let's be real here, the whole Mohammed-can-do-no-wrong-and-represents-the-word-of-God-and-his-Quran-is-the-infallible-and-literal-word-of-God thing is exactly like a cult), not BECAUSE of it. And even the "good" parts of the Islam are mostly stolen from the predecessor Abrahamic religions.



I find this behavior is normal among some circles. There is a general distrust of Muslims and absolute zero movement towards correcting those fears. We cry out about this behavior, but do little else.

We need to be more proactive at analyzing and addressing the root causes. We need to work with Muslims to build trust and place weight behind a peaceful coexistence. A balance against both the messaging (the nightly news casts of violence) and extremist groups.

Converts to Islam need to be drawn in by something other than violent ideas. Musims and Americans both need to look at violence and see a terrorist, not a Muslim. Otherwise it's all too common or easy for folks to see a head scarf and relate that to ISIS or any number of frightening groups out there.
 
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Considering Muslims vote for neither Liberalism nor Conversativism but Sharia and total destruction of anything not Islam (aka ISIS), you can't avoid this subject. It's scary and "all brown" people get victimized as a result. Just look at the Wisconsin Sikh Temple shooting.

It would be easier if they had leaders denouncing terrorist acts but you don't.. all that's in the media (other than fox news) is ISIS beheadings and bombings and guys running at cops with an axe or your new flavor of the week. There is no effort for a "teachable moment" anymore, not by muslims, and not by non-muslims.. it's like the 5th crusade of the 21st century is on.

Obviously you don't know any Muslims as most do not want to live under Sharia law. Same with wanting the total destruction of anything not Islam, most Muslims care about doing what it takes to provide for their families/future and being in conflicts with others would be doing exactly the opposite.
 
The only reason why Christians and Jews are not as a group completely terrible is because the vast majority choose to ignore the violent and brutal parts of the Bible. That's the good news.

The bad news is that the Bible can never be upgraded and some people think it's the literal word of God ...
Yeah, it's pretty sad.
 
I read this briefly. While I know there are a bunch of ass hats out there I'd really like to hear both sides of the argument. Seems like many instances similar to this are simply two people who are looking for a fight that found each other.
 
Yeah, it's pretty sad.

Go look at polls, there are a minority of Christians who (incorrectly) think the Bible is the literal word of God, but there are a LOT more Muslims who think the Quran is the literal word of God and believe things like killing people just for leaving their cult: %Muslims who believe in executing those who leave Islam: 76% (S. Asia), 56% (Middle East/N. Africa), 27% (SE Asia), 16% (Central Asia), 13% (SE Europe). Find me percentages of Jews or Christians who believe in killing anyone who leaves--can you find ANY place on earth where the percentage is even 13%, let alone 76%? http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

The Quran also has a lot more of a "us vs them" mentality, as you would expect from a cult that ripped off a lot of stuff from other religions, yet sought to distinguish itself from them.

So you can save your bullshit false equivalency snark. (For those who aren't following the thread, dank69 misquoted me, substituting Bible for Quran and Christians/Jews for Muslims.) I'm not a fan of any organized religion but that doesn't mean I'm blind to their differences. Once again: Find me percentages of Jews or Christians who believe in killing anyone who leaves--can you find ANY place on earth where the percentage is even 13%, let alone 76%?
 
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For the record I believe most Christians are good people, but DESPITE their cult (it is a cult of personality, let's be real here, the whole Jesus-can-do-no-wrong-and-represents-the-word-of-God-and-his-Bible-is-the-infallible-and-literal-word-of-God thing is exactly like a cult), not BECAUSE of it.



It works this way, too.
 
I have my issues with the article and what they claim happened.

I have flown a bunch. I have NEVER gotten a Can of anything. they open it and give me 1/3 of it. I have never got a can let alone a full one.

shrug maybe its the flights i been on. but on both short and long flights it never happens.

also the argument that it could be used as a weapon i bad. really bad.
 
Go look at polls, there are a minority of Christians who (incorrectly) think the Bible is the literal word of God, but there are a LOT more Muslims who think the Quran is the literal word of God and believe things like killing people just for leaving their cult: %Muslims who believe in executing those who leave Islam: 76% (S. Asia), 56% (Middle East/N. Africa), 27% (SE Asia), 16% (Central Asia), 13% (SE Europe). Find me percentages of Jews or Christians who believe in killing anyone who leaves--can you find ANY place on earth where the percentage is even 13%, let alone 76%? http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

The Quran also has a lot more of a "us vs them" mentality, as you would expect from a cult that ripped off a lot of stuff from other religions, yet sought to distinguish itself from them.

So you can save your bullshit false equivalency snark. (For those who aren't following the thread, dank69 misquoted me, substituting Bible for Quran and Christians/Jews for Muslims.) I'm not a fan of any organized religion but that doesn't mean I'm blind to their differences. Once again: Find me percentages of Jews or Christians who believe in killing anyone who leaves--can you find ANY place on earth where the percentage is even 13%, let alone 76%?

I can't find the polls on Christian and Judaism apostasy, do you have them?
Did they poll the third world countries too?
 
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I have my issues with the article and what they claim happened.

I have flown a bunch. I have NEVER gotten a Can of anything. they open it and give me 1/3 of it. I have never got a can let alone a full one.

shrug maybe its the flights i been on. but on both short and long flights it never happens.

also the argument that it could be used as a weapon i bad. really bad.
I've gotten the whole can many times, sometimes without even asking on the less full flights. I usually ask now for the whole can and have never been refused.
 
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