How? I was just saying that Indonesia was the largest Muslim nation hit and they need AID so that should say something about the Muslim nations being able to help.
If the largest economy in the Muslim world needs help then you know it is going to be difficult for the other Muslim nations to help.
He's bringing up religion because he's claiming that these governments collect taxes through a requirement in Islam where the proceeds of these taxes are supposed to go to the most needy Muslims.
My thread topic says : Muslim Nations
From the start I brought religion into it. What is your point? I'm not arguing about the U.S AID. I am talking about Muslim nations helping out other Muslim nations based on the fact that they "should" according to the laws of their religion.
heh, its sad aint it. Egypt is a tyranny that we support with open arms, great double standard.
there are rumors that Mubarak wants his son to succeed him
(democracy at work)
Originally posted by: raildogg
heh, its sad aint it. Egypt is a tyranny that we support with open arms, great double standard.
there are rumors that Mubarak wants his son to succeed him
(democracy at work)
Yes, but Egypt has their act together. They have kept out extremist from getting power in the government. Mubarak is a strong man, but he is at peace with Israel/U.S.
We cannot send arms to Israel and have the region be our friends if we don't supply Arabs with arms as well. There may be a time when Israel/Arab nations get a leader that will do the region harm. Right now they all have their acts together.
Arab nations love U.S weapons. UAE just ordered a handful of F-16s I believe. These F-16s are better than the ones the U.S has I read.
The first order for 80 F-16 Block 60, which has been designated the F-16E/F version, was received from the air Force of the United Arab Emirates (UAE) in early 2000. First production deliveries of the UAE aircraft are slated for April 2004. The F-16E/F resembles earlier F-16 aircraft in appearance only. Internally, the new model has an all-new cockpit that features all-digital instruments and three 5x7-inch color displays, HUD and helmet mounted sight and display. Additionally, the F-16E/F features a new avionics suite with highlights including a revolutionary Electronic Warfare (EW) system, the new APG-80 Agile Beam Radar (ABR) and a new Integrated FLIR Targeting System (IFTS), all provided by Northrop Grumman.
The aircraft is powered by a General Electric F110-GE-132 engine that produces 32,500 pounds of thrust. The new engine was flight tested on modified USAF F-16C at the Air Force Flight Test Center, Edwards Air Force Base, Calif. The new engine version features ?blisks? (bladed-disks) in the three-stage modular fan section in lieu of traditional blades to improve performance and maintainability. The engine also incorporates an enhanced durability radial augmentor (afterburner) and exhaust nozzle, plus control software modifications to optimize engine performance at all flight conditions. The Block 60 aircraft and engine also will feature an auto-throttle capability.
So where does it exactly say that it's better than the ones that US uses? I was under the assumption that the US also does not give all the capabilities when it sells aircraft to other countries.
Well how many of these upgraded F-16s does the U.S have in their inventory? This is an upgraded F-16s that only UAE has right now. The U.S can choose to hold back on certain arms from certain countries, but it has been very generous to Arab nations and Israel. If they were to hold back on certain parts, I'm sure they could turn to European or Russian planes instead.
The U.S can buy these planes if it wants, but it doesn't need them in its current inventory.
keep in mind you can only upgrade an old plane so much.
The rest of UAE's airforce if anyone cares:
Abu Dhabi / UAE was the launch customer, ordering 32 new-build aircraft, including 20 single-seaters as the "Mirage 2000-9" and 12 two-seaters as the "Mirage 2000-9D". These featured a classified countermeasures system designated "IMEWS" comparable to ICMS 3. Initial deliveries of the UAE Mirages were in the spring of 2003. 30 of Abu Dhabi's older Mirage 2000s will also be upgraded to Mirage 2000-9 capability.
The UAE Mirage 2000-9s are well-equipped for the strike mission, since they are being provided with the "Shehab" laser targeting pod, a variant of the Damocles, and the Nahar navigation pod, complementing the air-to-ground modes of the RDY-2 radar. The UAE is also obtaining the "Black Shahin" cruise missile, which is basically a variant of the Storm Shadow missile. No doubt Armée de l'Air(French Air Force) pilots are a bit irritated that the UAE is operating Mirage 2000s well in advance of their own mounts.
-22 Mirage 2000EAD single-seat multirole fighter
-8 Mirage 2000RAD unique reconnaissance variant
-6 Mirage 2000DAD two-seat multirole fighter
-20 Mirage 2000-9 single-seat multirole fighter
-12 Mirage 2000-9D two-seat multirole fighter
Abu Dhabi / UAE was the launch customer, ordering 32 new-build aircraft, including 20 single-seaters as the "Mirage 2000-9" and 12 two-seaters as the "Mirage 2000-9D". These featured a classified countermeasures system designated "IMEWS" comparable to ICMS 3. Initial deliveries of the UAE Mirages were in the spring of 2003. 30 of Abu Dhabi's older Mirage 2000s will also be upgraded to Mirage 2000-9 capability.
The UAE Mirage 2000-9s are well-equipped for the strike mission, since they are being provided with the "Shehab" laser targeting pod, a variant of the Damocles, and the Nahar navigation pod, complementing the air-to-ground modes of the RDY-2 radar. The UAE is also obtaining the "Black Shahin" cruise missile, which is basically a variant of the Storm Shadow missile. No doubt Armée de l'Air(French Air Force) pilots are a bit irritated that the UAE is operating Mirage 2000s well in advance of their own mounts.
-22 Mirage 2000EAD single-seat multirole fighter
-8 Mirage 2000RAD unique reconnaissance variant
-6 Mirage 2000DAD two-seat multirole fighter
-20 Mirage 2000-9 single-seat multirole fighter
-12 Mirage 2000-9D two-seat multirole fighter
I just find it a little difficult to believe that the US would sell equipment to another country that is better than anything that it has.
So far you haven't provided anything that backs upyour statement.
It's an upgaded F-16. It is better than the current F-16s in the U.S airforce. How does that not back up my statement? The U.S also made a special F-16 (F-15? F-16?) for India that is very advanced.
It isn't better than what the U.S has. We have it. We just choose not to purchase it. If we wanted it we could easily order it. The F-16 is not our flagship in the sky.
Russia has the Su-37, but they have no money to purchase it. China is working on a deal to purchase the Su-37s from Russia which is IMO the best aircraft ever, and the best aircraft Russia has.
For the U.S to get rid of all their F-16s and replace them with the newer versions would be a total waste of money.
I'm stating that I don't think that they would give them all of the weapons and other advanced packages. You may very well be correct, but I would like to see some actual proof instead of your opinion.
Maybe you're right. However, the ones Lockhead Martin demonstrated that had the advanced weapons, radar jamming etc, were labeled with a UAE flag on the tail of the F-16. I have yet to see a picture of the F-16E/F without the UAE flag on it. Without these upgrades this plane would be just like an ordinary F-16. The UAE pilots are trained in AZ if that means anything at all.
Here are the weapons the UAE purchased for this aircraft:
The UAE purchased USD $2 billion in sophisticated aircraft armament for its F-16s, including 491 AIM-120B AMRAAM Missiles, 267 AIM-9M Sidewinder, 163 AGM-88 Harm, 1,163 AGM-65D/G Maverick, 52 AGM-84 Harpoon, laser guided bombs, 20mm ammunition and other weaponry.
rofl India has no F-16's.
Maybe your confusing the F-16's to the Russian SU-30 MKI, which is specifically made for India. lol
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